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Post by hoyajinx on May 18, 2020 15:55:37 GMT -5
It seems quite unlikely this is true. But, if it is, it means he either has the virus or he’s taking this stuff to stubbornly prove some point which brings with it a high risk of ruining his heart. If he is taking this stuff, will be interesting to see how this all unfolds this summer. There is no way he is actually taking it, but we can certainly hope.
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Post by SSHoya on May 18, 2020 16:12:14 GMT -5
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Post by EasyEd on May 18, 2020 18:59:41 GMT -5
Negative. What this article describes is two completely different approaches to severe pandemics. In the 1969 pandemic, over 100,000 Americans died. Due to a much smaller population in 1969, that can be roughly scaled up to over 160,000 deaths. So this is in roughly the same ballpark as COVID-19. Yet life continued almost without interruption with little fanfare from the media and no attempt to politicize it. The 1968 pandemic killed 100,000 over 2 years. Covid-19 has killed 100,000 in two months and we've been locked inside for those two months preventing it from killing 1M. They aren't comparable. TC, did I chase your dog off my lawn or something? You seem to feel the need to react negatively to whatever I post. The 1968-69 pandemic is believed to have killed over 100,000 Americans. "Over 100,000" could mean 101,000, 150,000, 200,000?. Plus, as I noted, there were far fewer Americans open for infection in 1968 so the "over 100,000". on a per capita basis would be " over 160,000" or so. I will grant the '68 pandemic figures were for a two year period while the COVID-19 numbers are for about four months so much is still to be played out. But, note I did not say they were comparable (your phrase). I said they are in the same ballpark and they were both severe pandemics. I appreciate what others (not you) have posted about the effects of the '57 occurrence on the '68 pandemic. Informative. Now, your damn dog is back on my lawn.
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Post by EasyEd on May 18, 2020 19:35:39 GMT -5
[/quote]EasyEd, do you think the Trump administration has done a good job in handling the pandemic? Would the pandemic handbook prepared by scientists under the previous administration have helped with the current pandemic?[/quote] I don't like questions like this because you, obviously, have political motives. In response to the second question, I don't know, so don't try to get me to answer and please don't ascribe ulterior motives to my not answering it. I don't know. And neither do you. I believe the Trump administration has done a relatively good job in handling the pandemic, starting with the early February stopping travel from China which, of course, led to the opposition party crying racist. That was quickly followed with a restriction on most travel from Europe. These two actions, in my view, saved more American lives than all the social distancing. Of course I can't prove that. It's an opinion, nothing more. I also believe the administration was very effective in helping alert the American people of the seriousness of the pandemic, though Trump, himself, waffled back and forth on the matter. I also think the administration did a pretty good job marshaling industry and the military to join in the fight. Trump, himself, has done a poor job of being the soothing voice of calm needed. He has made a large mistake trying to be the voice of the response; he should have let the VP be that voice. On the other hand, Trump has done a good job pushing for a vaccine and other treatments but has bungled it at times. Now I expect lots of people disagree with what is my opinion. That's okay. And, I expect SS to quote the Washington Post as the objective voice of those disagreeing with my opinions. Then YaBoy will pipe in giving his opinion, stated as fact, and daring me to refute his opinions. Then, of course, TC will disagree, just because that's what he does. All in good fun, guys.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 20:32:18 GMT -5
EasyEd, do you think the Trump administration has done a good job in handling the pandemic? Would the pandemic handbook prepared by scientists under the previous administration have helped with the current pandemic? I don't like questions like this because you, obviously, have political motives. In response to the second question, I don't know, so don't try to get me to answer and please don't ascribe ulterior motives to my not answering it. I don't know. And neither do you. I believe the Trump administration has done a relatively good job in handling the pandemic, starting with the early February stopping travel from China which, of course, led to the opposition party crying racist. That was quickly followed with a restriction on most travel from Europe. These two actions, in my view, saved more American lives than all the social distancing. Of course I can't prove that. It's an opinion, nothing more. I also believe the administration was very effective in helping alert the American people of the seriousness of the pandemic, though Trump, himself, waffled back and forth on the matter. I also think the administration did a pretty good job marshaling industry and the military to join in the fight. Trump, himself, has done a poor job of being the soothing voice of calm needed. He has made a large mistake trying to be the voice of the response; he should have let the VP be that voice. On the other hand, Trump has done a good job pushing for a vaccine and other treatments but has bungled it at times. Now I expect lots of people disagree with what is my opinion. That's okay. And, I expect SS to quote the Washington Post as the objective voice of those disagreeing with my opinions. Then YaBoy will pipe in giving his opinion, stated as fact, and daring me to refute his opinions. Then, of course, TC will disagree, just because that's what he does. All in good fun, guys. [/quote][/quote] Today: US- 4% of world population: 28% of ALL Deaths - 90K+ 32% of ALL infected - 1.5M & <3% tested 37M Unemployed
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Post by SSHoya on May 18, 2020 20:42:48 GMT -5
Christian Science Monitor:Tommye and Rody Johnson have been registered Republicans for almost seven decades. So while the couple from Vero Beach, Florida, had some reservations about then-candidate Donald Trump in 2016, they just couldn’t imagine voting for Hillary Clinton. Now, after nearly four years of President Trump’s tweets, the impeachment scandal, and especially, what they see as his disastrous handling of the COVID-19 pandemic, they can’t imagine voting for him again. They’re not the only ones. According to a recent Morning Consult poll, Mr. Trump’s approval rating among voters over the age of 65 dropped 20 points between March and the end of April, making seniors more critical of the president’s performance than any other age group aside from 18- to 29-year-olds. Much of that decline seems directly related to the virus, which so far has posed a far more serious health threat to older people. www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2020/0512/For-some-seniors-virus-is-shifting-their-views-of-TrumpNational Review:There’s a term in Silicon Valley for software that’s advertised before anyone can guarantee it will even exist. It’s called “vaporware.” Much of the federal government’s response to the crisis has been vaporware. We’ve gotten lots of advertising and an implicit promise of a world-class operation to fight the disease. But it doesn’t exist yet and it’s becoming clearer that the White House is spinning its wheels, looking for something — anything — to do other than solving the crisis at hand. www.nationalreview.com/2020/05/the-vaporware-presidency/FiveThirtyEight:May 18th: 52.4% disapprove of Trump's handling of the pandemic while 43.4% approve projects.fivethirtyeight.com/coronavirus-polls/Just Security:Timeline updated through May 7, 2020 www.justsecurity.org/69650/timeline-of-the-coronavirus-pandemic-and-u-s-response/
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Post by flyoverhoya on May 19, 2020 9:46:04 GMT -5
EasyEd, do you think the Trump administration has done a good job in handling the pandemic? Would the pandemic handbook prepared by scientists under the previous administration have helped with the current pandemic? I don't like questions like this because you, obviously, have political motives. In response to the second question, I don't know, so don't try to get me to answer and please don't ascribe ulterior motives to my not answering it. I don't know. And neither do you. I believe the Trump administration has done a relatively good job in handling the pandemic, starting with the early February stopping travel from China which, of course, led to the opposition party crying racist. That was quickly followed with a restriction on most travel from Europe. These two actions, in my view, saved more American lives than all the social distancing. Of course I can't prove that. It's an opinion, nothing more. I also believe the administration was very effective in helping alert the American people of the seriousness of the pandemic, though Trump, himself, waffled back and forth on the matter. I also think the administration did a pretty good job marshaling industry and the military to join in the fight. Trump, himself, has done a poor job of being the soothing voice of calm needed. He has made a large mistake trying to be the voice of the response; he should have let the VP be that voice. On the other hand, Trump has done a good job pushing for a vaccine and other treatments but has bungled it at times. Now I expect lots of people disagree with what is my opinion. That's okay. And, I expect SS to quote the Washington Post as the objective voice of those disagreeing with my opinions. Then YaBoy will pipe in giving his opinion, stated as fact, and daring me to refute his opinions. Then, of course, TC will disagree, just because that's what he does. All in good fun, guys. [/quote] Today: US- 4% of world population: 28% of ALL Deaths - 90K+ 32% of ALL infected - 1.5M & <3% tested 37M Unemployed [/quote] Wow. The crappy little bar 2 blocks from my house that threw its doors open right after the Wisconsin Supreme Court's opinion came down made the big time - a WSJ tweet!
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Post by EasyEd on May 19, 2020 10:29:51 GMT -5
EasyEd, do you think the Trump administration has done a good job in handling the pandemic? Would the pandemic handbook prepared by scientists under the previous administration have helped with the current pandemic? I don't like questions like this because you, obviously, have political motives. In response to the second question, I don't know, so don't try to get me to answer and please don't ascribe ulterior motives to my not answering it. I don't know. And neither do you. I believe the Trump administration has done a relatively good job in handling the pandemic, starting with the early February stopping travel from China which, of course, led to the opposition party crying racist. That was quickly followed with a restriction on most travel from Europe. These two actions, in my view, saved more American lives than all the social distancing. Of course I can't prove that. It's an opinion, nothing more. I also believe the administration was very effective in helping alert the American people of the seriousness of the pandemic, though Trump, himself, waffled back and forth on the matter. I also think the administration did a pretty good job marshaling industry and the military to join in the fight. Trump, himself, has done a poor job of being the soothing voice of calm needed. He has made a large mistake trying to be the voice of the response; he should have let the VP be that voice. On the other hand, Trump has done a good job pushing for a vaccine and other treatments but has bungled it at times. Now I expect lots of people disagree with what is my opinion. That's okay. And, I expect SS to quote the Washington Post as the objective voice of those disagreeing with my opinions. Then YaBoy will pipe in giving his opinion, stated as fact, and daring me to refute his opinions. Then, of course, TC will disagree, just because that's what he does. All in good fun, guys. [/quote] Today: US- 4% of world population: 28% of ALL Deaths - 90K+ 32% of ALL infected - 1.5M & <3% tested 37M Unemployed [/quote] NY 6% of US population NY 25% of US deaths Has the governor of NY done a good job in containing the virus?
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Post by prhoya on May 19, 2020 10:33:31 GMT -5
NY 6% of US population NY 25% of US deaths Has the governor of NY done a good job in containing the virus? Are you voting for him? Do you live in NY?
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 10:41:57 GMT -5
Today: US- 4% of world population: 28% of ALL Deaths - 90K+ 32% of ALL infected - 1.5M & <3% tested 37M Unemployed [/quote] NY 6% of US population NY 25% of US deaths Has the governor of NY done a good job in containing the virus? [/quote] No, they were too slow to act. See how easy that was? Is Trump the President for only 49 states? How does he not own part of that failure when he was even slower to act?
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Post by Filo on May 19, 2020 10:43:40 GMT -5
Thought these were pretty interesting regarding the travel bans. Shockingly, it doesn't appear the bans were as effective as Trump portrays them to be. First, this one albeit from what some would consider a biased source: billmoyers.comand then this Opinion Piece from that liberal rag, The Washington Times.
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Post by hoyajinx on May 19, 2020 10:59:15 GMT -5
Thought these were pretty interesting regarding the travel bans. Shockingly, it doesn't appear the bans were as effective as Trump portrays them to be. First, this one albeit from what some would consider a biased source: billmoyers.comand then this Opinion Piece from that liberal rag, The Washington Times.We discussed the ineffectiveness of the travel bans a few pages back, but this is definitely a good reminder for those who feel the need to keep banging that drum. Trump and his followers have this one thing to hang their collective hats on as the ONLY seemingly proactive step in limiting the virus’s spread. If, at the very least, it bought some time, then all that time was squandered anyways. I can’t imagine the “ban” prevented a significant number of deaths at all.
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Post by hoyajinx on May 19, 2020 11:09:22 GMT -5
Today: US- 4% of world population: 28% of ALL Deaths - 90K+ 32% of ALL infected - 1.5M & <3% tested 37M Unemployed NY 6% of US population NY 25% of US deaths Has the governor of NY done a good job in containing the virus? [/quote] No, they were too slow to act. See how easy that was? Is Trump the President for only 49 states? How does he not own part of that failure when he was even slower to act? [/quote] I wouldn’t even concede that Cuomo did a “bad” job. He definitely made mistakes with respect to nursing homes but consider this: New York City is the 6th most densely populated incorporated city in the country. The five above it are all suburbs of New York City all with less than 70,000 people. The next highest population density among cities with 1,000,000 plus residents? Chicago at 75th with 2.6 million residents. Less than a third of NYC’s population. It’s pretty clear that the percentages don’t tell the whole story here. Population density is a major factor. Maybe if testing was made available by the Trump administration, NY would have been better equipped to handle the outbreak.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 11:18:20 GMT -5
Today: US- 4% of world population: 28% of ALL Deaths - 90K+ 32% of ALL infected - 1.5M & <3% tested 37M Unemployed NY 6% of US population NY 25% of US deaths Has the governor of NY done a good job in containing the virus? No, they were too slow to act. See how easy that was? Is Trump the President for only 49 states? How does he not own part of that failure when he was even slower to act? [/quote] I wouldn’t even concede that Cuomo did a “bad” job. He definitely made mistakes with respect to nursing homes but consider this: New York City is the 6th most densely populated incorporated city in the country. The five above it are all suburbs of New York City all with less than 70,000 people. The next highest population density among cities with 1,000,000 plus residents? Chicago at 75th with 2.6 million residents. Less than a third of NYC’s population. It’s pretty clear that the percentages don’t tell the whole story here. Population density is a major factor. Maybe if testing was made available by the Trump administration, NY would have been better equipped to handle the outbreak.[/quote] The lack of testing has always been the story. Especially when so many people spreading it are asymptomatic. Can't fight something you don't know exists. That's obviously on the Feds and they're still failing in that department 4 months after our first case.
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Post by SSHoya on May 19, 2020 11:30:04 GMT -5
But academics who study how illnesses spread and doctors who treat infectious diseases said Cuomo's decisive approach in the first few weeks of the pandemic helped provide clear information to the public as 'social distancing' measures were put in place. Especially in comparison with President Trump, those experts said, Cuomo's approach in the first few weeks was a great, if imperfect, job as he led the state amid one of its greatest crises ever. buffalonews.com/2020/04/04/pandemic-experts-agree-cuomo-is-doing-a-good-job/Coronavirus Pandemic Pushes Cuomo to Record High Ratings; Voters Trust Cuomo over Trump on NY Reopening 78-16% scri.siena.edu/2020/04/27/coronavirus-pandemic-pushes-cuomo-to-record-high-ratings-voters-trust-cuomo-over-trump-on-ny-reopening-78-16/New polling data from SurveyMonkey, which were shared with The Washington Post, show that fully 49 of 50 governors have significantly higher approval ratings for their coronavirus responses than Trump does in recent polls. A Washington Post-Ipsos poll last week showed 43 percent of Americans approved of Trump’s handling of the outbreak. The one governor on Trump’s level is Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp (R), whose efforts to reopen his state have proved controversial. In the Post-Ipsos poll, Kemp’s approval rating was 39 percent; in the new one, it’s a similar 43 percent — the same as Trump’s. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/05/19/49-50-governors-have-better-coronavirus-numbers-than-trump/(Gasp! I've done it again - I've cited the Washington Post but you ever notice while Trumpist defenders criticize the source but they never address the substance? I wish they'd cite their sources - Faux News, Breitbart, OAN . . .)
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Post by TC on May 19, 2020 11:58:03 GMT -5
I wouldn’t even concede that Cuomo did a “bad” job. He definitely made mistakes with respect to nursing homes but consider this: New York City is the 6th most densely populated incorporated city in the country. The five above it are all suburbs of New York City all with less than 70,000 people. The next highest population density among cities with 1,000,000 plus residents? Chicago at 75th with 2.6 million residents. Less than a third of NYC’s population. It’s pretty clear that the percentages don’t tell the whole story here. Population density is a major factor. Maybe if testing was made available by the Trump administration, NY would have been better equipped to handle the outbreak. I'd judge Governors on testing per capita, amount of contact tracing they have set up, and whether they are being transparent and honest about the data (Florida and Arizona fired the data analysts, Georgia lied about their numbers, etc). Cuomo has done pretty well on all those things, really good job on the last part.
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Post by badgerhoya on May 19, 2020 12:52:39 GMT -5
Today: US- 4% of world population: 28% of ALL Deaths - 90K+ 32% of ALL infected - 1.5M & <3% tested 37M Unemployed NY 6% of US population NY 25% of US deaths Has the governor of NY done a good job in containing the virus? No, they were too slow to act. See how easy that was? Is Trump the President for only 49 states? How does he not own part of that failure when he was even slower to act? Honestly -- this piece comparing California to NY is pretty devastating for the East Coasters. In spite of what Mr. Musk seems to say on his feed. CA 12% of US population CA 3% of US deaths www.propublica.org/article/two-coasts-one-virus-how-new-york-suffered-nearly-10-times-the-number-of-deaths-as-california
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Post by DallasHoya on May 19, 2020 13:28:10 GMT -5
There’s a term in Silicon Valley for software that’s advertised before anyone can guarantee it will even exist. It’s called “vaporware.” Much of the federal government’s response to the crisis has been vaporware. We’ve gotten lots of advertising and an implicit promise of a world-class operation to fight the disease. But it doesn’t exist yet and it’s becoming clearer that the White House is spinning its wheels, looking for something — anything — to do other than solving the crisis at hand. www.nationalreview.com/2020/05/the-vaporware-presidency/That NR quote made a lot of sense. But if you're going to quote NR, here's another article from yesterday: "In a briefing for reporters last week on FEMA’s work securing PPE, FEMA administrator Peter Gaynor laid out the raw numbers: FEMA, HHS, and the private sector have shipped or are currently shipping 92.7 million N95 respirators, 133 million surgical masks, 10.5 million face shields, 42.4 million surgical gowns, and 989 million gloves. According to Admiral John Polowczyk, head of the supply-chain task force at FEMA, we manufactured roughly 30 million N95 respirators domestically a month before the COVID-19 crisis. He says we are on a path now to ramp up to 180 million N95 respirators a month." www.nationalreview.com/2020/05/the-massive-trump-coronavirus-supply-effort-that-the-media-loves-to-hate/
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Post by SSHoya on May 19, 2020 14:26:46 GMT -5
There’s a term in Silicon Valley for software that’s advertised before anyone can guarantee it will even exist. It’s called “vaporware.” Much of the federal government’s response to the crisis has been vaporware. We’ve gotten lots of advertising and an implicit promise of a world-class operation to fight the disease. But it doesn’t exist yet and it’s becoming clearer that the White House is spinning its wheels, looking for something — anything — to do other than solving the crisis at hand. www.nationalreview.com/2020/05/the-vaporware-presidency/That NR quote made a lot of sense. But if you're going to quote NR, here's another article from yesterday: "In a briefing for reporters last week on FEMA’s work securing PPE, FEMA administrator Peter Gaynor laid out the raw numbers: FEMA, HHS, and the private sector have shipped or are currently shipping 92.7 million N95 respirators, 133 million surgical masks, 10.5 million face shields, 42.4 million surgical gowns, and 989 million gloves. According to Admiral John Polowczyk, head of the supply-chain task force at FEMA, we manufactured roughly 30 million N95 respirators domestically a month before the COVID-19 crisis. He says we are on a path now to ramp up to 180 million N95 respirators a month." www.nationalreview.com/2020/05/the-massive-trump-coronavirus-supply-effort-that-the-media-loves-to-hate/Fair enough but Dallas, here's the problem. This administration has lied so often, how do we know that Gaynor is telling the truth or is it spin? As a former Naval officer, my default mode is to assume that Admiral Polowczyk is doing his level best to accomplish the mission but I will confess a degree of skepticism as to the claims of FEMA. I'll take a wait and see attitude towards Admiral Polowzyk's claim that "we are on the path now to ramp up to 180 million N95 respirators a month." Imagine if Trump had ordered preparation for the pandemic in January or February and not waiting until the end of March to do so. Instead, Trump played golf on Jan. 18 and 19, Feb. 1 and 15, and March 7 and 8, according to the Trump Golf Count website. He hosted rallies on Jan. 9 (Toledo, Ohio); 14 (Milwaukee), 28 (Wildwood, N.J.) and 30 (Des Moines, Iowa), as well as Feb. 10 (Manchester, N.H.), 19 (Phoenix), 20 (Colorado Springs), 21 (Las Vegas) and 28 (Charleston, S.C.). As late as March 10th, Trump said “And we’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.” — Trump after meeting with Republican senators.
In any event, I hope he does get the ramp up to 180 million per month to prep for a fall spike. Unless it magically disappears on November 3rd, right? www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/white-house-pandemic-supply-project-swathed-in-secrecy-and-exaggerations/2020/05/08/9c77efb2-8d52-11ea-a9c0-73b93422d691_story.htmlwww.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/17/fact-check-trump-had-rallies-golfed-covid-19-outbreak-grew/5126918002/
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