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Post by BigmanU on Aug 20, 2020 15:37:28 GMT -5
If JYD was a little too overly enthusiastic in trying to get into Collins’ ear and repetitively putting in a good word about Georgetown then so be it. Even if it backfired I think the program can live with that just so long as he wasn’t going beyond certain boundaries. Isn’t that what Hoya fans have been almost pleading for the bball alum with connections to do in the first place? Try to help (legally) steer recruits to the program? Well apparently that’s what JYD tried to do. And if he failed because he was clumsy about it at least his heart was in the right place and how can I hold it against him? To be frank (no pun intended) it would be one thing if Collins was some generational talent but from all I gathered about him he seems to be regarded as a top 40-ish-50ish recruit. Would have been nice to have him but in the end he doesn’t appear to be some program changer. My issue is I don’t buy the dad’s reason for why his son did not choose Georgetown. You’re telling me that some Hoya alumni (who played in the NBA and has a good track record in basketball grassroots) being a little too exuberant in the unofficial recruiting pitch was the main factor in turning Collins off in regards to the Hoyas? Please. Even if I accept whole-heartedly the father’s take on what went down (and why should I) that seems like a minor thing to get worked up about after the family had established a good rapport with the Georgetown staff. If the family thought the Hoya staff had ordered JYD to give the hard sell they could have discussed this with the staff and this stuff would have never come to light and would have been resolved/ My assumption is that competitors used the disastrous off-court issues of last season’s team as a way to knock down the program in the minds of the family, making them rethink their view of the program. And that allowed Juwan “Works Half As Hard” Howard the room to maneuver and snatch a player away. If I have any criticism of JYD it is his decision to go to social media and blab away his feelings regarding Collins’ choice and how he thought something the parents told him (regarding Ryan Mutombo) was wrong headed. No need for that, who would force you into even coming out with such a statement (which convinced me the Hoya staff had nothing to do with any overly aggressiveness on Jerome’s part)? But the dad escalated it further IMO with his response and putdown of JYD. Not only was that unnecessarily personal and petty, it also was an intentional attempt to lay the blame at the Hoyas losing out on Collins at JYD’s feet. That’s cold. I can’t believe people in this thread are crying over this and on the verge of throwing under the bus a successful Hoya alum who has a class reputation and always have had the program’s back. What’s up with that? Wish I could smash the like button on this, Great take MCI!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2020 15:38:45 GMT -5
If JYD was a little too overly enthusiastic in trying to get into Collins’ ear and repetitively putting in a good word about Georgetown then so be it. Even if it backfired I think the program can live with that just so long as he wasn’t going beyond certain boundaries. Isn’t that what Hoya fans have been almost pleading for the bball alum with connections to do in the first place? Try to help (legally) steer recruits to the program? Well apparently that’s what JYD tried to do. And if he failed because he was clumsy about it at least his heart was in the right place and how can I hold it against him? To be frank (no pun intended) it would be one thing if Collins was some generational talent but from all I gathered about him he seems to be regarded as a top 40-ish-50ish recruit. Would have been nice to have him but in the end he doesn’t appear to be some program changer. My issue is I don’t buy the dad’s reason for why his son did not choose Georgetown. You’re telling me that some Hoya alumni (who played in the NBA and has a good track record in basketball grassroots) being a little too exuberant in the unofficial recruiting pitch was the main factor in turning Collins off in regards to the Hoyas? Please. Even if I accept whole-heartedly the father’s take on what went down (and why should I) that seems like a minor thing to get worked up about after the family had established a good rapport with the Georgetown staff. If the family thought the Hoya staff had ordered JYD to give the hard sell they could have discussed this with the staff and this stuff would have never come to light and would have been resolved/ My assumption is that competitors used the disastrous off-court issues of last season’s team as a way to knock down the program in the minds of the family, making them rethink their view of the program. And that allowed Juwan “Works Half As Hard” Howard the room to maneuver and snatch a player away. If I have any criticism of JYD it is his decision to go to social media and blab away his feelings regarding Collins’ choice and how he thought something the parents told him (regarding Ryan Mutombo) was wrong headed. No need for that, who would force you into even coming out with such a statement (which convinced me the Hoya staff had nothing to do with any overly aggressiveness on Jerome’s part)? But the dad escalated it further IMO with his response and putdown of JYD. Not only was that unnecessarily personal and petty, it also was an intentional attempt to lay the blame at the Hoyas losing out on Collins at JYD’s feet. That’s cold. I can’t believe people in this thread are crying over this and on the verge of throwing under the bus a successful Hoya alum who has a class reputation and always have had the program’s back. What’s up with that? The way I see the father's clap back is because he's angry with JYD for the comments "not a good answer in my opinion" and "I had personally looked out for the kid at that gym if you know what I mean". I think the dad felt like his son was being thrown some shade by JYD. That's the reason why the father hashtagged "Justsayin. Bottom line guys, the man is going to come to his son's defense and he has a right to. JYD needed not to necessarily put those comments in there and the whole thing would have been different. JYD is one of the most beloved figures of the program then and now so he won't take any losses in the love column. Like I said in a previous post, JYD wants Georgetown back on the map and I'm pretty sure he wants Patrick to succeed more than anyone. We, and that means everybody who loves Georgetown, including JYD, need to be careful of what you say where it comes down to the kids man and that's the bottom line. When I first started to post on these boards a couple of month's ago, I first started with a post commenting on all the negative post that I constantly see in the HoyaTalk Recruiting board. Kids don't need to see grown men talking about negative about them. Parents definitely don't want to see negative stuff posted about their kids. We lost Frankie, we have to learn from this, JYD included, move on and try not to make the same mistake twice. Sometimes, we lose out because kids want to play with their friends like Frankie wanted to play with his friend. We need to leave it alone and keep on moving. Coach Ewing, you're doing a great job man. JYD, keep on letting everyone know about your beloved school but let the kid make his decision. Let's keep putting in the work guys!
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BigmanU
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Post by BigmanU on Aug 20, 2020 15:45:47 GMT -5
Done talking about this cat on the main site! DFW Hoya, why did you drop this turd on Frankie Collins thread?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 20, 2020 15:59:29 GMT -5
Done talking about this cat on the main site! DFW Hoya, why did you drop this turd on Frankie Collins thread? Missed it. Thanks for the note.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Aug 20, 2020 16:19:27 GMT -5
The only minor clarification is that JYD made the comment on a private Facebook group for Georgetown fans where many former players make candid comments. It was not necessarily for wider public consumption. If you read it in that context, his first message reads as more of an update on what he heard/saw about the recruitment and trying to show to Georgetown fans that the Hoyas did what it could in the recruitment. Maybe, but that group has over 1800 members. I’d presume half the people on hoyatalk or that follow Georgetown basketball twitter are already in that group to begin with. So I wouldn’t expect JYD could reasonably presume that comment was made in confidence, and he hasn’t said anything to suggest he minds it being shared. A private group of 1800 Hoya fans is still a lot smaller than a public Tweet. JYD doesn't say anything bad in context, but as a screenshot the comment can be taken out of context as a public statement.
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Post by s4hoyas on Aug 20, 2020 16:35:05 GMT -5
I appreciate JYD's efforts...I don't think it had anything to do with the ESPN/Syracuse version of "multiple players being kicked off the team" (IMO Akinjo left because he didn't want to play team basketball; LeBlanc broke team rules and was asked to leave; Alexander and Gardner both claimed they had done nothing wrong and essentially left because of the accusations...and charges against them were subsequently dropped)...Collins officially visited long after and had time, along with his family, to get a clear understanding and satisfaction relative to those events...he had plenty of time to commit but evidently, although he was very interested and had us high on his list, he had known Howard since he was very young and felt more comfortable going to play for him, even though he hadn't visited...I believe we'll be fine with Tyler and Dante at the PG position (Tyler has really been outstanding recently...and Berger and Carey both have some experience at the position)...let's get Mutombo and Mohammed (or Robinson) and call it a day...
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Post by mdtd on Aug 20, 2020 18:35:08 GMT -5
I think something else that sparked this reaction was him mentioning that Howard didn't put the work in. When everything else that I've seen about this recruitment says Howard was close to Collins before he extended an offer, that part just doesn't make sense. JYD tried to do something good for the program and that I fully respect, but hi saying that Howard didn't work to get the commitment just doesn't sit right. I understand the reaction from Collins's side because it implies that he chose someone who didn't really want him, and it can imply (though I definitely don't think this was his intention) that Collins received a bag drop. If they don't say something, this could lead to him not being looked at as much for a potential professional career.
I understand what he was trying to do and I fully respect it (I mean this is exactly what we want from other guys) but it didn't work out in the end and I don't think his message/comment/whatever you want to call it is fully accurate. It's his view and he's closer to the situation than I am, but it seems to be missing quite a bit of information.
At the end of the day though, if we land more big-time recruits, we won't be talking about this. I'm not going to overreact here and say the recruiting is doomed, because there are still many very good options out there that seem to be strongly considering the Hoyas.
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Post by skunk on Aug 20, 2020 18:59:04 GMT -5
I think something else that sparked this reaction was him mentioning that Howard didn't put the work in. When everything else that I've seen about this recruitment says Howard was close to Collins before he extended an offer, that part just doesn't make sense. JYD tried to do something good for the program and that I fully respect, but hi saying that Howard didn't work to get the commitment just doesn't sit right. I understand the reaction from Collins's side because it implies that he chose someone who didn't really want him, and it can imply (though I definitely don't think this was his intention) that Collins received a bag drop. If they don't say something, this could lead to him not being looked at as much for a potential professional career. I understand what he was trying to do and I fully respect it (I mean this is exactly what we want from other guys) but it didn't work out in the end and I don't think his message/comment/whatever you want to call it is fully accurate. It's his view and he's closer to the situation than I am, but it seems to be missing quite a bit of information. At the end of the day though, if we land more big-time recruits, we won't be talking about this. I'm not going to overreact here and say the recruiting is doomed, because there are still many very good options out there that seem to be strongly considering the Hoyas. Part of what he meant was I don’t think Frankie was their top option at point. they definitely wanted warley but when he went to FSU they ramped it up for Collins
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Aug 21, 2020 9:35:51 GMT -5
If Warley had gone to Michigan, Collins probably would have landed at Auburn.
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Aug 21, 2020 17:01:32 GMT -5
Let’s wrap this one up. If it’s a he said/he said thing, count me with the JYD. Collins’ loss. Don’t wish him ill, but I’m about kids that want to be here.
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Post by RBHoya on Aug 21, 2020 18:47:51 GMT -5
On the bright side, could this help with Doug McDaniel (2022), a Top 50 local point guard who was recently picking up crystal balls for Michigan? I'd guess Collins going might negatively impact his desire to go to UM, given that both players are exclusively point guards and there's no realistic way they'd ever be on the court at the same time. It doesn't mean he couldn't be content to play a backup role for 3 years before taking over, or maybe even think he could beat out Collins. But I'd guess it would put him back in play. He still has offers from LSU, UConn, Florida etc. though.
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Post by jwp91 on Aug 21, 2020 19:19:27 GMT -5
On the bright side, could this help with Doug McDaniel (2022), a Top 50 local point guard who was recently picking up crystal balls for Michigan? I'd guess Collins going might negatively impact his desire to go to UM, given that both players are exclusively point guards and there's no realistic way they'd ever be on the court at the same time. It doesn't mean he couldn't be content to play a backup role for 3 years before taking over, or maybe even think he could beat out Collins. But I'd guess it would put him back in play. He still has offers from LSU, UConn, Florida etc. though. Good point. Frankie and Dug on the floor together could cause defensive problems as well.
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Post by hoyaboya on May 11, 2021 8:34:02 GMT -5
The first meeting between Juwan Howard and Frankie Collins wasn't your typical coach/recruiting experience. It happened many years earlier when Howard, then with the Miami Heat, took time to talk with an eight-year-old Collins and give some advice, taking a picture with him and counseling him. It was the first of four meetings over the next several years, and Howard was never anything but supportive and kind. “When he started recruiting me, he didn’t remember because he meets a lot of people,” Henderson (Nev.) Coronado’s Collins, now a Michigan signee, said. “Then I sent the pictures throughout our time; by then it was four pictures. When he saw them, he was like, ‘oh, wow!’ That made him want me even more. “One time I had been playing against [Juwan’s son and U-M freshman] Jace at a camp and saw him. After that, I saw him when we went to visit the Miami Heat facility my sophomore year. He was just walking the hall, and I took another picture with him. That time he remembered me.” The relationship has only strengthened since. When they talk, Collins said, they discuss just about everything but basketball — their days, their families and life. Collins talks to Jace Howard just about every day, to the point that Howard said he felt it was ‘meant to be’ that he’d be his coach. michigan.rivals.com/news/michigan-basketball-frankie-collins-was-destined-to-play-for-juwan-howard
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Post by hoyaboya on Jul 6, 2021 11:17:35 GMT -5
As expected, Michigan Wolverines guard DeVante' Jones, a Coastal Carolina transfer, has pulled out of consideration for the NBA Draft and will join Michigan next season, TheWolverine.com has confirmed. Jones, a 6-1 guard, played well at the NBA G-League Elite Camp, but he didn't earn an NBA Combine invite. He got the better of former Michigan guard Mike Smith in the first game. He and Smith went head-to-head down the stretch and traded some friendly words. “I thought he played really well,” Smith said of Jones. “He’s going to be a really good player for Michigan next year if he decides to come back. He controlled the game, played really good defense, made some tough shots at the end and made some free throws. “He’s going to be a really good piece. Coach Howard [and his staff] always does a really good job recruiting. They got me there, too. He’s a great fit and is going to be a great Michigan guard, for sure.” Jones averaged 19.3 points, 7.2 rebounds, and 2.9 rebounds last season. Though he looked more combo that point guard, he'll have an opportunity to start at the point for the Wolverines this year. michigan.rivals.com/news/devante-jones-pulls-out-of-draft-will-join-michigan-wolverines-basketball
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Post by hoyarooter on Jul 6, 2021 19:23:52 GMT -5
As expected, Michigan Wolverines guard DeVante' Jones, a Coastal Carolina transfer, has pulled out of consideration for the NBA Draft and will join Michigan next season, TheWolverine.com has confirmed. Jones, a 6-1 guard, played well at the NBA G-League Elite Camp, but he didn't earn an NBA Combine invite. He got the better of former Michigan guard Mike Smith in the first game. He and Smith went head-to-head down the stretch and traded some friendly words. “I thought he played really well,” Smith said of Jones. “He’s going to be a really good player for Michigan next year if he decides to come back. He controlled the game, played really good defense, made some tough shots at the end and made some free throws. “He’s going to be a really good piece. Coach Howard [and his staff] always does a really good job recruiting. They got me there, too. He’s a great fit and is going to be a great Michigan guard, for sure.” Jones averaged 19.3 points, 7.2 rebounds, and 2.9 rebounds last season. Though he looked more combo that point guard, he'll have an opportunity to start at the point for the Wolverines this year. michigan.rivals.com/news/devante-jones-pulls-out-of-draft-will-join-michigan-wolverines-basketballWhich is the assists and which is the rebounds? 7.2 assists?
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Jul 6, 2021 19:26:24 GMT -5
As expected, Michigan Wolverines guard DeVante' Jones, a Coastal Carolina transfer, has pulled out of consideration for the NBA Draft and will join Michigan next season, TheWolverine.com has confirmed. Jones, a 6-1 guard, played well at the NBA G-League Elite Camp, but he didn't earn an NBA Combine invite. He got the better of former Michigan guard Mike Smith in the first game. He and Smith went head-to-head down the stretch and traded some friendly words. “I thought he played really well,” Smith said of Jones. “He’s going to be a really good player for Michigan next year if he decides to come back. He controlled the game, played really good defense, made some tough shots at the end and made some free throws. “He’s going to be a really good piece. Coach Howard [and his staff] always does a really good job recruiting. They got me there, too. He’s a great fit and is going to be a great Michigan guard, for sure.” Jones averaged 19.3 points, 7.2 rebounds, and 2.9 rebounds last season. Though he looked more combo that point guard, he'll have an opportunity to start at the point for the Wolverines this year. michigan.rivals.com/news/devante-jones-pulls-out-of-draft-will-join-michigan-wolverines-basketballWhich is the assists and which is the rebounds? 7.2 assists? www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4397506/devante-jones
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Apr 30, 2022 17:59:40 GMT -5
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Post by prhoya on Apr 30, 2022 18:04:19 GMT -5
Get him so we can give a new definition to small-ball lineup…
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Post by hoyarooter on May 2, 2022 17:50:28 GMT -5
I got very excited when I saw this, but that was before I learned of Heath's transfer. I think we're guarded out.
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Post by bostonfan on May 3, 2022 7:43:19 GMT -5
I got very excited when I saw this, but that was before I learned of Heath's transfer. I think we're guarded out. I agree that the team currently has enough guards. I would have preferred Collins over Spears, but timing is everything and I am not sure if Collins would have been interested in the Hoyas anyways.
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