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Post by bearsandbulls on Mar 11, 2020 22:19:03 GMT -5
Wow. This team played with heart until you could see, as any athlete could, that it was over. You can digest how we ended with such a horrible finish, but I think Terrelll's muscle cramps was an indicator of the season. Stretched thin early, injured in the middle, and out of gas at the end. Do you think if we had held on we would have been anything but embarrassing against Creighton tomorrow. The tank was on EMPTY. The hearts were still there, but no more energy to be drained. Better times will prevail. We need a PG for next year plus one or two three point shooters.
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Post by hoyainla on Mar 11, 2020 22:38:24 GMT -5
When they cancel the BET tomorrow does this game count? Asking for a few Ewing supporters. From time to time you make valid points and seem to really know basketball and I appreciate those posts / contributions. But a post like this, when tonight’s loss is really raw and painful for most of us, suggests that you really do have an agenda and are just a Edited bag. Please just go away and root for another team. The above post makes it really clear you are a troll and not a fan. Just read the posts where I’m not trying to make jokes then. If this loss and my post was painful for you then you probably care about Ewing. I’ve enjoyed watching this team more than any of previous seasons because of the makeup of the players. Tonight was either going to be a 1 night reprieve of the inevitable or the end of a disastrous season. I’ve not left my house for a week from some Hoyas losses. This wasn’t that type of game. This one just put a magnifying glass on the problems in the program.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 11, 2020 22:40:56 GMT -5
St Johns. DePaul. The apocalypse is upon us.
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Post by dchoya72 on Mar 11, 2020 22:48:45 GMT -5
Ewing did have horrible sets forcing some of those bad shots. Ewing did not open up the game. Ewing did not prepare a defense. Ewing did not help his guys who needed it. Ewing did not play his best center tonight (just for tonight, Yurt is the better player) and failed his team. His sets created bad shots. His substitutions failed his guys. He didn't play his most capable lineup. He failed. He tried to play a brand of basketball that didn't work. He failed tonight. Mosely wasn't perfect, neither was Blair or Pickett. But they would've been better if he didn't run the same three out two in set and force the ball on the block to an injured center. If he allowed for dribble penetration rather than shrinking the floor, I don't think Mosely has as many turnovers and I can guarantee that Blair isn't 2/14 from deep and Pickett doesn't air ball two threes. Also, that first one wasn't open. He was leaning off of what I thought was a bad pass. At least that's how I saw it. I could be remembering wrong. Here were the possessions down the stretch, beginning at 10 min mark (that's when sideline reporter said Pat wanted to slow game down): 9:50...up nine, Blair takes a horrific three completely the opposite of what we were just told. 935...up nine, immediate dribble penetration by Allen from horns set draws foul. On OOB play we post Yurt for a basket to go up 11. 900....up eight. Same horns look. Allen tries to penetrate. Yurt rolls. Leads to quick entry to Yurt who is fouled and makes one. 815...up nine...Nice post entry to Yurt who is sort of fouled while going up for his patented almost dunk. Makes one again. Thats three straight possessions we successfully go to Yurt. 730...up ten. High PNR Jagan and Yurt. Yurt rolls, but Pickett shoots a contested three with ten to shoot. Misses. 650...up eight. Yurt and Allen PNR. Allen refuses screen and scores layup. Gets hurt. There's no stalling of any kind to this point. Yurt has touched it exactly three times and scored three times. 600....up seven. Bad possession leads to Blair throwing a running layup that misses. Yurt offensive board. Now we do stall a bit. Look for Yurt but it's not open. Robinson drives and tries to kick but charges. 440...up five. We try to run a staggered high screen for Mosely but they jump it. We deal with it well and reverse to Allen for a wide open three with 13 to shoot. Misses 407...up two now. Get ball to Yurt in post. He is tripled. Passes well to Allen, who kicks to Blair for wide open three. Misses with 13 to shoot. 342...up two. This is a post heavy set. We get it to Yurt. He's doubled and kicks but no outside shot. To Yurt again. He's doubled again. Kicks to Blair who has Jagan for a wide open corner three but doesn't give him the ball until he's covered. Ball to Pickett in post who has awful turnover. 310. tied. We try to get Yurt in post. Pickett ball fakes to him and decides to shoot a three. Misses by 15 feet. With 18 to shoot 230. Down three. We do try to force Yurt here. He's doubled without the ball. Jagan forces the next pass from way up high and it's picked off. Yurt did have very good position to be fair to Jagan. Just a really bad pass. 200. PNR with Allen and Yurt. Allen rims out a three. St John's makes another three. The game is functionally over. They're up seven. I mean....we didn't really stall at all. There weren't any shots with the clock winding down and several quick ones. Maybe we SHOULD have stalled!!!! In this segment of the game, every time Yurt touched the ball something good happened. Literally. It didnt seem like that at all! Yurt seem to fumble the ball a lot. He was often double-teamed. But all that patented stuff he did earlier in the season did not happen for him or us tonight. He did not have a great game, nor did he make anyone around him better, in my opinion. Coach took Wahab out and never looked for him again. He put his confidence in Yurt and we did not get good results.
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Post by dchoya72 on Mar 11, 2020 22:49:34 GMT -5
Wow. This team played with heart until you could see, as any athlete could, that it was over. You can digest how we ended with such a horrible finish, but I think Terrelll's muscle cramps was an indicator of the season. Stretched thin early, injured in the middle, and out of gas at the end. Do you think if we had held on we would have been anything but embarrassing against Creighton tomorrow. The tank was on EMPTY. The hearts were still there, but no more energy to be drained. Better times will prevail. We need a PG for next year plus one or two three point shooters. I think you are correct.
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Post by dchoya72 on Mar 11, 2020 22:54:24 GMT -5
What is next? We don't need the NIT!!! The off season. Seven months of no Hoyas basketball. Seven months of waiting. Seven months of nothing. Seven months of hoping we can get recruits and transfers. Seven months of hoping we get an assistant to fix our defense. Seven months of hoping Ewing doesn't slow down the schedule. Seven months of hoping the guys come out hungry and work hard. Seven months of hoping coach Crouch can improve these guys and work wonders. Seven months of patience. 😁mdtd,unfortunately you are correct. Have a good off-season! And the same for all Hoyas Basketball lovers, enjoy a hopeful recruiting season. Go Hoyas!
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Post by mdtd on Mar 11, 2020 22:59:14 GMT -5
The off season. Seven months of no Hoyas basketball. Seven months of waiting. Seven months of nothing. Seven months of hoping we can get recruits and transfers. Seven months of hoping we get an assistant to fix our defense. Seven months of hoping Ewing doesn't slow down the schedule. Seven months of hoping the guys come out hungry and work hard. Seven months of hoping coach Crouch can improve these guys and work wonders. Seven months of patience. 😁mdtd,unfortunately you are correct. Have a good off-season! And the same for all Hoyas Basketball lovers, enjoy a hopeful recruiting season. Go Hoyas! You too! Go Hoyas!
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 11, 2020 23:15:42 GMT -5
Gotta spend a couple of weeks in Hoya Detox facility, then I'll be ready to let thoughts of next season sneak into my consciousness.
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Post by Elvado on Mar 12, 2020 4:20:34 GMT -5
Ewing only played Yurt because he thought the game was under control. I believe he literally forgot Q was on the bench when things started going bad....I still can't believe that Coach coached not to lose with 8mins left... I think he must have watched the end of the AI - Ray Allen finals from 1995 on how to slow down and lose a game you have in the bag, 1996
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 12, 2020 6:35:09 GMT -5
Here were the possessions down the stretch, beginning at 10 min mark (that's when sideline reporter said Pat wanted to slow game down): 9:50...up nine, Blair takes a horrific three completely the opposite of what we were just told. 935...up nine, immediate dribble penetration by Allen from horns set draws foul. On OOB play we post Yurt for a basket to go up 11. 900....up eight. Same horns look. Allen tries to penetrate. Yurt rolls. Leads to quick entry to Yurt who is fouled and makes one. 815...up nine...Nice post entry to Yurt who is sort of fouled while going up for his patented almost dunk. Makes one again. Thats three straight possessions we successfully go to Yurt. 730...up ten. High PNR Jagan and Yurt. Yurt rolls, but Pickett shoots a contested three with ten to shoot. Misses. 650...up eight. Yurt and Allen PNR. Allen refuses screen and scores layup. Gets hurt. There's no stalling of any kind to this point. Yurt has touched it exactly three times and scored three times. 600....up seven. Bad possession leads to Blair throwing a running layup that misses. Yurt offensive board. Now we do stall a bit. Look for Yurt but it's not open. Robinson drives and tries to kick but charges. 440...up five. We try to run a staggered high screen for Mosely but they jump it. We deal with it well and reverse to Allen for a wide open three with 13 to shoot. Misses 407...up two now. Get ball to Yurt in post. He is tripled. Passes well to Allen, who kicks to Blair for wide open three. Misses with 13 to shoot. 342...up two. This is a post heavy set. We get it to Yurt. He's doubled and kicks but no outside shot. To Yurt again. He's doubled again. Kicks to Blair who has Jagan for a wide open corner three but doesn't give him the ball until he's covered. Ball to Pickett in post who has awful turnover. 310. tied. We try to get Yurt in post. Pickett ball fakes to him and decides to shoot a three. Misses by 15 feet. With 18 to shoot 230. Down three. We do try to force Yurt here. He's doubled without the ball. Jagan forces the next pass from way up high and it's picked off. Yurt did have very good position to be fair to Jagan. Just a really bad pass. 200. PNR with Allen and Yurt. Allen rims out a three. St John's makes another three. The game is functionally over. They're up seven. I mean....we didn't really stall at all. There weren't any shots with the clock winding down and several quick ones. Maybe we SHOULD have stalled!!!! In this segment of the game, every time Yurt touched the ball something good happened. Literally. It didnt seem like that at all! Yurt seem to fumble the ball a lot. He was often double-teamed. But all that patented stuff he did earlier in the season did not happen for him or us tonight. He did not have a great game, nor did he make anyone around him better, in my opinion. Coach took Wahab out and never looked for him again. He put his confidence in Yurt and we did not get good results. He did have two turnovers and at least one other possession where I recall a near turnover. May have been more than even that. But none was during this segment. I'm not saying he had a great game. Not at all. He's not a good defender or rebounder. But to say he didn't make anyone better is plain nonsense. He had an assist for a hoop when he entered. And in the segment I outline above, he either scored, passed out of doubles to get guys open shots, or got guys open shots because the D was denying him the ball. What more do we want than a wide open three! I frequently do what I did above quite often for the team I coach. It's always instructive and nearly always surprising. Watching this game live, I (like most here) thought we took the air out of the ball. Why? Because we heard that was the plan! And, once, Pickett pulled out from a 3 on 2 break. But it wasn't true overall. Not at all.
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Post by rhw485 on Mar 12, 2020 6:35:09 GMT -5
A fitting end to a difficult season
I was surprised we were pushing the ball so aggressively all game. It was working clearly but there was an inevitability that their legs wouldn't be able to hold up. Unfortunately it played out that way. As much as we "slowed" it down, a lot of the driving came from Allen and he ran out of gas. Mosely looked passive down the stretch and had 6 turnovers. That left post ups as only option.
I understand there will be criticism of Yurt7, I honestly thought he was ok on offense all things considered. He struggled with the double teams, but I thought our preparation for those was terrible. The double was coming from the strong side after the entry passer ran away. There were no easy looks, few cuts. Really tough spot. In 1st half, the mere threat of Yurt7 rolling got us two wide open 3s. You can criticize the defense on Earlington down the stretch. Ultimately those are 3s that our centers will give smaller / quicker players, Wahab gave Earlington similar looks in 1st half. Ewing seems determined to recruit traditional centers (I get it) so this will always be a weakness.
I'm not even as fussed about the 21 / 19 min split between Yurt7 and Wahab...but that absolutely shouldn't include 15 straight min for Yurt7! Maybe my number is wrong but he played at least the last 10, would have to look back for the exact moment he subbed in. Asking someone who hadn't played in a month to do that down the stretch is crazy imo. Sub Wahab in for the 8-4 min mark and see who looks better for the final push. Tough to mismanage a 6 man rotation and here we are.
I was a little surprised we didn't play more zone against a terrible shooting team. But I'm not sure how you let Figueroa be the guy to get two clean looks at 3 against zone in 2nd half. That's the attention to detail I'm talking about when I criticize the defense. He's the one person you have to cover in the zone, and we gave him two clean looks. Thats simply unacceptable.
I have no idea how Mac and Blair fit together next season. Blair was a disaster, a fun mix of terrible decisions and then missing the wide open ones he had. The driving to the hoop vanished. They're also both bad defenders. I don't think either can be a small forward in a 3 guard lineup w Beard or grad transfer X. Even the pieces we're returning (Blair/Mac and Wahab/Tim I) don't fit on the court together.
I'm surprised Mac had surgery this week, not a doctor but if it was needed then you would've wanted to get it over with to give him the full offseason to recover. Were they waiting / holding out hope for a recovery w surgery as last option? Who knows how this will impact his development for the offseason.
Lastly, thank you to Mosely, Allen, Yurt7, George. Appreciate the grind against difficult circumstances and you represented the program to the best of your abilities.
I joined the board this year after passively reading for a decade. That was because this season promised excitement that we hadn't seen in a while and I wanted to be a part of it. I'm honestly not sure when we're going to have that level of optimism heading into a season again.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 12, 2020 6:48:22 GMT -5
A fitting end to a difficult season I was surprised we were pushing the ball so aggressively all game. It was working clearly but there was an inevitability that their legs wouldn't be able to hold up. Unfortunately it played out that way. As much as we "slowed" it down, a lot of the driving came from Allen and he ran out of gas. Mosely looked passive down the stretch and had 6 turnovers. That left post ups as only option. I understand there will be criticism of Yurt7, I honestly thought he was ok on offense all things considered. He struggled with the double teams, but I thought our preparation for those was terrible. The double was coming from the strong side after the entry passer ran away. There were no easy looks, few cuts. Really tough spot. In 1st half, the mere threat of Yurt7 rolling got us two wide open 3s. You can criticize the defense on Earlington down the stretch. Ultimately those are 3s that our centers will give smaller / quicker players, Wahab gave Earlington similar looks in 1st half. Ewing seems determined to recruit traditional centers (I get it) so this will always be a weakness. I'm not even as fussed about the 21 / 19 min split between Yurt7 and Wahab...but that absolutely shouldn't include 15 straight min for Yurt7! Maybe my number is wrong but he played at least the last 10, would have to look back for the exact moment he subbed in. Asking someone who hadn't played in a month to do that down the stretch is crazy imo. Sub Wahab in for the 8-4 min mark and see who looks better for the final push. Tough to mismanage a 6 man rotation and here we are. I was a little surprised we didn't play more zone against a terrible shooting team. But I'm not sure how you let Figueroa be the guy to get two clean looks at 3 against zone in 2nd half. That's the attention to detail I'm talking about when I criticize the defense. He's the one person you have to cover in the zone, and we gave him two clean looks. Thats simply unacceptable. I have no idea how Mac and Blair fit together next season. Blair was a disaster, a fun mix of terrible decisions and then missing the wide open ones he had. The driving to the hoop vanished. They're also both bad defenders. I don't think either can be a small forward in a 3 guard lineup w Beard or grad transfer X. Even the pieces we're returning (Blair/Mac and Wahab/Tim I) don't fit on the court together. I'm surprised Mac had surgery this week, not a doctor but if it was needed then you would've wanted to get it over with to give him the full offseason to recover. Were they waiting / holding out hope for a recovery w surgery as last option? Who knows how this will impact his development for the offseason. Lastly, thank you to Mosely, Allen, Yurt7, George. Appreciate the grind against difficult circumstances and you represented the program to the best of your abilities. I joined the board this year after passively reading for a decade. That was because this season promised excitement that we hadn't seen in a while and I wanted to be a part of it. I'm honestly not sure when we're going to have that level of optimism heading into a season again. Rhw, I truly appreciate your thoughtful contributions. Thanks for posting.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 12, 2020 6:51:01 GMT -5
Here were the possessions down the stretch, beginning at 10 min mark (that's when sideline reporter said Pat wanted to slow game down): 9:50...up nine, Blair takes a horrific three completely the opposite of what we were just told. ( MDTD'S EDIT: This was really bad. I was screaming at my TV like a psycho after this) 935... up nine, immediate dribble penetration by Allen from horns set draws foul. On OOB play we post Yurt for a basket to go up 11.900....up eight. Same horns look. Allen tries to penetrate. Yurt rolls. Leads to quick entry to Yurt who is fouled and makes one. 815...up nine... Nice post entry to Yurt who is sort of fouled while going up for his patented almost dunk. Makes one again. Thats three straight possessions we successfully go to Yurt. 730...up ten. High PNR Jagan and Yurt. Yurt rolls, but Pickett shoots a contested three with ten to shoot. Misses. 650...up eight. Yurt and Allen PNR. Allen refuses screen and scores layup. Gets hurt.There's no stalling of any kind to this point. Yurt has touched it exactly three times and scored three times. 600....up seven. Bad possession leads to Blair throwing a running layup that misses. Yurt offensive board. Now we do stall a bit. Look for Yurt but it's not open. Robinson drives and tries to kick but charges. 440...up five. We try to run a staggered high screen for Mosely but they jump it. We deal with it well and reverse to Allen for a wide open three with 13 to shoot. Misses 407...up two now. Get ball to Yurt in post. He is tripled. Passes well to Allen, who kicks to Blair for wide open three. Misses with 13 to shoot. 342...up two. This is a post heavy set. We get it to Yurt. He's doubled and kicks but no outside shot. To Yurt again. He's doubled again. Kicks to Blair who has Jagan for a wide open corner three but doesn't give him the ball until he's covered. Ball to Pickett in post who has awful turnover. 310. tied. We try to get Yurt in post. Pickett ball fakes to him and decides to shoot a three. Misses by 15 feet. With 18 to shoot 230. Down three. We do try to force Yurt here. He's doubled without the ball. Jagan forces the next pass from way up high and it's picked off. Yurt did have very good position to be fair to Jagan. Just a really bad pass. I mean he touched the ball just about every time so there's that. Also, his touches in a post set are different than those when he rolls or when he is given the ball and space. Him in a post up setting was bad. After the 8 minute TO, he should've been benched. Earlington was beating him and he wasn't right. It's not his fault he played at all. Allen was able to penetrate and get him good looks. Not many of these were created by Yurt himself. Also, I think Champagnie got the ball cleanly, but Brando and others saw otherwise, so I'm probably wrong. And just how many times he was forced it is crazy. The offense was best with guards (mainly Allen tonight) going downhill and creating plays. In all of the possessions with scores, Allen wither drove and drew a foul, drove and got an assist or drove and scored. Also, we should've slowed it down more. With Wahab bullying and forcing position, creating driving lanes for our guards and getting position for himself. I recognize Allen wasn't 100% after he got his cramps. But, Mosely could drive it. Pickett could try to create from the perimeter, as he was playing well up to this point. Or, we could've gone high low and abused their lack of size rather than using both blocks with no driving lanes and horrible spacing. It's bad coaching, bad sets just a lack of recognizing what's working and what isn't. And with him not taking accountability, much like JT3 at the end, I'm really scared we are back at square one. I really want to win one recruiting battle, get a grad transfer who can score, and be given some reason for optimism. I believe Ewing deserves another year. But I'm scared. I'm scared he isn't improving as a coach. I'm scared these mistakes repeat, as they have. I'm scared nothing changes for next year and we have the same staff, same offensive post-forcing habits (the offense is a thing of beauty without them) and the same terrible defense. I'm scared. I want to be wrong, but these basic mistakes are really frightening. He had a group who fought hard In the games we won, we shot ridiculous percentages from three (after Mac and Yurt go down). We had huge outlier games. I want there to be change. The road trip was impressive. But, the overall body of work is worrisome. I'm going to watch and support this team and monitor this, but I'm very frightened. I'm scared we haven't improved and we just wasted our time. Irrational: maybe. But are there tons of questions that need to be answered: you bet. I won't argue on D or boards. I agree there. I also agree that the best way to penetrate is with a five-out look and no post. We did do some of that. But it's simply not true that he touched the ball anywhere close to every time. He got a touch on five out of the fourteen possessions above (not counting rebounds). That's it. He got it three times in a post set. He scored once and he passed out of a double once for a wide open three. One time out of fourteen possessions he got a post touch and it ended with a bad possession. We tried to get Mosely going downhill with a staggered ball screen one possession....they jumped it (we got a good shot from it). I wasn't a fan of trying to post Pickett (or having Pickett try to be the post entry to Yurt). Both ended poorly. I agree on the double post. Tough to make work unless you actually get the ball in there. I guess my point is that I didn't see any systemic issue on offense. We tried different things. Predictably, some didnt work. One of the things that worked really well (our PG penetrating) was stymied to some degree by injury and by their decision to jump PNRs. We largely got open looks by posting Yurt during the first half of this sequence...so it wasn't crazy to try to lean on that late, particularly with our best option seemingly taken away.
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Post by joey0403p on Mar 12, 2020 8:59:41 GMT -5
Crappy end to crappy season
My one bright side take away is Ewing got the players to play hard, really hard. The effort was super high in nearly every game. That simple fact is why I turned on JTIII in the end and it took me a while.
Unfortunately, some questionable coaching decisions (but honestly, when you lose, you always have that), and the lack of available bodies and the fact that the bodies we did have weren’t “star level talent” (not trying to say anything bad about the guys, but they aren’t all league talent type guys), and the injuries to Mac and Yurt were just too much, they just were.
We were in contention in basically every game. We were on the bubble until the last two weeks or so. Maybe that’s a step in the right direction. Maybe that’s me hoping more than anything else.
Honestly, no clue what to think about next year. I don’t follow the recruiting stuff nearly as close as some of you. It seems the prevailing sentiment is we aren’t getting Jeff green, Otto porter type...but maybe someone is better than advertised. Or one of our existing guys makes huge leap. Maybe Ewing gets a bit more relaxed on the schedule (not completely I hope) then again maybe thst doesn’t help us.
Ugh - crappy year.
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Post by hoyainla on Mar 12, 2020 9:13:49 GMT -5
Breaking it down from the aspect of stalling meaning shooting late in the clock was not the point. We stalled by walking the ball up and letting them get set so we had to run a halfcourt offense versus a set defense which we struggle with. The announcer even said Ewing told the team unless you have a clear layup walk it up. That is asinine if he actually had a pulse of his team. Our offense runs best (like most) when we could get into our offense before the other team set up. To employ that strategy with 1/4 of the game left is awful. That would be like going prevent to start the 4th Q of a football game.
Plus/minus is far from a perfect stat but Q was +13 last night and Yurt was -21. Anderson said they decided in the 2H to spread it out and attack Yurt because obviously it was easy. If he was hurt or tired so be it. For Ewing not to notice that and leave him out there is as bad if not worse than the coaching decision above.
The only person who maybe had a worse night than Ewing was Blair. Going to be real interesting next season trying to put that animal back in his cage. As I have said for years Blair and Mac are essentially the same player. Blair does everything, except finish at the basket, slightly better. They are both great bench spark plugs but I have no idea what that dynamic looks like next year when as of right now they probably both think they are the #1 scoring option. I assume Mac goes back to his starting role next year and gets 30+ minutes. Not sure what that leaves Blair. If we really try to run Blair at SF next year, we’ll i don’t think we will be seeing that improved defense everyone wants to see.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Mar 12, 2020 9:59:41 GMT -5
I don't think anyone would doubt it, but this must have been the worst game time collapse in the Hoya bball history. I guess it was a fitting end to this crazy season. But thanks to the team for the fight in the last half of the season. I guess the team just ran out of steam. Thanks for the seniors and those who are not going to be here next year for our team.
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Post by mdtd on Mar 12, 2020 12:17:59 GMT -5
I mean he touched the ball just about every time so there's that. Also, his touches in a post set are different than those when he rolls or when he is given the ball and space. Him in a post up setting was bad. After the 8 minute TO, he should've been benched. Earlington was beating him and he wasn't right. It's not his fault he played at all. Allen was able to penetrate and get him good looks. Not many of these were created by Yurt himself. Also, I think Champagnie got the ball cleanly, but Brando and others saw otherwise, so I'm probably wrong. And just how many times he was forced it is crazy. The offense was best with guards (mainly Allen tonight) going downhill and creating plays. In all of the possessions with scores, Allen wither drove and drew a foul, drove and got an assist or drove and scored. Also, we should've slowed it down more. With Wahab bullying and forcing position, creating driving lanes for our guards and getting position for himself. I recognize Allen wasn't 100% after he got his cramps. But, Mosely could drive it. Pickett could try to create from the perimeter, as he was playing well up to this point. Or, we could've gone high low and abused their lack of size rather than using both blocks with no driving lanes and horrible spacing. It's bad coaching, bad sets just a lack of recognizing what's working and what isn't. And with him not taking accountability, much like JT3 at the end, I'm really scared we are back at square one. I really want to win one recruiting battle, get a grad transfer who can score, and be given some reason for optimism. I believe Ewing deserves another year. But I'm scared. I'm scared he isn't improving as a coach. I'm scared these mistakes repeat, as they have. I'm scared nothing changes for next year and we have the same staff, same offensive post-forcing habits (the offense is a thing of beauty without them) and the same terrible defense. I'm scared. I want to be wrong, but these basic mistakes are really frightening. He had a group who fought hard In the games we won, we shot ridiculous percentages from three (after Mac and Yurt go down). We had huge outlier games. I want there to be change. The road trip was impressive. But, the overall body of work is worrisome. I'm going to watch and support this team and monitor this, but I'm very frightened. I'm scared we haven't improved and we just wasted our time. Irrational: maybe. But are there tons of questions that need to be answered: you bet. I won't argue on D or boards. I agree there. I also agree that the best way to penetrate is with a five-out look and no post. We did do some of that. But it's simply not true that he touched the ball anywhere close to every time. He got a touch on five out of the fourteen possessions above (not counting rebounds). That's it. He got it three times in a post set. He scored once and he passed out of a double once for a wide open three. One time out of fourteen possessions he got a post touch and it ended with a bad possession. We tried to get Mosely going downhill with a staggered ball screen one possession....they jumped it (we got a good shot from it). I wasn't a fan of trying to post Pickett (or having Pickett try to be the post entry to Yurt). Both ended poorly. I agree on the double post. Tough to make work unless you actually get the ball in there. I guess my point is that I didn't see any systemic issue on offense. We tried different things. Predictably, some didnt work. One of the things that worked really well (our PG penetrating) was stymied to some degree by injury and by their decision to jump PNRs. We largely got open looks by posting Yurt during the first half of this sequence...so it wasn't crazy to try to lean on that late, particularly with our best option seemingly taken away. Ok, you're right I should've clarified attempted touches and touches. We ran no sets other than get him the ball until the Johnnies had all the momentum and the game was out of reach. Also, the idea of at least trying to get a player going downhill, as you mentioned, led to a good shot. We didn't really try much. Aside from the one Mosely play, and the forces by Allen and Blair, it felt as if every single play the idea was get it to Yurt and hope. The offense is excellent when it isn't forcing it to him. When his touches came naturally from the flow of the offense, it looked very pretty. Forcing the ball (OR ATTEMPTING TOO (I almost forgot this time, imagine how bad I'd look)) to Yurt was not a good option. It's not a good idea to force a shot, and it't not a good idea to force the ball to a player for him to force a shot. It won't work. If we had other offensive plans with Yurt getting the ball being the first goal, it would've been much better. But the plan was post Pickett and post Yurt. No backup plan. Against good competition, that won't work 95% of the time. It's time he learns that and doesn't try it nearly as much. It can work in spots, but for a large period of time, it's due to fail. A good trapping defensive team made it look bad. If we had a play for anticipating the trap, then this could work. But we didn't. We had so many other options rather than sticking with what's broke. And not calling a TO to at least try to change something is embarrassing. Not seeing anything change out of the media TO is embarrassing.
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Post by hsaxon on Mar 12, 2020 12:25:24 GMT -5
Here were the possessions down the stretch, beginning at 10 min mark (that's when sideline reporter said Pat wanted to slow game down): 9:50...up nine, Blair takes a horrific three completely the opposite of what we were just told. 935...up nine, immediate dribble penetration by Allen from horns set draws foul. On OOB play we post Yurt for a basket to go up 11. 900....up eight. Same horns look. Allen tries to penetrate. Yurt rolls. Leads to quick entry to Yurt who is fouled and makes one. 815...up nine...Nice post entry to Yurt who is sort of fouled while going up for his patented almost dunk. Makes one again. Thats three straight possessions we successfully go to Yurt. 730...up ten. High PNR Jagan and Yurt. Yurt rolls, but Pickett shoots a contested three with ten to shoot. Misses. 650...up eight. Yurt and Allen PNR. Allen refuses screen and scores layup. Gets hurt. There's no stalling of any kind to this point. Yurt has touched it exactly three times and scored three times. 600....up seven. Bad possession leads to Blair throwing a running layup that misses. Yurt offensive board. Now we do stall a bit. Look for Yurt but it's not open. Robinson drives and tries to kick but charges. 440...up five. We try to run a staggered high screen for Mosely but they jump it. We deal with it well and reverse to Allen for a wide open three with 13 to shoot. Misses 407...up two now. Get ball to Yurt in post. He is tripled. Passes well to Allen, who kicks to Blair for wide open three. Misses with 13 to shoot. 342...up two. This is a post heavy set. We get it to Yurt. He's doubled and kicks but no outside shot. To Yurt again. He's doubled again. Kicks to Blair who has Jagan for a wide open corner three but doesn't give him the ball until he's covered. Ball to Pickett in post who has awful turnover. 310. tied. We try to get Yurt in post. Pickett ball fakes to him and decides to shoot a three. Misses by 15 feet. With 18 to shoot 230. Down three. We do try to force Yurt here. He's doubled without the ball. Jagan forces the next pass from way up high and it's picked off. Yurt did have very good position to be fair to Jagan. Just a really bad pass. 200. PNR with Allen and Yurt. Allen rims out a three. St John's makes another three. The game is functionally over. They're up seven. I mean....we didn't really stall at all. There weren't any shots with the clock winding down and several quick ones. Maybe we SHOULD have stalled!!!! In this segment of the game, every time Yurt touched the ball something good happened. Literally. It didnt seem like that at all! Yurt seem to fumble the ball a lot. He was often double-teamed. But all that patented stuff he did earlier in the season did not happen for him or us tonight. He did not have a great game, nor did he make anyone around him better, in my opinion. Coach took Wahab out and never looked for him again. He put his confidence in Yurt and we did not get good results.
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Post by hsaxon on Mar 12, 2020 12:26:19 GMT -5
Not playing Qudus for the final 16 minutes seems inexplicable. Qudus was more impactful than Omer in the first half.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 12, 2020 14:24:43 GMT -5
Not playing Qudus for the final 16 minutes seems inexplicable. Qudus was more impactful than Omer in the first half. Agree absolutely. Wahab really seemed to be bothering Johnnies on defense, unlike Yurt. As many on this Board now I'm a big Ewing supporter but I think he screwed up by keeping Yurt on the court too long.
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