|
Post by hoyalove4ever on Aug 20, 2020 12:33:24 GMT -5
Okay- that last part is confusing. They had to run away from Jerome???
|
|
BigmanU
Silver Hoya (over 500 posts)
Posts: 915
|
Post by BigmanU on Aug 20, 2020 12:40:48 GMT -5
I'm a little older so someone straighten me out if I misunderstood.
Looks like he's saying Jerome did nothing for his kid and he needs to look out for his own. JYD mentioned he use to look out for him at the gym YKWITA
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2020 12:41:37 GMT -5
To Mr. Collins and Junkyard: Please guys don't allow this to get too personal and especially do not let it get too ugly. Mr. Collins, please take into account that a lot of people are passionate about Georgetown and no one is probably as more passionate than JYD.
Please do not let any comments said by JYD in regards to Georgetown upset you. We are fans of Georgetown, as I am sure you probably already know, and we want to see the program return to excellence. JYD, I am pretty sure spoke out of frustration and didn't mean anything malicious behind his statement. He just wants to see his alma mater back on top and your son Frankie, with his gifts and talent, was going to be a part of something special that could help return us back to prominence.
We appreciate and love Frankie and his talents. We especially appreciate your son giving us a shot. I hope this comment finds your heart and thank you sir for your feedback. Fellas let's focus on the next talented kid and no more negative emotional comments.
|
|
|
Post by thebasketballopinion on Aug 20, 2020 12:56:14 GMT -5
Recruiting is super fickle
|
|
blazers32
Century (over 100 posts)
Posts: 194
|
Post by blazers32 on Aug 20, 2020 12:57:05 GMT -5
Damn this is crazy. The program can’t do anything right. we get in the kids final two and we still fumble it at the end this time it’s not even the staffs fault per se. Only at Georgetown I swear
|
|
blazers32
Century (over 100 posts)
Posts: 194
|
Post by blazers32 on Aug 20, 2020 12:58:16 GMT -5
Okay- that last part is confusing. They had to run away from Jerome??? He was hounding the kid a little too much when he would come in to the gym to work out. I assume this is a gym that Williams helps run in Las Vegas...
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2020 13:03:11 GMT -5
Think I read something a while back that Collins had a previous relationship with Juwan Howard.
|
|
|
Post by Lethal_Interjection on Aug 20, 2020 13:07:39 GMT -5
Think I read something a while back that Collins had a previous relationship with Juwan Howard.
|
|
LCPolo18
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 4,406
|
Post by LCPolo18 on Aug 20, 2020 13:22:46 GMT -5
Recruiting is super fickle It's also not a great look for you to be taking comments from a private Facebook group and putting them on Twitter without permission from the author of those comments. Especially when you just joined that private Facebook group this week.
|
|
blazers32
Century (over 100 posts)
Posts: 194
|
Post by blazers32 on Aug 20, 2020 13:41:00 GMT -5
Think I read something a while back that Collins had a previous relationship with Juwan Howard. and Ewing didn’t. Lol L. hell he never even visited Michigan.
|
|
|
Post by RockawayHoya on Aug 20, 2020 13:50:26 GMT -5
Disappointing result to say the least. Not surprised given who the lead was for this recruitment, but as JYD put it we can't place the blame on a lack of effort.
I would agree also with JYD that if Collins' decision hinged on a Mutombo commitment, why not wait until you know where Ryan's going first before making a final call? I don't think it's a great answer from their camp either.
No matter how it played out though... sick and Editeding tired of losing kids to Michigan lately.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2020 14:01:46 GMT -5
People are reading way too much into this.
|
|
MCIGuy
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Anyone here? What am I supposed to update?
Posts: 9,426
|
Post by MCIGuy on Aug 20, 2020 14:58:14 GMT -5
If JYD was a little too overly enthusiastic in trying to get into Collins’ ear and repetitively putting in a good word about Georgetown then so be it. Even if it backfired I think the program can live with that just so long as he wasn’t going beyond certain boundaries. Isn’t that what Hoya fans have been almost pleading for the bball alum with connections to do in the first place? Try to help (legally) steer recruits to the program? Well apparently that’s what JYD tried to do. And if he failed because he was clumsy about it at least his heart was in the right place and how can I hold it against him? To be frank (no pun intended) it would be one thing if Collins was some generational talent but from all I gathered about him he seems to be regarded as a top 40-ish-50ish recruit. Would have been nice to have him but in the end he doesn’t appear to be some program changer.
My issue is I don’t buy the dad’s reason for why his son did not choose Georgetown. You’re telling me that some Hoya alumni (who played in the NBA and has a good track record in basketball grassroots) being a little too exuberant in the unofficial recruiting pitch was the main factor in turning Collins off in regards to the Hoyas? Please. Even if I accept whole-heartedly the father’s take on what went down (and why should I) that seems like a minor thing to get worked up about after the family had established a good rapport with the Georgetown staff. If the family thought the Hoya staff had ordered JYD to give the hard sell they could have discussed this with the staff and this stuff would have never come to light and would have been resolved/
My assumption is that competitors used the disastrous off-court issues of last season’s team as a way to knock down the program in the minds of the family, making them rethink their view of the program. And that allowed Juwan “Works Half As Hard” Howard the room to maneuver and snatch a player away. If I have any criticism of JYD it is his decision to go to social media and blab away his feelings regarding Collins’ choice and how he thought something the parents told him (regarding Ryan Mutombo) was wrong headed. No need for that, who would force you into even coming out with such a statement (which convinced me the Hoya staff had nothing to do with any overly aggressiveness on Jerome’s part)? But the dad escalated it further IMO with his response and putdown of JYD. Not only was that unnecessarily personal and petty, it also was an intentional attempt to lay the blame at the Hoyas losing out on Collins at JYD’s feet. That’s cold.
I can’t believe people in this thread are crying over this and on the verge of throwing under the bus a successful Hoya alum who has a class reputation and always have had the program’s back. What’s up with that?
|
|
LCPolo18
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 4,406
|
Post by LCPolo18 on Aug 20, 2020 15:18:59 GMT -5
If I have any criticism of JYD it is his decision to go to social media and blab away his feelings regarding Collins’ choice and how he thought something the parents told him (regarding Ryan Mutombo) was wrong headed. No need for that, who would force you into even coming out with such a statement (which convinced me the Hoya staff had nothing to do with any overly aggressiveness on Jerome’s part)? But the dad escalated it further IMO with his response and putdown of JYD. Not only was that unnecessarily personal and petty, it also was an intentional attempt to lay the blame at the Hoyas losing out on Collins at JYD’s feet. That’s cold. The only minor clarification is that JYD made the comment on a private Facebook group for Georgetown fans where many former players make candid comments. It was not necessarily for wider public consumption. If you read it in that context, his first message reads as more of an update on what he heard/saw about the recruitment and trying to show to Georgetown fans that the Hoyas did what it could in the recruitment.
|
|
|
Post by trillesthoya on Aug 20, 2020 15:23:14 GMT -5
If I have any criticism of JYD it is his decision to go to social media and blab away his feelings regarding Collins’ choice and how he thought something the parents told him (regarding Ryan Mutombo) was wrong headed. No need for that, who would force you into even coming out with such a statement (which convinced me the Hoya staff had nothing to do with any overly aggressiveness on Jerome’s part)? But the dad escalated it further IMO with his response and putdown of JYD. Not only was that unnecessarily personal and petty, it also was an intentional attempt to lay the blame at the Hoyas losing out on Collins at JYD’s feet. That’s cold. The only minor clarification is that JYD made the comment on a private Facebook group for Georgetown fans where many former players make candid comments. It was not necessarily for wider public consumption. If you read it in that context, his first message reads as more of an update on what he heard/saw about the recruitment and trying to show to Georgetown fans that the Hoyas did what it could in the recruitment. Maybe, but that group has over 1800 members. I’d presume half the people on hoyatalk or that follow Georgetown basketball twitter are already in that group to begin with. So I wouldn’t expect JYD could reasonably presume that comment was made in confidence, and he hasn’t said anything to suggest he minds it being shared.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2020 15:26:48 GMT -5
Think I read something a while back that Collins had a previous relationship with Juwan Howard. Nah, like even before he started coaching at Michigan. Could be a transfer candidate in a year or 2 imo.
|
|
|
Post by phniousgren on Aug 20, 2020 15:27:31 GMT -5
At the very least the comment although not made by Frankie himself that the signing of Mutombo was a determining factor in his choice suggests that Ryan in the eyes of a 4 star player or possibly more is at such a trajectory as to determine Frankie's very own future. I like the indirect commentary because I'm not totally convinced. Don't think I've ever seen that publicly admitted by a player if he in fact said that.
|
|
MCIGuy
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Anyone here? What am I supposed to update?
Posts: 9,426
|
Post by MCIGuy on Aug 20, 2020 15:29:35 GMT -5
If I have any criticism of JYD it is his decision to go to social media and blab away his feelings regarding Collins’ choice and how he thought something the parents told him (regarding Ryan Mutombo) was wrong headed. No need for that, who would force you into even coming out with such a statement (which convinced me the Hoya staff had nothing to do with any overly aggressiveness on Jerome’s part)? But the dad escalated it further IMO with his response and putdown of JYD. Not only was that unnecessarily personal and petty, it also was an intentional attempt to lay the blame at the Hoyas losing out on Collins at JYD’s feet. That’s cold. The only minor clarification is that JYD made the comment on a private Facebook group for Georgetown fans where many former players make candid comments. It was not necessarily for wider public consumption. If you read it in that context, his first message reads as more of an update on what he heard/saw about the recruitment and trying to show to Georgetown fans that the Hoyas did what it could in the recruitment. I had a feeling that was the case but since I never have had a Facebook account I couldn't be sure. Thanks for the clarification.
|
|
calhoya
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 4,352
|
Post by calhoya on Aug 20, 2020 15:31:39 GMT -5
Agree with MCI. Any team competing for a player against the Hoyas is going to bring up the negative press and transfers from last year and many parents would understandably react to that series of events. The off-court stuff was more damaging than results on the court. Without assigning fault or guessing who did or didn't do something it should be obvious to all that the program has has taken a major hit and that it is imperative for Ewing to erase as soon as possible the image of a dysfunctional program spiraling downward out of control.
|
|
Hoyas4Ever
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
A Wise Man Once Told Me Don't Argue With Fools....
Posts: 5,448
|
Post by Hoyas4Ever on Aug 20, 2020 15:35:38 GMT -5
Nah, like even before he started coaching at Michigan. Could be a transfer candidate in a year or 2 imo.
|
|