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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 11, 2020 21:02:57 GMT -5
Except that, well, he didn't play Yurt exclusively over Wahab as your numbers make clear. They split time. I would have put Wahab in the game along with Yurt rather than try to steal time with a 5th string guard. But that's a different issue (and frankly I'm not sure it cost us). I thought Wahab was better than Yurt tonight, don't get me wrong. But I didn't think Yurt was the reason we lost the game. I completely disagree with this. His plan was to run the four guys (Robinson very sparingly) and swap Yurt and Q out. They never saw the floor together. He played Yurt over Wahab. It's coaching malpractice. He should've done something to change the tides. Instead he did nothing. He changed nothing. He could've went with two bigs and a high low game. That could've worked. He didn't consider it, it seems. He swapped one for the other. He played Yurt over Wahab. I absolutely would have played the two together. I would have immediately done it when our PG went out injured with the game tightening. As I think I said above, I would have gone offense / defense with them at a minimum.
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Post by dchoya72 on Mar 11, 2020 21:03:43 GMT -5
And no choice really to play him 40min a game And right after the announcers said Ewing told the team to slow it down, Blair comes down court and immediately jacks up a three. If there were anyone to sub in, he would’ve been yanked. I heard that and saw that too.
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Post by dchoya72 on Mar 11, 2020 21:06:28 GMT -5
What is next? We don't need the NIT!!!
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Post by rlo24 on Mar 11, 2020 21:09:02 GMT -5
What is next? We don't need the NIT!!! NIT will be canceled like the CIT was
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Post by mdtd on Mar 11, 2020 21:09:47 GMT -5
What is next? We don't need the NIT!!! The off season. Seven months of no Hoyas basketball. Seven months of waiting. Seven months of nothing. Seven months of hoping we can get recruits and transfers. Seven months of hoping we get an assistant to fix our defense. Seven months of hoping Ewing doesn't slow down the schedule. Seven months of hoping the guys come out hungry and work hard. Seven months of hoping coach Crouch can improve these guys and work wonders. Seven months of patience.
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 11, 2020 21:10:44 GMT -5
What a depressing end to a depressing season. I feel sorry for the kids who played so hard under such adverse circumstances to end the season that way.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 11, 2020 21:13:53 GMT -5
Walk on Jaden Robinson came in and promptly made a bunch of bad plays and that was it.
At least this season and tournament are going to be cancelled so it's actually kind of good that we don't have a team that could have gone far in the tournament.
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Post by dchoya72 on Mar 11, 2020 21:17:30 GMT -5
It was tough seeing Terrell Allen cramping up like that. They left it all out there.
There was a moment when I saw a look in Coach's eye that read, oh not again and we were several points,but kept turning it over.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 11, 2020 21:29:22 GMT -5
Not only have we lost 4 straight BET games, we’ve lost 3 of them on Weds night now. Embarrassing look for a program. Hurts my eyes, head & heart to read this stat...
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 11, 2020 21:33:53 GMT -5
Ewing didn’t shoot airballs on open threes twice like Pickett. Ewing didn’t have more turnovers than points in his final game like Mosely. Ewing didn’t shoot 2-14 on threes like Blair. He did a terrible coaching job in the last ten minutes, but there’s lots of blame to go around. Ewing did have horrible sets forcing some of those bad shots. Ewing did not open up the game. Ewing did not prepare a defense. Ewing did not help his guys who needed it. Ewing did not play his best center tonight (just for tonight, Yurt is the better player) and failed his team. His sets created bad shots. His substitutions failed his guys. He didn't play his most capable lineup. He failed. He tried to play a brand of basketball that didn't work. He failed tonight. Mosely wasn't perfect, neither was Blair or Pickett. But they would've been better if he didn't run the same three out two in set and force the ball on the block to an injured center. If he allowed for dribble penetration rather than shrinking the floor, I don't think Mosely has as many turnovers and I can guarantee that Blair isn't 2/14 from deep and Pickett doesn't air ball two threes. Also, that first one wasn't open. He was leaning off of what I thought was a bad pass. At least that's how I saw it. I could be remembering wrong. Here were the possessions down the stretch, beginning at 10 min mark (that's when sideline reporter said Pat wanted to slow game down): 9:50...up nine, Blair takes a horrific three completely the opposite of what we were just told. 935...up nine, immediate dribble penetration by Allen from horns set draws foul. On OOB play we post Yurt for a basket to go up 11. 900....up eight. Same horns look. Allen tries to penetrate. Yurt rolls. Leads to quick entry to Yurt who is fouled and makes one. 815...up nine...Nice post entry to Yurt who is sort of fouled while going up for his patented almost dunk. Makes one again. Thats three straight possessions we successfully go to Yurt. 730...up ten. High PNR Jagan and Yurt. Yurt rolls, but Pickett shoots a contested three with ten to shoot. Misses. 650...up eight. Yurt and Allen PNR. Allen refuses screen and scores layup. Gets hurt. There's no stalling of any kind to this point. Yurt has touched it exactly three times and scored three times. 600....up seven. Bad possession leads to Blair throwing a running layup that misses. Yurt offensive board. Now we do stall a bit. Look for Yurt but it's not open. Robinson drives and tries to kick but charges. 440...up five. We try to run a staggered high screen for Mosely but they jump it. We deal with it well and reverse to Allen for a wide open three with 13 to shoot. Misses 407...up two now. Get ball to Yurt in post. He is tripled. Passes well to Allen, who kicks to Blair for wide open three. Misses with 13 to shoot. 342...up two. This is a post heavy set. We get it to Yurt. He's doubled and kicks but no outside shot. To Yurt again. He's doubled again. Kicks to Blair who has Jagan for a wide open corner three but doesn't give him the ball until he's covered. Ball to Pickett in post who has awful turnover. 310. tied. We try to get Yurt in post. Pickett ball fakes to him and decides to shoot a three. Misses by 15 feet. With 18 to shoot 230. Down three. We do try to force Yurt here. He's doubled without the ball. Jagan forces the next pass from way up high and it's picked off. Yurt did have very good position to be fair to Jagan. Just a really bad pass. 200. PNR with Allen and Yurt. Allen rims out a three. St John's makes another three. The game is functionally over. They're up seven. I mean....we didn't really stall at all. There weren't any shots with the clock winding down and several quick ones. Maybe we SHOULD have stalled!!!! In this segment of the game, every time Yurt touched the ball something good happened. Literally.
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Post by chep3 on Mar 11, 2020 21:35:51 GMT -5
Not only have we lost 4 straight BET games, we’ve lost 3 of them on Weds night now. Embarrassing look for a program. Hurts my eyes, head & heart to read this stat... We're basically St. John's circa 2008, so this fits.
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 11, 2020 21:40:28 GMT -5
If the BET gets cancelled and the NCAA does the loss count? Does this count as a missed tournament for us?
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Post by hoyainla on Mar 11, 2020 21:54:30 GMT -5
When they cancel the BET tomorrow does this game count? Asking for a few Ewing supporters.
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Post by mdtd on Mar 11, 2020 21:56:44 GMT -5
Ewing did have horrible sets forcing some of those bad shots. Ewing did not open up the game. Ewing did not prepare a defense. Ewing did not help his guys who needed it. Ewing did not play his best center tonight (just for tonight, Yurt is the better player) and failed his team. His sets created bad shots. His substitutions failed his guys. He didn't play his most capable lineup. He failed. He tried to play a brand of basketball that didn't work. He failed tonight. Mosely wasn't perfect, neither was Blair or Pickett. But they would've been better if he didn't run the same three out two in set and force the ball on the block to an injured center. If he allowed for dribble penetration rather than shrinking the floor, I don't think Mosely has as many turnovers and I can guarantee that Blair isn't 2/14 from deep and Pickett doesn't air ball two threes. Also, that first one wasn't open. He was leaning off of what I thought was a bad pass. At least that's how I saw it. I could be remembering wrong. Here were the possessions down the stretch, beginning at 10 min mark (that's when sideline reporter said Pat wanted to slow game down): 9:50...up nine, Blair takes a horrific three completely the opposite of what we were just told. ( MDTD'S EDIT: This was really bad. I was screaming at my TV like a psycho after this) 935... up nine, immediate dribble penetration by Allen from horns set draws foul. On OOB play we post Yurt for a basket to go up 11.900....up eight. Same horns look. Allen tries to penetrate. Yurt rolls. Leads to quick entry to Yurt who is fouled and makes one. 815...up nine... Nice post entry to Yurt who is sort of fouled while going up for his patented almost dunk. Makes one again. Thats three straight possessions we successfully go to Yurt. 730...up ten. High PNR Jagan and Yurt. Yurt rolls, but Pickett shoots a contested three with ten to shoot. Misses. 650...up eight. Yurt and Allen PNR. Allen refuses screen and scores layup. Gets hurt.There's no stalling of any kind to this point. Yurt has touched it exactly three times and scored three times. 600....up seven. Bad possession leads to Blair throwing a running layup that misses. Yurt offensive board. Now we do stall a bit. Look for Yurt but it's not open. Robinson drives and tries to kick but charges. 440...up five. We try to run a staggered high screen for Mosely but they jump it. We deal with it well and reverse to Allen for a wide open three with 13 to shoot. Misses 407...up two now. Get ball to Yurt in post. He is tripled. Passes well to Allen, who kicks to Blair for wide open three. Misses with 13 to shoot. 342...up two. This is a post heavy set. We get it to Yurt. He's doubled and kicks but no outside shot. To Yurt again. He's doubled again. Kicks to Blair who has Jagan for a wide open corner three but doesn't give him the ball until he's covered. Ball to Pickett in post who has awful turnover. 310. tied. We try to get Yurt in post. Pickett ball fakes to him and decides to shoot a three. Misses by 15 feet. With 18 to shoot 230. Down three. We do try to force Yurt here. He's doubled without the ball. Jagan forces the next pass from way up high and it's picked off. Yurt did have very good position to be fair to Jagan. Just a really bad pass. I mean he touched the ball just about every time so there's that. Also, his touches in a post set are different than those when he rolls or when he is given the ball and space. Him in a post up setting was bad. After the 8 minute TO, he should've been benched. Earlington was beating him and he wasn't right. It's not his fault he played at all. Allen was able to penetrate and get him good looks. Not many of these were created by Yurt himself. Also, I think Champagnie got the ball cleanly, but Brando and others saw otherwise, so I'm probably wrong. And just how many times he was forced it is crazy. The offense was best with guards (mainly Allen tonight) going downhill and creating plays. In all of the possessions with scores, Allen wither drove and drew a foul, drove and got an assist or drove and scored. Also, we should've slowed it down more. With Wahab bullying and forcing position, creating driving lanes for our guards and getting position for himself. I recognize Allen wasn't 100% after he got his cramps. But, Mosely could drive it. Pickett could try to create from the perimeter, as he was playing well up to this point. Or, we could've gone high low and abused their lack of size rather than using both blocks with no driving lanes and horrible spacing. It's bad coaching, bad sets just a lack of recognizing what's working and what isn't. And with him not taking accountability, much like JT3 at the end, I'm really scared we are back at square one. I really want to win one recruiting battle, get a grad transfer who can score, and be given some reason for optimism. I believe Ewing deserves another year. But I'm scared. I'm scared he isn't improving as a coach. I'm scared these mistakes repeat, as they have. I'm scared nothing changes for next year and we have the same staff, same offensive post-forcing habits (the offense is a thing of beauty without them) and the same terrible defense. I'm scared. I want to be wrong, but these basic mistakes are really frightening. He had a group who fought hard In the games we won, we shot ridiculous percentages from three (after Mac and Yurt go down). We had huge outlier games. I want there to be change. The road trip was impressive. But, the overall body of work is worrisome. I'm going to watch and support this team and monitor this, but I'm very frightened. I'm scared we haven't improved and we just wasted our time. Irrational: maybe. But are there tons of questions that need to be answered: you bet.
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Post by hoya137 on Mar 11, 2020 21:57:53 GMT -5
Ewing failed this team tonight. He proved all of his detractors right tonight. His coaching down the stretch was downright embarrassing. He better take full accountability. He failed the guys who worked every single day. He failed all of them. His sets were terrible. Forcing it into the post every time??? This isn't 1990 anymore. And throwing it to an injured Yurt? Where he's turned it over in the double multiple times??? When our guards were getting downhill well, too. Also more importantly, WHY THE HELL IS Q OUT OF THE GAME FOR AN INJURED YURTSEVEN? ?? Yurtseven played hard and just wasn't ready for this one. He was clearly playing hurt. But Q would've been a much better option. As would Ighoefe. We needed toughness and speed on the perimeter and aggressiveness inside. Q gave you exactly that. What was the reason for keeping him out? And why the hell was he waiting so long to call a TO? What else could've happened?? You had two of them. You can't save them up for next season!!! Use them. Your guys were tired, looking for guidance, looking to play and you failed to provide that. Losing again at MSG. Sucking in the postseason. It's embarrassing. This is it with moral victories. I'm tired of it. This is it. Ewing needs to show something next season. It's time to win something. Winning a recruiting battle, winning a big game, winning support or something. It's time to do something. No room for moral victories. It's tiring. The first team out at MSG again. It's embarrassing. He needs something. Does he need better assistants? Kirby has brought in just about every recruit we have. Does he need something else? Does he need someone to help him in-game? He needs someone who can fix the defense. The Johnnies had open look after open look. They just missed them. It's embarrassing losing every time here. It's embarrassing not winning meaningful games. One year left to make an impression. Take it. Very well put. As silly as it sounds, the short bench has actually shielded Ewing from criticism most of the year because he didn't really have decisions to make. Tonight, he finally had a good option in Q ... and after playing very well earlier in the game, Ewiing had him sit for16 minutes while the lead slipped away. Just unfathomable. All that coaching experience on the sideline (assistants too)...and that's what we get? The players deserve better.
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Post by mdtd on Mar 11, 2020 22:00:37 GMT -5
Ewing failed this team tonight. He proved all of his detractors right tonight. His coaching down the stretch was downright embarrassing. He better take full accountability. He failed the guys who worked every single day. He failed all of them. His sets were terrible. Forcing it into the post every time??? This isn't 1990 anymore. And throwing it to an injured Yurt? Where he's turned it over in the double multiple times??? When our guards were getting downhill well, too. Also more importantly, WHY THE HELL IS Q OUT OF THE GAME FOR AN INJURED YURTSEVEN? ?? Yurtseven played hard and just wasn't ready for this one. He was clearly playing hurt. But Q would've been a much better option. As would Ighoefe. We needed toughness and speed on the perimeter and aggressiveness inside. Q gave you exactly that. What was the reason for keeping him out? And why the hell was he waiting so long to call a TO? What else could've happened?? You had two of them. You can't save them up for next season!!! Use them. Your guys were tired, looking for guidance, looking to play and you failed to provide that. Losing again at MSG. Sucking in the postseason. It's embarrassing. This is it with moral victories. I'm tired of it. This is it. Ewing needs to show something next season. It's time to win something. Winning a recruiting battle, winning a big game, winning support or something. It's time to do something. No room for moral victories. It's tiring. The first team out at MSG again. It's embarrassing. He needs something. Does he need better assistants? Kirby has brought in just about every recruit we have. Does he need something else? Does he need someone to help him in-game? He needs someone who can fix the defense. The Johnnies had open look after open look. They just missed them. It's embarrassing losing every time here. It's embarrassing not winning meaningful games. One year left to make an impression. Take it. Very well put. As silly as it sounds, the short bench has actually shielded Ewing from criticism most of the year because he didn't really have decisions to make. Tonight, he finally had a good option in Q ... and after playing very well earlier in the game, Ewiing had him sit for16 minutes while the lead slipped away. Just unfathomable. All that coaching experience on the sideline (assistants too)...and that's what we get? The players deserve better. That's my fear. Did he learn from his poor rotations early in the season, or did he luck into (for lack of a better phrase) this short handed lineup of guys willing to fight? We will only figure this out if we hear about redshirts/watch the games next year. A lot of questions. A lot of time.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 11, 2020 22:01:54 GMT -5
When they cancel the BET tomorrow does this game count? Asking for a few Ewing supporters. From time to time you make valid points and seem to really know basketball and I appreciate those posts / contributions. But a post like this, when tonight’s loss is really raw and painful for most of us, suggests that you really do have an agenda and are just a Edited bag. Please just go away and root for another team. The above post makes it really clear you are a troll and not a fan.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 11, 2020 22:06:14 GMT -5
Ewing failed this team tonight. He proved all of his detractors right tonight. His coaching down the stretch was downright embarrassing. He better take full accountability. He failed the guys who worked every single day. He failed all of them. His sets were terrible. Forcing it into the post every time??? This isn't 1990 anymore. And throwing it to an injured Yurt? Where he's turned it over in the double multiple times??? When our guards were getting downhill well, too. Also more importantly, WHY THE HELL IS Q OUT OF THE GAME FOR AN INJURED YURTSEVEN? ?? Yurtseven played hard and just wasn't ready for this one. He was clearly playing hurt. But Q would've been a much better option. As would Ighoefe. We needed toughness and speed on the perimeter and aggressiveness inside. Q gave you exactly that. What was the reason for keeping him out? And why the hell was he waiting so long to call a TO? What else could've happened?? You had two of them. You can't save them up for next season!!! Use them. Your guys were tired, looking for guidance, looking to play and you failed to provide that. Losing again at MSG. Sucking in the postseason. It's embarrassing. This is it with moral victories. I'm tired of it. This is it. Ewing needs to show something next season. It's time to win something. Winning a recruiting battle, winning a big game, winning support or something. It's time to do something. No room for moral victories. It's tiring. The first team out at MSG again. It's embarrassing. He needs something. Does he need better assistants? Kirby has brought in just about every recruit we have. Does he need something else? Does he need someone to help him in-game? He needs someone who can fix the defense. The Johnnies had open look after open look. They just missed them. It's embarrassing losing every time here. It's embarrassing not winning meaningful games. One year left to make an impression. Take it. Very well put. As silly as it sounds, the short bench has actually shielded Ewing from criticism most of the year because he didn't really have decisions to make. Tonight, he finally had a good option in Q ... and after playing very well earlier in the game, Ewiing had him sit for16 minutes while the lead slipped away. Just unfathomable. All that coaching experience on the sideline (assistants too)...and that's what we get? The players deserve better. Coach was in a difficult spot. Once Terrell went down and Jaden fumbled around the whole time out there believe he just went with loyalty since Omer sat our a year only to see his senior year ruined by the quitters Akinjo and crew.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 11, 2020 22:14:12 GMT -5
I just heard from a source of unknown reliability that Mac wasn't at game because he is scheduled for surgery. The source is a retired medical professional. Admin: Delete if violates board rules. Ewing said postgame that Mac had a procedure this week and went home.
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Post by mdtd on Mar 11, 2020 22:18:53 GMT -5
Very well put. As silly as it sounds, the short bench has actually shielded Ewing from criticism most of the year because he didn't really have decisions to make. Tonight, he finally had a good option in Q ... and after playing very well earlier in the game, Ewiing had him sit for16 minutes while the lead slipped away. Just unfathomable. All that coaching experience on the sideline (assistants too)...and that's what we get? The players deserve better. Coach was in a difficult spot. Once Terrell went down and Jaden fumbled around the whole time out there believe he just went with loyalty since Omer sat our a year only to see his senior year ruined by the quitters Akinjo and crew. Go big with Yurt and Wahab. Sit Allen. A high low game with a tough big man and a capable big passer who both draw significant attention against a smaller lineup should work. That wasn't even attempted. He didn't adjust anything. He kept everything the way it was. It's super frustrating. This isn't the first time he's reverted to force it to the post and hope. Hopefully it's one of the last times. Or he could've played Allen and ran better sets instead of forcing it to the injured player. Run your actual solid plays. Do what you do best. His tendency to revert to forcing it to the post in tough situations has really shown. We can't blame everything on the transfers (Also can we call Myron/Galen quitters after what happened to them? That seems like a bit of a stretch imo). Has coach improved? Has the defense gotten better? Will it get better? I mean the Johnnies had so many open looks from deep in this game. Has he learned to take accountability? And has he learned from his rotation mistakes? There are too many questions at this point. Coach deserves another season, but if he doesn't show improvement, it might be time to move on. He needs to give us something to be optimistic for. He needs to win another recruiting/transfer battle. He needs to keep u the harder schedule. He needs to prove to us that he is learning and is going to improve. Tonight was embarrassing. Give him time sure, but too much time and we could get DePaul'd. We need to have a sense of urgency for improvement. He's had enough time. Time to prove something. Prove to the world you can coach. He deserves another season. But, he better come out with a sense of urgency and have shown improvement.
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