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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Mar 5, 2021 12:41:14 GMT -5
I have also heard that some of the Creighton recruits scheduled to come next year are waffling on their commitments now. I guess they have a pretty highly rated kid from Arizona who has said he is waiting to see how the situation plays out before he decides anything. They seem to have a pretty strong infrastructure (facilities, fan base etc) for basketball at Creighton so I am sure they would be an attractive job, but losing a guys like McDermott, who has been a consistent winner and plays a style (run/gun and a lot of threes) that is attractive to recruits, would not be an easy thing to overcome. They have to move quickly to secure those recruits. However I'm not sure that any of the assistant coaches (promoted to headcoach) would have a big enough pull to overcome the negative factors (such as being out in Nebraska, and the incident). I feel like they need a big name, maybe a Midwesterner like Danny Manning in order to retain those recruits. Either that or bring in someone who can bring their own recruits with them from another program. Manning grew up in the deep south...
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 5, 2021 12:48:41 GMT -5
They have to move quickly to secure those recruits. However I'm not sure that any of the assistant coaches (promoted to headcoach) would have a big enough pull to overcome the negative factors (such as being out in Nebraska, and the incident). I feel like they need a big name, maybe a Midwesterner like Danny Manning in order to retain those recruits. Either that or bring in someone who can bring their own recruits with them from another program. Manning grew up in the deep south... He went to high school in Kansas which I consider Midwest.
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Post by seaweed on Mar 5, 2021 12:50:10 GMT -5
Not sure if "indefinitely suspended" means McDermott will be back for the Big East Tournament, but it doesn't sound like it from this. Once again I may be alone in my view but, if there is nothing deeper than his plantation remark, are we going to destroy a man's name and career because of a single remark uttered? This is carrying things too far. In the passion of the moment are we not able to say things we wouldn't say if we had time to think about it? Isn't there such a thing as forgiveness? Having said that, if this is found to be a pattern, ignore what I just said. I completely understand what you are saying but have two important considerations - “we” or the CU Board are not the ones “ruining his name and career.” McD did the ruining, now it’s just a question of accountability. Second, depriving a man of a high profile job making $1.4 mm a year is not exactly ruining his life. Forcing him to take a different path in light of an apparent inability to fulfill a key element of his current position - nurturing young men in a way that treats all fairly and equally - is not ruining his life, see above. White dudes are so afraid of being held accountable it is scary. Can you imagine if word came out that Ewing has talked about “honkies” on some team or to told the kids that he was the foreman and they were just the chain gang, what the reaction would be? FFS, can a white guy be held accountable for racist behavior without a bunch of fanfare, gnashing and wailing?
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 5, 2021 13:04:36 GMT -5
Nebraska is not the south. This is classic Gtown east coast ignorance. Unrelated, Manning stunk at Wake. I am sure they'll pluck some diamond in the rough if need be.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 5, 2021 13:24:37 GMT -5
Nebraska is not the south. This is classic Gtown east coast ignorance. Unrelated, Manning stunk at Wake. I am sure they'll pluck some diamond in the rough if need be. You mean Kansas? Regardless, Manning was born in Hattiesburg, MS and only played one year of HS ball in KS. Previously played HS ball in North Carolina. Not certain he qualifies as having grown up as a Midwesterner. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_ManningHis dad knocked around in the NBA so not certain where his son actually grew up although his time with the Carolina Cougars suggests his son was with him since he played HS ball there. In any event, it would seem Manning has more ties to the South as opposed to his one year in HS in KS and college ball there. He was drafted in the eighth round (80th overall) of the 1967 NBA draft by the Baltimore Bullets. In four NBA seasons with the Bullets, Chicago Bulls and Portland Trail Blazers, Manning averaged 5.1 points and 4.5 rebounds per game.[3] He then played five seasons in the ABA—three with the Carolina Cougars and one each with the New York Nets and Indiana Pacers—averaging 6.6 points and 4.5 rebounds per game.[4] He later played for several professional European teams.[5] en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Manning
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 5, 2021 13:36:01 GMT -5
Nebraska is not the south. This is classic Gtown east coast ignorance. Unrelated, Manning stunk at Wake. I am sure they'll pluck some diamond in the rough if need be. You mean Kansas? Regardless, Manning was born in Hattiesburg, MS and only played one year of HS ball in KS. Previously played HS ball in North Carolina. Not certain he qualifies as having grown up as a Midwesterner. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_ManningHis dad knocked around in the NBA so not certain where his son actually grew up although his time with the Carolina Cougars suggests his son was with him since he played HS ball there. In any event, it would seem Manning has more ties to the South as opposed to his one year in HS in KS and college ball there. He was drafted in the eighth round (80th overall) of the 1967 NBA draft by the Baltimore Bullets. In four NBA seasons with the Bullets, Chicago Bulls and Portland Trail Blazers, Manning averaged 5.1 points and 4.5 rebounds per game.[3] He then played five seasons in the ABA—three with the Carolina Cougars and one each with the New York Nets and Indiana Pacers—averaging 6.6 points and 4.5 rebounds per game.[4] He later played for several professional European teams.[5] en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_ManningAre you ineligible for having grown up somewhere if you spend 1, 3, 5 years there? What is the cut off and age limit?
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 5, 2021 13:37:31 GMT -5
Manning spent at least 5 years in Kansas.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 5, 2021 13:39:06 GMT -5
Manning spent at least 5 years in Kansas. Sr. year HS and 4 years in college. He spent his teenage years except his sr. year in HS in North Carolina. IMO he is more a southerner. I remember Larry Brown getting grief for his creative recruiting of Danny Manning by hiring his dad but I'm Brown coached Ed Manning in his ABA days. vault.si.com/vault/1986/02/17/in-the-fast-lane-on-the-kansas-plain
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Post by guru on Mar 5, 2021 13:43:16 GMT -5
Manning spent at least 5 years in Kansas. Sr. year HS and 4 years in college. He spent his teenage years except his sr. year in HS in North Carolina. IMO he is more a southerner. I remember Larry Brown getting grief for his creative recruiting of Danny Manning by hiring his dad but I'm reasonably certain Ed Manning knew Brown from his ABA days. vault.si.com/vault/1986/02/17/in-the-fast-lane-on-the-kansas-plainCan you jamokes stop taking up space among the recent posts with this brain-dead semantics debate?
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 5, 2021 13:44:11 GMT -5
Sr. year HS and 4 years in college. He spent his teenage years except his sr. year in HS in North Carolina. IMO he is more a southerner. I remember Larry Brown getting grief for his creative recruiting of Danny Manning by hiring his dad but I'm reasonably certain Ed Manning knew Brown from his ABA days. vault.si.com/vault/1986/02/17/in-the-fast-lane-on-the-kansas-plainCan you jamokes stop taking up space among the recent posts with this brain-dead semantics debate? 😁
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 5, 2021 13:47:06 GMT -5
Sr. year HS and 4 years in college. He spent his teenage years except his sr. year in HS in North Carolina. IMO he is more a southerner. I remember Larry Brown getting grief for his creative recruiting of Danny Manning by hiring his dad but I'm reasonably certain Ed Manning knew Brown from his ABA days. vault.si.com/vault/1986/02/17/in-the-fast-lane-on-the-kansas-plainCan you jamokes stop taking up space among the recent posts with this brain-dead semantics debate? Hey leave Jamorko out of this
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Mar 5, 2021 14:22:27 GMT -5
Once again I may be alone in my view but, if there is nothing deeper than his plantation remark, are we going to destroy a man's name and career because of a single remark uttered? This is carrying things too far. In the passion of the moment are we not able to say things we wouldn't say if we had time to think about it? Isn't there such a thing as forgiveness? Having said that, if this is found to be a pattern, ignore what I just said. I completely understand what you are saying but have two important considerations - “we” or the CU Board are not the ones “ruining his name and career.” McD did the ruining, now it’s just a question of accountability. Second, depriving a man of a high profile job making $1.4 mm a year is not exactly ruining his life. Forcing him to take a different path in light of an apparent inability to fulfill a key element of his current position - nurturing young men in a way that treats all fairly and equally - is not ruining his life, see above. White dudes are so afraid of being held accountable it is scary. Can you imagine if word came out that Ewing has talked about “honkies” on some team or to told the kids that he was the foreman and they were just the chain gang, what the reaction would be? FFS, can a white guy be held accountable for racist behavior without a bunch of fanfare, gnashing and wailing? Is an indefinite suspension not being held accountable? We really want to keep going down a road where we are firing people for mistakenly (unless you think he made this comment with explicit racist intent, which, come on) making one offensive remark in 10+ years on the job? Unless somebody can remind me of something else McDermott has said or done like this in the past ten years or unless some more evidence to that effect comes out, then yea I’m going to go ahead and say that outright firing him over this would be quite ridiculous. Nobody is saying that what he did wasn’t wrong. People make mistakes. Again, I reserve the right to change my mind if more evidence comes out that shows this isn’t an isolated incident.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2021 14:57:13 GMT -5
I completely understand what you are saying but have two important considerations - “we” or the CU Board are not the ones “ruining his name and career.” McD did the ruining, now it’s just a question of accountability. Second, depriving a man of a high profile job making $1.4 mm a year is not exactly ruining his life. Forcing him to take a different path in light of an apparent inability to fulfill a key element of his current position - nurturing young men in a way that treats all fairly and equally - is not ruining his life, see above. White dudes are so afraid of being held accountable it is scary. Can you imagine if word came out that Ewing has talked about “honkies” on some team or to told the kids that he was the foreman and they were just the chain gang, what the reaction would be? FFS, can a white guy be held accountable for racist behavior without a bunch of fanfare, gnashing and wailing? Is an indefinite suspension not being held accountable? We really want to keep going down a road where we are firing people for mistakenly (unless you think he made this comment with explicit racist intent, which, come on) making one offensive remark in 10+ years on the job? Unless somebody can remind me of something else McDermott has said or done like this in the past ten years or unless some more evidence to that effect comes out, then yea I’m going to go ahead and say that outright firing him over this would be quite ridiculous. Nobody is saying that what he did wasn’t wrong. People make mistakes. Again, I reserve the right to change my mind if more evidence comes out that shows this isn’t an isolated incident. He hasn’t been fired. There aren’t even rumblings that he would be. Even if he was, he’s not the victim here. That’s the point. I say this as a person who has already said I hope he can make amends and continue but c’mon telling a bunch of young black kids they need to stay on the plantation is not ok in any context. Excusing it by saying “it was just in the heat of the moment” is absurd. There’s not a bunch of outside pressure to remove him so no idea why you guys are getting all pumped up over this. Obviously this upset a bunch of the players he’s supposed to be a mentor/leader for or we wouldn’t even know about it. His future should depend on what they think and wether or not he gain regain their trust. It should not be based on what we think and people should stop trying to tie this to some bigger societal issue.
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Mar 5, 2021 15:05:05 GMT -5
Is an indefinite suspension not being held accountable? We really want to keep going down a road where we are firing people for mistakenly (unless you think he made this comment with explicit racist intent, which, come on) making one offensive remark in 10+ years on the job? Unless somebody can remind me of something else McDermott has said or done like this in the past ten years or unless some more evidence to that effect comes out, then yea I’m going to go ahead and say that outright firing him over this would be quite ridiculous. Nobody is saying that what he did wasn’t wrong. People make mistakes. Again, I reserve the right to change my mind if more evidence comes out that shows this isn’t an isolated incident. He hasn’t been fired. There aren’t even rumblings that he would be. Even if he was, he’s not the victim here. That’s the point. I say this as a person who has already said I hope he can make amends and continue but c’mon telling a bunch of young black kids they need to stay on the plantation is not ok in any context. Excusing it by saying “it was just in the heat of the moment” is absurd. There’s not a bunch of outside pressure to remove him so no idea why you guys are getting all pumped up over this. Obviously this upset a bunch of the players he’s supposed to be a mentor/leader for or we wouldn’t even know about it. I completely agree with everything you said and I’m not excusing the comment. I’m responding to others talking as if he could or should be fired but you’re right. We’ll see what happens.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 5, 2021 15:30:18 GMT -5
Nebraska is not the south. This is classic Gtown east coast ignorance. Unrelated, Manning stunk at Wake. I am sure they'll pluck some diamond in the rough if need be. You mean Kansas? Regardless, Manning was born in Hattiesburg, MS and only played one year of HS ball in KS. Previously played HS ball in North Carolina. Not certain he qualifies as having grown up as a Midwesterner. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_ManningHis dad knocked around in the NBA so not certain where his son actually grew up although his time with the Carolina Cougars suggests his son was with him since he played HS ball there. In any event, it would seem Manning has more ties to the South as opposed to his one year in HS in KS and college ball there. He was drafted in the eighth round (80th overall) of the 1967 NBA draft by the Baltimore Bullets. In four NBA seasons with the Bullets, Chicago Bulls and Portland Trail Blazers, Manning averaged 5.1 points and 4.5 rebounds per game.[3] He then played five seasons in the ABA—three with the Carolina Cougars and one each with the New York Nets and Indiana Pacers—averaging 6.6 points and 4.5 rebounds per game.[4] He later played for several professional European teams.[5] en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_ManningI meant Nebraska. The Creighton job being in Nebraska.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 5, 2021 15:41:04 GMT -5
You mean Kansas? Regardless, Manning was born in Hattiesburg, MS and only played one year of HS ball in KS. Previously played HS ball in North Carolina. Not certain he qualifies as having grown up as a Midwesterner. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_ManningHis dad knocked around in the NBA so not certain where his son actually grew up although his time with the Carolina Cougars suggests his son was with him since he played HS ball there. In any event, it would seem Manning has more ties to the South as opposed to his one year in HS in KS and college ball there. He was drafted in the eighth round (80th overall) of the 1967 NBA draft by the Baltimore Bullets. In four NBA seasons with the Bullets, Chicago Bulls and Portland Trail Blazers, Manning averaged 5.1 points and 4.5 rebounds per game.[3] He then played five seasons in the ABA—three with the Carolina Cougars and one each with the New York Nets and Indiana Pacers—averaging 6.6 points and 4.5 rebounds per game.[4] He later played for several professional European teams.[5] en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_ManningI meant Nebraska. The Creighton job being in Nebraska. Okay. Got it. He's a Southerner! 😁
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 6, 2021 9:26:58 GMT -5
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Post by hoyas315 on Mar 6, 2021 17:08:15 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 6, 2021 19:22:34 GMT -5
Meanwhile, in Queens:
13:39 1st Seton Hall 18 St. John's 0
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 6, 2021 20:17:35 GMT -5
Meanwhile, in Queens: 13:39 1st Seton Hall 18 St. John's 0 St. John's has cut the lead to 2(42-40) with about 17 minutes left...
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