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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 8, 2020 10:02:32 GMT -5
Desperately want this group of young warriors to feel the joy of victory at least one more time. No more sloppy turnovers. Fight for every rebound and every loose ball. Hoya Saxa!
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Post by todd2156 on Mar 8, 2020 10:39:45 GMT -5
Same Here! Felt bad for the team on yesterday.
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Post by mdtd on Mar 8, 2020 11:25:37 GMT -5
St. John's is coming off of two huge wins. Against a team who the Hoyas match up pretty well with, it's not a bad let down spot for the Johnnies. The Johnnies want to speed you up and press, something that doesn't really work against a team with veteran guards who also want to play pretty fast. The Johnnies don't really have a big man and the Hoyas have two solid bigs if Omer plays. Still, Q could take advantage of that matchup if he doesn't. The Hoyas struggle at guarding the three-point line, St. John's is T237 in the country, shooting 32.1% from deep.
It's a solid matchup in a good spot. Now, it is hard to beat a team that is of similar quality to you three times. But, the Hoyas have matchup advantages. It's time to take on in the BET. Don't let the season end on this stupid Wednesday.
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Post by drquigley on Mar 8, 2020 17:03:00 GMT -5
St. John's is coming off of two huge wins. Against a team who the Hoyas match up pretty well with, it's not a bad let down spot for the Johnnies. The Johnnies want to speed you up and press, something that doesn't really work against a team with veteran guards who also want to play pretty fast. The Johnnies don't really have a big man and the Hoyas have two solid bigs if Omer plays. Still, Q could take advantage of that matchup if he doesn't. The Hoyas struggle at guarding the three-point line, St. John's is T237 in the country, shooting 32.1% from deep. It's a slid matchup in a good spot. Now, it is hard to beat a team that is of similar quality to you three times. But, the Hoyas have matchup advantages. It's time to take on in the BET. Don't let the season end on this stupid Wednesday. Didn't St. John's just light it up from 3 a week ago against Creighton?
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Post by mdtd on Mar 8, 2020 17:41:31 GMT -5
St. John's is coming off of two huge wins. Against a team who the Hoyas match up pretty well with, it's not a bad let down spot for the Johnnies. The Johnnies want to speed you up and press, something that doesn't really work against a team with veteran guards who also want to play pretty fast. The Johnnies don't really have a big man and the Hoyas have two solid bigs if Omer plays. Still, Q could take advantage of that matchup if he doesn't. The Hoyas struggle at guarding the three-point line, St. John's is T237 in the country, shooting 32.1% from deep. It's a solid matchup in a good spot. Now, it is hard to beat a team that is of similar quality to you three times. But, the Hoyas have matchup advantages. It's time to take on in the BET. Don't let the season end on this stupid Wednesday. Didn't St. John's just light it up from 3 a week ago against Creighton? Yes, they were 14/22. Outliers happen. They've shot it better recently, but they've only made 6 threes against Butler and 9 against Marquette, going 6/16 and 9/22. They aren't a team that's really going to kill you from outside.
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Post by s4hoyas on Mar 8, 2020 23:05:38 GMT -5
We have to defend like we did against Villanova for the most part...and we have to bounce back emotionally and not let them WANT the game more than us...share the rock on O...work inside out...shoot it in the flow...always be moving without the ball...make our f/ts...Go Hoyas!
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Post by joey0403p on Mar 8, 2020 23:22:45 GMT -5
JUST for arguments sake, how many wins does it take to get invited to NIT? To NCAA?
I think NIT is zero or one.
NCAA, I think in the finals would do it?
Thoughts?
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 9, 2020 6:12:41 GMT -5
If there was ever a such thing as the “easiest” path for us to Friday it’s games against SJ and Creighton, teams we are 3-1 against this year.
Maybe all the bad luck will reverse itself with a magical week at MSG?! The way this year has gone I honestly won’t be surprised by anything at this point.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 9, 2020 6:28:37 GMT -5
JUST for arguments sake, how many wins does it take to get invited to NIT? To NCAA? I think NIT is zero or one. NCAA, I think in the finals would do it? Thoughts? I don't think anything short of winning the BET would get us a bid at this point. We'd be 18-17 under your scenario. I believe that would be the worst record to ever get a bid. Although we'd end up with a ton of Q1 wins....we'd also have an incredible number of losses. In fact, we'd be below .500 in Q1-3 games. Again....that's not the ticket to a bid. There'd just be too many reasons to keep us out. I suppose it is plausible that getting to the finals would do it if (1) there are abnormally few bid thieves in conference tourneys; (2) a bunch of teams on the bubble take bad losses this week; and (3) Mac and Yurt both play, thus giving the committee reason to discount some of our losses without them. Under that scenario, I'd watch hopefully on Sunday, but I'd be shocked if we got a bid. The NIT? Since the field is relatively small and the number of automatic bids so variable, it's nearly impossible to say right now. I mean, there's 20+ conferences that likely get a single bid to the NCAAT. If any of the regular season champs in those leagues lose in their tourneys, they get an NIT bid. That's a big range and variable! In any event, I think we'd almost surely have to win two games to get a bid. I just don't see them giving a bid to a sub-.500 team no matter what their official criteria are.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 9, 2020 10:25:35 GMT -5
The NIT? Since the field is relatively small and the number of automatic bids so variable, it's nearly impossible to say right now. I mean, there's 20+ conferences that likely get a single bid to the NCAAT. If any of the regular season champs in those leagues lose in their tourneys, they get an NIT bid. That's a big range and variable! In any event, I think we'd almost surely have to win two games to get a bid. I just don't see them giving a bid to a sub-.500 team no matter what their official criteria are. Even without the autobids, at least according to Bracket Matrix, we aren't even listed among the teams closest to the bubble, with about 20+ at large type teams ahead of us. Without at least 2, maybe 3 wins, the NIT is not happening.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Mar 9, 2020 10:59:21 GMT -5
The NIT? Since the field is relatively small and the number of automatic bids so variable, it's nearly impossible to say right now. I mean, there's 20+ conferences that likely get a single bid to the NCAAT. If any of the regular season champs in those leagues lose in their tourneys, they get an NIT bid. That's a big range and variable! In any event, I think we'd almost surely have to win two games to get a bid. I just don't see them giving a bid to a sub-.500 team no matter what their official criteria are. Even without the autobids, at least according to Bracket Matrix, we aren't even listed among the teams closest to the bubble, with about 20+ at large type teams ahead of us. Without at least 2, maybe 3 wins, the NIT is not happening. Though keep in mind that Bracket Matrix isn't great for predicting the NIT field. They only list teams that are included in current NCAA brackets, and there's no way anyone is listing Georgetown in a bracket right now. But I agree with you that Georgetown is on the outside of an NIT bracket unless they get a couple more wins. It's not even about the 500 record (ok, it's partly that), but it's more that the 6 game losing streak really hurt the overall profile of the Hoyas.
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Post by mdtd on Mar 9, 2020 11:32:22 GMT -5
JUST for arguments sake, how many wins does it take to get invited to NIT? To NCAA? I think NIT is zero or one. NCAA, I think in the finals would do it? Thoughts? I don't think anything short of winning the BET would get us a bid at this point. We'd be 18-17 under your scenario. I believe that would be the worst record to ever get a bid. Although we'd end up with a ton of Q1 wins....we'd also have an incredible number of losses. In fact, we'd be below .500 in Q1-3 games. Again....that's not the ticket to a bid. There'd just be too many reasons to keep us out. I suppose it is plausible that getting to the finals would do it if (1) there are abnormally few bid thieves in conference tourneys; (2) a bunch of teams on the bubble take bad losses this week; and (3) Mac and Yurt both play, thus giving the committee reason to discount some of our losses without them. Under that scenario, I'd watch hopefully on Sunday, but I'd be shocked if we got a bid. The NIT? Since the field is relatively small and the number of automatic bids so variable, it's nearly impossible to say right now. I mean, there's 20+ conferences that likely get a single bid to the NCAAT. If any of the regular season champs in those leagues lose in their tourneys, they get an NIT bid. That's a big range and variable! In any event, I think we'd almost surely have to win two games to get a bid. I just don't see them giving a bid to a sub-.500 team no matter what their official criteria are. If we beat Nova, three would do. We didn't and it won't. Unless someone can find some stats and get the committees attention with Mac+Yurt results vs non, there is no chance. Even with that information, three doesn't do most likely. Everything said in aleutianhoya's post is accurate.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Mar 9, 2020 12:10:32 GMT -5
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Post by LCPolo18 on Mar 9, 2020 16:01:57 GMT -5
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 9, 2020 18:20:20 GMT -5
If Creighton is under-manned there is a massive opportunity for us if we can get by SJ.
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Post by jester on Mar 9, 2020 18:39:56 GMT -5
The committee does take personnel into account in selection. However, agree you need to be closer to the bubble, and even if we had beaten DePaul and Nova, we still may have needed to win tournament. Its a very remote chance, especially considering roster and time off by players. If we get to the finals, just happy to have the argument. There are some teams that I think have better records but less upside / quality wins than us but we need all the wins we can get to help our case.
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Mar 9, 2020 21:15:13 GMT -5
We havent beaten SJU in the BET since my senior year.
And Alonzo's.
Let's change that on Wednesday.
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Post by joey0403p on Mar 9, 2020 21:16:39 GMT -5
Hard to beat a team three times in a season....re at johns....
Debating going down to garden Wednesday.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 9, 2020 21:47:41 GMT -5
We have lost our last six games and SJU have won their last two. Could be our last game.
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Post by s4hoyas on Mar 9, 2020 22:25:29 GMT -5
Could be their last game too...there's a reason we've beaten them twice...Go Hoyas!
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