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Post by tashoya on Apr 10, 2020 23:09:23 GMT -5
I wanted to say a heartfelt thank you to all of those that sent prayers and good thoughts to my aunt. We found out tonight that she has now tested negative. I sincerely thank each and every one of you that took even a passing second out of your day to wish her well. She's incredibly grateful for all of the prayers and good thoughts and I am as well. I can only hope that I can repay the generosity and that each and every one of you that has a loved one that tests positive has a similar result. My offer to help for anyone that may need something done in Long Island stands. Message me. I'm happy to do whatever is needed. Groceries, prepared meals, errands, etc. Please feel free to take me up on it and just message me without a second thought. Thank you, thank you, thank you to all. Best wishes to all for safety and good health. tas, I wish you and your family and particularly your aunt a joyous Easter. It won't be a normal one, but hopefully a joyous one nevertheless. We participated in a virtual Seder the other night. Thank you, hoyarooter. I very much appreciate that. With my aunt, hopefully, out of the woods, it's going to be a good one, regardless. My dad (the brother of the aunt that is sick) finished cancer treatment this past fall when it really wasn't looking good. His scans, so far, have been clear. I'm very grateful for the unexpected good news on both fronts. Hopefully, a family dinner can happen when all of this is in the rear-view. As for now, I'm feeling very lucky during a very sad time for a whole lot of people. My warmest wishes to you and to all of those for whom you love and care for continued safety and good health. Chag Pesach sameach to you all!
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Apr 11, 2020 12:08:52 GMT -5
Prayers for your Dad on continued clear scans!!!
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Post by tashoya on Apr 11, 2020 17:48:45 GMT -5
Prayers for your Dad on continued clear scans!!! Thank you, Nevada. He's feeling great but the appointments he did have have been pushed back. Fingers crossed that he is as healthy as he feels.
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Post by Elvado on Apr 11, 2020 17:50:45 GMT -5
Prayers for your Dad on continued clear scans!!! Amen. I can tell you that Nevada is a good guy to have on your side.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 11, 2020 19:04:29 GMT -5
Prayers for your Dad on continued clear scans!!! Amen. I can tell you that Nevada is a good guy to have on your side. On this we can certainly agree. Thank you to all.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 11, 2020 19:19:12 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 11, 2020 19:21:41 GMT -5
I can't wait for the COVID-19 Commission to investigate Trump's fatal debacle. Oh, wait. There won't be one if the Republicans retain the Senate. . . Moscow Mitch and Leningrad Lindsey will protect their Dear Leader.
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Post by hoyajinx on Apr 11, 2020 20:33:44 GMT -5
I can't wait for the COVID-19 Commission to investigate Trump's fatal debacle. Oh, wait. There won't be one if the Republicans retain the Senate. . . Moscow Mitch and Leningrad Lindsey will protect their Dear Leader. I still get annoyed by the notion that Trump “closed off the country to China.” First off, before he even did what he said, United, Delta, and American had already discontinued direct flights from China. Second, people were still able to fly from China easily with layovers in other countries like Singapore. It did absolutely nothing except probably make the imbecile-in-chief complacent figuring since he took that step (mind you which the major airlines had already done), that all was clear. That move probably cost more lives than it saved despite what The Fox News propagandists would have you believe. Maybe this is why he thought the 15 cases would go down to zero? The magnitude of his ineptitude cannot be overstated. A literal corpse could do a better job running the country because it wouldn’t actively and aggressively Edited everything up. There will be an investigation of what went wrong, if not in the next four years, sometime after that. And it will reveal an absolute disaster. Edit: Also, the strain that devastated New York was a mutation of European origin based upon the most recent genetic testing, so that “travel ban” was an absolute sham that his supporters keep propping up as a major factor in keeping the number of cases down.
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 12, 2020 5:24:15 GMT -5
"Edit: Also, the strain that devastated New York was a mutation of European origin based upon the most recent genetic testing, so that “travel ban” was an absolute sham that his supporters keep propping up as a major factor in keeping the number of cases down."
Not to mention it plays into the inherent racism of Trump and some (not all) of his supporters.
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Post by Elvado on Apr 12, 2020 5:27:55 GMT -5
"Edit: Also, the strain that devastated New York was a mutation of European origin based upon the most recent genetic testing, so that “travel ban” was an absolute sham that his supporters keep propping up as a major factor in keeping the number of cases down." Not to mention it plays into the inherent racism of Trump and some (not all) of his supporters. Trump has bungled the response to this situation in so many ways, but this is the wrong hill to die on. Stopping travel from China where this virus originated helped. It was not the silver bullet he claimed, but it did help.
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 12, 2020 5:35:36 GMT -5
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Post by Elvado on Apr 12, 2020 5:45:00 GMT -5
Also true but stopping flights from China was a net positive. When you claim it wasn’t you undercut the strength of your position.
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Post by hoyajinx on Apr 12, 2020 6:11:34 GMT -5
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Post by RusskyHoya on Apr 12, 2020 11:17:02 GMT -5
"Net Positive" is a tricky thing to calculate here. First, we must stipulate that research suggests these sorts of travel bans are *not* a good idea, and in fact are oftentimes counterproductive. Some sources: The common thread throughout all of this is that it's impossible to look at something like a travel ban in isolation. In theory, the logic is straightforward: if you prevent people from areas with the virus from coming in, then they can't bring the virus here. To the extent that it's not an impermeable barrier, you still reduce the number of cases and speed of transmission. But in practice, all the knock-on effects can very easily turn it from a net positive to a net negative.
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 12, 2020 11:40:07 GMT -5
Whatever net positive such as slowing down the rate of transmission that may have resulted was squandered by Trump's continued denial, failure to otherwise act, and CDC's failure to provide a valid test. This tragic episode will go down in Presidential history as one of the greatest failures to respond to a crisis compounded by Trump's gross incompetence. This will be Trump's legacy. Trump’s failures during the coronavirus pandemic run the gamut from the rhetorical to the organizational. Every time the president speaks he seems to add to the fear and chaos surrounding the situation: telling Americans it was not serious by asserting his “hunches” about data, assuring people that everyone would be tested even when there were very few tests available, telling people that we are very close to a vaccine when it is anywhere from 12 to 18 months away, mistakenly asserting that goods as well as people from Europe would be forbidden from entering the United States, and announcing that Google had a website for testing while the initiative was merely an unimplemented idea, were just a few of his televised gaffes. After every presidential statement, “clarifications” were needed. Trump has the unique distinction of giving a national address meant to calm the country that had the effect of taking the stock market down over 1,000 points. www-brookings-edu.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2020/03/16/trumps-failed-presidency/amp/?amp_js_v=a2&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=15867095590452&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.brookings.edu%2Fblog%2Ffixgov%2F2020%2F03%2F16%2Ftrumps-failed-presidency%2F
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2020 11:50:23 GMT -5
"These final days of February...illustrated Mr. Trump’s inability or unwillingness to absorb warnings coming at him. He instead reverted to his traditional political playbook...squandering vital time as the coronavirus spread silently across the country."
He Could Have Seen What Was Coming: Behind Trump’s Failure on the Virus
An examination reveals the president was warned about the potential for a pandemic but that internal divisions, lack of planning and his faith in his own instincts led to a halting response.
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Post by Elvado on Apr 12, 2020 11:57:30 GMT -5
"Net Positive" is a tricky thing to calculate here. First, we must stipulate that research suggests these sorts of travel bans are *not* a good idea, and in fact are oftentimes counterproductive. Some sources: The common thread throughout all of this is that it's impossible to look at something like a travel ban in isolation. In theory, the logic is straightforward: if you prevent people from areas with the virus from coming in, then they can't bring the virus here. To the extent that it's not an impermeable barrier, you still reduce the number of cases and speed of transmission. But in practice, all the knock-on effects can very easily turn it from a net positive to a net negative. Fair enough.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2020 12:26:46 GMT -5
Wasn't it also just a partial ban?
The NYT finds nearly 40,000 people have flown in from China since Trump imposed the travel restrictions he regularly describes has having "closed down".
In total 430,000 people traveled from China to U.S. since coronavirus surfaced 1300 direct flights
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 13, 2020 4:37:29 GMT -5
Crazed man in White House. Republicans are good with this, right? Dear Leader has spoken. President Trump retweeted a call to fire his top infectious disease specialist Anthony S. Fauci Sunday evening, amid mounting criticism of the federal response to the coronavirus pandemic. Recent polls have shown that Americans trust Fauci much more than they trust Trump, which could rankle the president. www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/13/trump-fire-fauci-coronavirus/
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Post by hoya9797 on Apr 13, 2020 8:11:43 GMT -5
Crazed man in White House. Republicans are good with this, right? Dear Leader has spoken. President Trump retweeted a call to fire his top infectious disease specialist Anthony S. Fauci Sunday evening, amid mounting criticism of the federal response to the coronavirus pandemic. Recent polls have shown that Americans trust Fauci much more than they trust Trump, which could rankle the president. www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/13/trump-fire-fauci-coronavirus/If you get caught in trump’s sphere, only two things can happen - 1) your principals, whatever they might have been (and for most of these folks, they weren’t great) get eroded away and you turn into a cartoon character villain or 2) you stick to your principals you will get dragged through the mud by trump and his proxies and eventually get fired. There is no doubt that all the competent people working this virus problem will be fired before too long and his supporters will be talking about they never knew what they were doing and made the problem worse. We’re already seeing this in the way guys like that are revising history and making trump the hero of this story. A hero needs a foil and it will certainly be the doctors trying to advise him and keep him from acting on his worst impulses. But, those folks can’t win and will get fired. It’s guaranteed.
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