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Post by daveg023 on Mar 6, 2021 20:40:11 GMT -5
Meanwhile, in Queens: 13:39 1st Seton Hall 18 St. John's 0 St. John's has cut the lead to 2(42-40) with about 17 minutes left... St John’s running away with it now. Amazing after down 18-0. It’s funny, you go back to December when we played them and it felt like it was a matchup of two bottom of the league teams with sloppy mistakes and lack of smart plays. The fact they can finish 4th (if Xavier loses) in the league is quite a turnaround from then. They have a real shot to make the final next week with a wounded Nova team on this half of the bracket, and the scary thought is they return basically the entire core. In some ways it’s frustrating as we always get grouped with them as the former flag bearers for the old Big East, so to see them get back to the top of the league and perhaps make a conference title run before us is not ideal. While this isn’t meant to be a jab at Ewing, Anderson has shown that a good coach can turn around a program in short order, as their program was in every bit of flux as ours was / has been.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 6, 2021 20:40:33 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 6, 2021 21:22:26 GMT -5
St. John's has cut the lead to 2(42-40) with about 17 minutes left... St John’s running away with it now. Amazing after down 18-0. It’s funny, you go back to December when we played them and it felt like it was a matchup of two bottom of the league teams with sloppy mistakes and lack of smart plays. The fact they can finish 4th (if Xavier loses) in the league is quite a turnaround from then. They have a real shot to make the final next week with a wounded Nova team on this half of the bracket, and the scary thought is they return basically the entire core. In some ways it’s frustrating as we always get grouped with them as the former flag bearers for the old Big East, so to see them get back to the top of the league and perhaps make a conference title run before us is not ideal. While this isn’t meant to be a jab at Ewing, Anderson has shown that a good coach can turn around a program in short order, as their program was in every bit of flux as ours was / has been. Coaches matter in college hoops. Anderson is a known commodity and very solid. We hired an unknown commodity who has turned out to be not very good. This isn’t rocket science.
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 6, 2021 21:26:27 GMT -5
St John’s running away with it now. Amazing after down 18-0. It’s funny, you go back to December when we played them and it felt like it was a matchup of two bottom of the league teams with sloppy mistakes and lack of smart plays. The fact they can finish 4th (if Xavier loses) in the league is quite a turnaround from then. They have a real shot to make the final next week with a wounded Nova team on this half of the bracket, and the scary thought is they return basically the entire core. In some ways it’s frustrating as we always get grouped with them as the former flag bearers for the old Big East, so to see them get back to the top of the league and perhaps make a conference title run before us is not ideal. While this isn’t meant to be a jab at Ewing, Anderson has shown that a good coach can turn around a program in short order, as their program was in every bit of flux as ours was / has been. Coaches matter in college hoops. Anderson is a known commodity and very solid. We hired an unknown commodity who has turned out to be not very good. This isn’t rocket science. They did kinda luck into Anderson after Cluess and Moiser turned them down. It was actually an embarrassing situation that worked out well.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 6, 2021 21:47:30 GMT -5
St. John's has cut the lead to 2(42-40) with about 17 minutes left... St John’s running away with it now. Amazing after down 18-0. It’s funny, you go back to December when we played them and it felt like it was a matchup of two bottom of the league teams with sloppy mistakes and lack of smart plays. The fact they can finish 4th (if Xavier loses) in the league is quite a turnaround from then. They have a real shot to make the final next week with a wounded Nova team on this half of the bracket, and the scary thought is they return basically the entire core. In some ways it’s frustrating as we always get grouped with them as the former flag bearers for the old Big East, so to see them get back to the top of the league and perhaps make a conference title run before us is not ideal. While this isn’t meant to be a jab at Ewing, Anderson has shown that a good coach can turn around a program in short order, as their program was in every bit of flux as ours was / has been. Not to insert facts into this discussion , but - If we play all 20 conference games, and we win the 3 missed games against the 3 teams that finished below us - we finish 10-10(certainly a realistic possibility - although the COVID break did seem to give us the time to turn our season around). If St. John's plays the game they missed - UConn - a very real chance they finish 10-10. Yes Anderson has done it in 2 years. Of course he had a few years head coaching experience to start with. We are better this year than last, and have a strong recruiting class coming in. Let's see where the 2 programs are 2 years from now.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 6, 2021 21:52:00 GMT -5
St John’s running away with it now. Amazing after down 18-0. It’s funny, you go back to December when we played them and it felt like it was a matchup of two bottom of the league teams with sloppy mistakes and lack of smart plays. The fact they can finish 4th (if Xavier loses) in the league is quite a turnaround from then. They have a real shot to make the final next week with a wounded Nova team on this half of the bracket, and the scary thought is they return basically the entire core. In some ways it’s frustrating as we always get grouped with them as the former flag bearers for the old Big East, so to see them get back to the top of the league and perhaps make a conference title run before us is not ideal. While this isn’t meant to be a jab at Ewing, Anderson has shown that a good coach can turn around a program in short order, as their program was in every bit of flux as ours was / has been. Not to insert facts into this discussion , but - If we play all 20 conference games, and we win the 3 missed games against the 3 teams that finished below us - we finish 10-10(certainly a realistic possibility - although the COVID break did seem to give us the time to turn our season around). If St. John's plays the game they missed - UConn - a very real chance they finish 10-10. Yes Anderson has done it in 2 years. Of course he had a few years head coaching experience to start with. We are better this year than last, and have a strong recruiting class coming in. Let's see where the 2 programs are 2 years from now. If Ewing is still our coach in two years (which I doubt he will be), I love St. John’s ahead of us in the Big East pecking order at this point. You’d have to be a fool to think otherwise.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 6, 2021 21:58:01 GMT -5
Not to insert facts into this discussion , but - If we play all 20 conference games, and we win the 3 missed games against the 3 teams that finished below us - we finish 10-10(certainly a realistic possibility - although the COVID break did seem to give us the time to turn our season around). If St. John's plays the game they missed - UConn - a very real chance they finish 10-10. Yes Anderson has done it in 2 years. Of course he had a few years head coaching experience to start with. We are better this year than last, and have a strong recruiting class coming in. Let's see where the 2 programs are 2 years from now. If Ewing is still our coach in two years (which I doubt he will be), I love St. John’s ahead of us in the Big East pecking order at this point. You’d have to be a fool to think otherwise. Ewing turned the team from a mess into a team that beat Creighton, Seton Hall and Xavier (oh, and split with St. John's). A decent job of coaching. Still has to get a lot better, but heading in the right direction.
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 6, 2021 22:04:03 GMT -5
St John’s running away with it now. Amazing after down 18-0. It’s funny, you go back to December when we played them and it felt like it was a matchup of two bottom of the league teams with sloppy mistakes and lack of smart plays. The fact they can finish 4th (if Xavier loses) in the league is quite a turnaround from then. They have a real shot to make the final next week with a wounded Nova team on this half of the bracket, and the scary thought is they return basically the entire core. In some ways it’s frustrating as we always get grouped with them as the former flag bearers for the old Big East, so to see them get back to the top of the league and perhaps make a conference title run before us is not ideal. While this isn’t meant to be a jab at Ewing, Anderson has shown that a good coach can turn around a program in short order, as their program was in every bit of flux as ours was / has been. Not to insert facts into this discussion , but - If we play all 20 conference games, and we win the 3 missed games against the 3 teams that finished below us - we finish 10-10(certainly a realistic possibility - although the COVID break did seem to give us the time to turn our season around). If St. John's plays the game they missed - UConn - a very real chance they finish 10-10. Yes Anderson has done it in 2 years. Of course he had a few years head coaching experience to start with. We are better this year than last, and have a strong recruiting class coming in. Let's see where the 2 programs are 2 years from now. I get your point but i think that’s a very flattering take for us. 3/4 games were road games and we only won two of those all year (one being at DePaul). Also, it’s all but assured St John’s will go into next year with a higher preseason expectation than us. Sure we can change that when we play the games, but that’s the reality going into next year. And saying Anderson had coaching experience feels like the wrong argument to make as to defend our program’s health vs theirs. I don’t want to go down that route on this thread, but using that as a reason for their ability to rise more quickly than us seems less like a reason and more an indictment of our hire of someone without experience. We did show some progress over the last 4-6 weeks, and next year’s class is exciting. But it’s not all in a vacuum. Other teams are getting better too, so we need to really make big strides to move up in the pecking order and not stay in the “Wednesday” section of the bracket. Unlike some of the other teams we are actually going to be replacing potentially 3/5 of our starting lineup. So the new talent has to be markedly better for us to really see the rise in the standings we hope.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 6, 2021 22:20:31 GMT -5
I agree with all that. My original point was that it is not as big a gap between St. John's and us as was suggested. And there was going to be a head coaching experience learning curve with Ewing, but that didn't automatically make it the wrong hire.
We were a .500 club in the Big East in Ewing's second year. Last year was a disaster on multiple fronts. This year is better. There are no guarantees, but I like where we are headed.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 6, 2021 22:34:25 GMT -5
I agree with all that. My original point was that it is not as big a gap between St. John's and us as was suggested. And there was going to be a head coaching experience learning curve with Ewing, but that didn't automatically make it the wrong hire. We were a .500 club in the Big East in Ewing's second year. Last year was a disaster on multiple fronts. This year is better. There are no guarantees, but I like where we are headed. You obviously have very low expectations for this program. I assume you’re not a donor. Ewing was a great player. He’s proven to be a poor coach 4 years into this experiment. Also, JT2 is now dead. Harsh words? Yes. But it’s time to move on.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 6, 2021 22:35:33 GMT -5
St John’s running away with it now. Amazing after down 18-0. It’s funny, you go back to December when we played them and it felt like it was a matchup of two bottom of the league teams with sloppy mistakes and lack of smart plays. The fact they can finish 4th (if Xavier loses) in the league is quite a turnaround from then. They have a real shot to make the final next week with a wounded Nova team on this half of the bracket, and the scary thought is they return basically the entire core. In some ways it’s frustrating as we always get grouped with them as the former flag bearers for the old Big East, so to see them get back to the top of the league and perhaps make a conference title run before us is not ideal. While this isn’t meant to be a jab at Ewing, Anderson has shown that a good coach can turn around a program in short order, as their program was in every bit of flux as ours was / has been. Not to insert facts into this discussion , but - If we play all 20 conference games, and we win the 3 missed games against the 3 teams that finished below us - we finish 10-10(certainly a realistic possibility - although the COVID break did seem to give us the time to turn our season around). If St. John's plays the game they missed - UConn - a very real chance they finish 10-10. Yes Anderson has done it in 2 years. Of course he had a few years head coaching experience to start with. We are better this year than last, and have a strong recruiting class coming in. Let's see where the 2 programs are 2 years from now. As it stands now St, John's will have a promising returning team with the top scorer in the conference plus the best frosh in the league... If you had a choice which would you rather have? I agree that it has to be played out on the court though but on paper, it's hard to make the case that they aren't further along than Gtown...
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 6, 2021 22:56:18 GMT -5
They might be. Then again, that has been said about St. John's for years, has not always worked out (I know, usually with Mullins).
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 6, 2021 22:58:55 GMT -5
I agree with all that. My original point was that it is not as big a gap between St. John's and us as was suggested. And there was going to be a head coaching experience learning curve with Ewing, but that didn't automatically make it the wrong hire. We were a .500 club in the Big East in Ewing's second year. Last year was a disaster on multiple fronts. This year is better. There are no guarantees, but I like where we are headed. You obviously have very low expectations for this program. I assume you’re not a donor. Ewing was a great player. He’s proven to be a poor coach 4 years into this experiment. Also, JT2 is now dead. Harsh words? Yes. But it’s time to move on. I am a donor, although not a big one. While overall Ewing has underperformed, are you saying he did a poor job this season?
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 6, 2021 23:25:54 GMT -5
They might be. Then again, that has been said about St. John's for years, has not always worked out (I know, usually with Mullins). But Mullin made a tourney appearance in his 4 years plus he won 3 BET games so I'm not sure how St. John's being further along than Gtown in the recent past to present hasn't always worked out...
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 6, 2021 23:39:13 GMT -5
They might be. Then again, that has been said about St. John's for years, has not always worked out (I know, usually with Mullins). But Mullin made a tourney appearance in his 4 years plus he won 3 BET games so I'm not sure how St. John's being further along than Gtown in the recent past to present hasn't always worked out... I didn't say it never worked out, just not always. Given how much Mullin's recruiting classes were hyped I expected multiple Sweet Sixteen trips.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2021 23:42:10 GMT -5
Isn't St John's performance this year similar to what Georgetown did in it's second year under Ewing?
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 6, 2021 23:45:10 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 7, 2021 0:02:58 GMT -5
You obviously have very low expectations for this program. I assume you’re not a donor. Ewing was a great player. He’s proven to be a poor coach 4 years into this experiment. Also, JT2 is now dead. Harsh words? Yes. But it’s time to move on. I am a donor, although not a big one. While overall Ewing has underperformed, are you saying he did a poor job this season? I think he did OK this season. However, that’s a very low bar, too low of a bar for what Georgetown should be. I think Ewing has proven to be a very poor college basketball coach, 4 years into the job. I wish it wasn’t true, given how much he’s meant to the program, but it is.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 7, 2021 0:04:09 GMT -5
Isn't St John's performance this year similar to what Georgetown did in it's second year under Ewing? Is that supposed to be a good or bad thing for Ewing?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2021 0:55:22 GMT -5
Isn't St John's performance this year similar to what Georgetown did in it's second year under Ewing? Is that supposed to be a good or bad thing for Ewing? Just a factual observation.
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