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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jun 4, 2020 6:48:25 GMT -5
A lot of freshmen and only so many minutes to go around.
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calhoya
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Post by calhoya on Jun 4, 2020 7:23:32 GMT -5
My prediction is that by the end of the season we will know all we need to know about Ewing, the coach, and his abilities to lift this program back to respectability. Lineups and minutes are not as important as the challenge that Ewing and his coaches have taken on by filling the team with mostly unheralded and hopefully underrated kids that appear to meet the profile of high IQ, high effort players. If Ewing can do with them what he appeared to be doing with the team before the loss of Yurtseven and McClung, there should be no doubts as to the upside/direction of the coach and the program. If not, well then you have to seriously question either the coaching upside or the recruiting decisions. Not looking for a Final Four team but just significant progress with an unselfish team that shows the skills necessary to compete for the Top echelon of the BE on an annual basis--as they did for many years.
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madgesiq92
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Post by madgesiq92 on Jun 4, 2020 8:16:49 GMT -5
One thing to watch is that the team played much better and more consistently once Ewing shortened the lineup this year. The larger lineup had chaotic substitution patterns and wildly inconsistent play.
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calhoya
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Post by calhoya on Jun 4, 2020 8:35:15 GMT -5
One thing to watch is that the team played much better and consistently once Ewing shortened the lineup this year. The larger lineup had chaotic substitution patterns and wildly inconsistent play. I agree it was a hot mess but I think that is not necessarily a function of playing a larger line-up but rather who the coach was putting on the floor and the selfish/ego issues that arose. So much of what went wrong last year at the beginning of the season can be attributed to the Akinjo/McClung dynamic, the limited use of LeBlanc, integrating Yurtseven into the lineup as a very different type of post than Govan and simply not having a pass-first PG. Not trying to excuse Ewing because I think much of that chaos was based on poor decisions by him in terms of recruiting and player use, but I hope that the Hoyas continue to try and play a longer rotation and the uptempo aggressive game on both ends that we only had a glimpse of last year.
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Post by vv83 on Jun 4, 2020 9:17:05 GMT -5
It seemed pretty clear at the start of last season that Ewing wanted to play a lot of pressure defense along with the already fast paced offense, and use a deep rotation to wear teams down. It did not work last season for all kinds of reasons. But looking at the way he is recruiting - I think it is fairly likely that we'll see a 9-10 player rotation with lots of pressure D. I think we'll see a lot of guys playing in the 15-20 minute per game range, with maybe one or two players that emerge as our best players getting up around the 30 minute mark, and a couple of guys sitting around the 10 minute mark.
Maybe I'm wrong, and Ewing learned from last season that a rotation of 7/8 players is the best way to go. But we should not be surprised if we see a deep rotation coupled with a lot of high pressure defense when the season starts.
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Post by bornhoya on Jun 4, 2020 12:22:42 GMT -5
With the last open scholarship filled (as of now), here’s my initial guess at starters/rotation (I’ll leave minutes out for now): Lineup: G: J Harris, Blair W: Bile, Pickett B: Wahab Bench: Sibley, Beard, Ighoefe, Clark Spot minutes: D Harris, Wilson Redshirt: Berger, Holloway If Sibley comes in ready rebound/play D, I can also see him claiming the starting spot and having Bile be the experienced bench guy. I think the best battle is going to be the Bile,Sibley, Beard battle for the starting lineup and the Clark, Harris matchup for rotation
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Post by bornhoya on Jun 4, 2020 12:23:37 GMT -5
I'm very curious to see how the backup guard minutes play out. - Can Beard be the backup PG or is he more suited to be an off-guard at this point? Long term I think he'll have the handles but not sure if that's Day 1 - Can D. Harris and Beard be backcourt together? It just feels like too small a backcourt for Big East play and even smaller than the Akinjo / Mac combo It might open up a chance for Berger to actually get more minutes than D. Harris given his size and both will provide value as floor spacers hopefully. Aren’t Beard and Harris both 6’3”
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jun 4, 2020 13:03:55 GMT -5
I hope to goodness that we are playing a rotation of more than seven or eight with this young squad.
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hoya73
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Post by hoya73 on Jun 4, 2020 13:24:32 GMT -5
I'm very curious to see how the backup guard minutes play out. - Can Beard be the backup PG or is he more suited to be an off-guard at this point? Long term I think he'll have the handles but not sure if that's Day 1 - Can D. Harris and Beard be backcourt together? It just feels like too small a backcourt for Big East play and even smaller than the Akinjo / Mac combo It might open up a chance for Berger to actually get more minutes than D. Harris given his size and both will provide value as floor spacers hopefully. Aren’t Beard and Harris both 6’3” Dante Harris is about 5'10" The Harris from Arkansas grad transfer is6'3"
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rhw485
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Post by rhw485 on Jun 4, 2020 13:27:56 GMT -5
I'm very curious to see how the backup guard minutes play out. - Can Beard be the backup PG or is he more suited to be an off-guard at this point? Long term I think he'll have the handles but not sure if that's Day 1 - Can D. Harris and Beard be backcourt together? It just feels like too small a backcourt for Big East play and even smaller than the Akinjo / Mac combo It might open up a chance for Berger to actually get more minutes than D. Harris given his size and both will provide value as floor spacers hopefully. Aren’t Beard and Harris both 6’3” I was referring to Dante Harris, who's listed at 5'10. Rivals lists Tyler Beard at 6'1, although that could definitely be wrong.
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dense
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Post by dense on Jun 4, 2020 15:03:54 GMT -5
Aren’t Beard and Harris both 6’3” I was referring to Dante Harris, who's listed at 5'10. Rivals lists Tyler Beard at 6'1, although that could definitely be wrong. He looks 6'2 to 6'3.
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Post by wolveribe on Jun 5, 2020 14:21:33 GMT -5
It may change as the season goes along due to freshman developing....but to start:
J. Harris Blair Pickett Bile Wahab
I think that is pretty clear. Would be very shocked if thats not the case. While, Blair is the ideal microwave off the bench, it's not the worst starting lineup by any means. I expect signficant growth from Pickett and Wahab. Harris is steady. Bile is a solid player.
Sibley is probably the bench player that will play the most minutes. Ighoefe/Wilson combine for about 15 mins per game as the backup center. I think Harris will be the primary backup point guard. Beard/Clark probably play inconsistent minuts.
At this point, I don't expect Hollaway or Berger to play many minutes....maybe redshirt.
The bench is rididuled with freshman/inexperience. Thats the biggest problem right now.
However, if Ewing can develop these young guys, it will be a tough, hard nosed defensive squad in a couple years with a couple guys that can actually shoot.
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dense
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Post by dense on Jun 6, 2020 0:07:33 GMT -5
It may change as the season goes along due to freshman developing....but to start: J. Harris Blair Pickett Bile Wahab I think that is pretty clear. Would be very shocked if thats not the case. While, Blair is the ideal microwave off the bench, it's not the worst starting lineup by any means. I expect signficant growth from Pickett and Wahab. Harris is steady. Bile is a solid player. Sibley is probably the bench player that will play the most minutes. Ighoefe/Wilson combine for about 15 mins per game as the backup center. I think Harris will be the primary backup point guard. Beard/Clark probably play inconsistent minuts. At this point, I don't expect Hollaway or Berger to play many minutes....maybe redshirt. The bench is rididuled with freshman/inexperience. Thats the biggest problem right now. However, if Ewing can develop these young guys, it will be a tough, hard nosed defensive squad in a couple years with a couple guys that can actually shoot. Beard will play alot of minutes and if I was guessing will play the most of the freshmen.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jun 6, 2020 10:45:35 GMT -5
It may change as the season goes along due to freshman developing....but to start: J. Harris Blair Pickett Bile Wahab I think that is pretty clear. Would be very shocked if thats not the case. While, Blair is the ideal microwave off the bench, it's not the worst starting lineup by any means. I expect signficant growth from Pickett and Wahab. Harris is steady. Bile is a solid player. Sibley is probably the bench player that will play the most minutes. Ighoefe/Wilson combine for about 15 mins per game as the backup center. I think Harris will be the primary backup point guard. Beard/Clark probably play inconsistent minuts. At this point, I don't expect Hollaway or Berger to play many minutes....maybe redshirt. The bench is rididuled with freshman/inexperience. Thats the biggest problem right now. However, if Ewing can develop these young guys, it will be a tough, hard nosed defensive squad in a couple years with a couple guys that can actually shoot. I agree with this projection in general but expect Beard to play a good bit, and I expect Clark to see the court as well.
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Post by jctnhoya4ever on Jun 15, 2020 9:27:53 GMT -5
Dante Harris should be starting point guard with Jalen Harris and beard back up maybee Blair at 2 guard with alien and beard there to. If Ewing isn’t starting Dante Harris at point he doesn’t know talent . It’s a no brainer easily the best point guard on the roster easily I will say he just may be the best player on the team. You can’t teach talent you let them make plays and play.like I said Akinjo ain’t have as good as this kid. Go Hoyas.
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Post by wilknow on Jun 15, 2020 18:57:54 GMT -5
J. Harris..pg D. Blair sg Q Wahab c J. Pickett F M. CIsse F.
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Post by mdtd on Jun 15, 2020 19:30:44 GMT -5
J. Harris..pg D. Blair sg Q Wahab c J. Pickett F M. CIsse F. Pretty bold to have DeJuan Blair, Moussa Cisse, and Qudus Wahab on starting, imo. But, I don't think a single team in the country could handle that inside play. In all seriousness, I think it's pretty bold to put Cisse on this list when we don't, as of now, have an open scholarship and he's been an LSU lean for months.
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Post by wilknow on Jun 16, 2020 12:38:38 GMT -5
J. Harris..pg D. Blair sg Q Wahab c J. Pickett F M. CIsse F. Pretty bold to have DeJuan Blair, Moussa Cisse, and Qudus Wahab on starting, imo. But, I don't think a single team in the country could handle that inside play. In all seriousness, I think it's pretty bold to put Cisse on this list when we don't, as of now, have an open scholarship and he's been an LSU lean for months.
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Post by wilknow on Jun 16, 2020 12:39:02 GMT -5
Pretty bold to have DeJuan Blair, Moussa Cisse, and Qudus Wahab on starting, imo. But, I don't think a single team in the country could handle that inside play. In all seriousness, I think it's pretty bold to put Cisse on this list when we don't, as of now, have an open scholarship and he's been an LSU lean for months.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 20:47:38 GMT -5
Starters J Harris/Blair/Bile/Pickett/Wahab Bile & Pickett are essentially both 3.5s, but should be fine together if Bile can play a little defense. Pickett's time is now on O -- if he's not our most dynamic scorer, we're gonna struggle on that end in a big way. Blair might score a bit more overall, but JP's gotta be right there, scoring inside & on the perimeter. Wahab... just keep doing what he showed this year, and add consistency & tough D. Harris... hopefully he plays well enough to remain the starter all year & can provide some offense. Keep that spot warm for Frankie w/o forcing the kids to play there more than they need to. Rotation Guys Beard/D Harris/Clark/Sibley/Igohoefe Beard is the 3rd guard and should see heavy mins. Just guessing Harris will be a better scorer overall than Berger and that'll land him the 4th guard mins (~10mpg?). Sibley will be able to play with Bile or Pickett and that will help him see the court often. I'm guessing it's not long before he's playing more minutes than Bile, even if he's not starting. Clark's versatility at the wing might be his key to regular backup minutes. He'll need to defend tough wings, add some length at the 2 when necessary... and maybe more important than that, show he's not outmatched on the offensive end. My guess is he gets squeezed in closer games, though. Igohoefe gets Wahab backup minutes -- which could frequently be substantial w/ a young aggressive big as the starter. Deep Bench Wilson/Berger Wilson's really only an injury or foul trouble away from seeing decent time, but on a regular night I still think he's 3rd in line and not in the short rotation. (And no... he's not playing PF.) Berger & D Harris will fight for those 4th guard minutes. The main reason TJ's here and not Harris is I think we'll need DH's offense (from what I've seen of it, anyway.) But in the early part of the year, Pat's gonna have to play them both to figure it all out. JH - 24 JB - 30 CB - 22 JP - 30 QW - 24 TB - 20 DH - 9 KC - 8 JS - 21 TI - 12 When the bench starts getting shortened in big games, D Harris & Clark's minutes will go elsewhere. Beard, Sibley, and Igohoefe will be 6/7/8. After Holloway addition and Tyler Beard to prep... backup guards move up a spot, Jalen Harris takes a little larger role, Holloway to deep bench. Not much else changes. JH (28) / JB (30) / CB (22) / JP (30) / QW (24) DH (12) / TJ (5) / KC (14) / JS (22) / TI (12) Robinson/Holloway/Wilson/**OPEN** At this point, it wouldn't surprise me to see D Harris, Berger, or Jaden Robinson get the most backup guard minutes on any given night. Like before, I'm guessing DH will be the best offensive option, but... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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