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Post by centercourt400s on Apr 7, 2020 9:32:13 GMT -5
These days, players that are good are seemingly not a great fit at GU. Measured opinions and well thought out criticism have a place in all our discussions. What you wrote does not. How do you think current players on the team and recent recruits feel about your statement? I have to assume you don't care. Hopefully they are smart enough to not read any comments at all, since statements like that poison the atmosphere in places like this.
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Post by AshantiCooksBurner on Apr 7, 2020 9:33:45 GMT -5
Maybe the staff is feeling good about a 5-guard rotation of Mac, Blair, Harris, Harris, and Beard. Pickett, Wilson, Sibley, and Clark could use some help at the 3-4 positions, so maybe that’s where we end up focusing with additional recruits and transfers. For better or worse, it appears Wahab and Iggy have the 5 locked down between them. Gonna be a tough 2020-21 season. I think I am just blinded by optimism, but to me that is a solid rotation. Murray looked like a solid player, but I think he would have been the 5th best player in a 5 man recruiting class so I wouldn't say this is devastating news. PG - J.Harris - Beard/Harris SG - Mac/Blair Wing - Pickett/Sibley/Clark Big - Wahab/Iggy/Wilson. Maybe add one more frontcourt piece to the rotation via grad transfer Horne, Ivanauskas, Lindo, Nolley.. That is a roster that should make the tournament.
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Post by hoya9797 on Apr 7, 2020 9:34:04 GMT -5
These days, players that are good are seemingly not a great fit at GU. Such negativity and so inaccurate. Beard is much better than "good," same with Sibley. What player are you even talking about not being "good?" YOu know what's not "good?" Talking negative BS about "your" team when you have NO knowledge. That is profoundly not good I’m just dealing with reality here which is that the team is going to be bad next year which will make it four years of bad play under Ewing and six consecutive years total. That’s just the way it is and all the positive spin in the world will not change the result. Maybe the players are good which means the coaches are failing even worse than I thought. Whatever the reason, this is a bad team that is, at best, treading water.
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Post by seaweed on Apr 7, 2020 9:35:45 GMT -5
Such negativity and so inaccurate. Beard is much better than "good," same with Sibley. What player are you even talking about not being "good?" YOu know what's not "good?" Talking negative BS about "your" team when you have NO knowledge. That is profoundly not good I’m just dealing with reality here which is that the team is going to be bad next year which will make it four years of bad play under Ewing and six consecutive years total. That’s just the way it is and all the positive spin in the world will not change the result. Maybe the players are good which means the coaches are failing even worse than I thought. Whatever the reason, this is a bad team that is, at best, treading water. What's BAD is your attitude. You are the epitome of the "friends like that" cliche - we are much better off without fans like you who can only say negative things about the kids who represent our school.
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Post by seaweed on Apr 7, 2020 9:49:25 GMT -5
Maybe the staff is feeling good about a 5-guard rotation of Mac, Blair, Harris, Harris, and Beard. Pickett, Wilson, Sibley, and Clark could use some help at the 3-4 positions, so maybe that’s where we end up focusing with additional recruits and transfers. For better or worse, it appears Wahab and Iggy have the 5 locked down between them. Gonna be a tough 2020-21 season. I think I am just blinded by optimism, but to me that is a solid rotation. Murray looked like a solid player, but I think he would have been the 5th best player in a 5 man recruiting class so I wouldn't say this is devastating news. PG - J.Harris - Beard/Harris SG - Mac/Blair Wing - Pickett/Sibley/Clark Big - Wahab/Iggy/Wilson. Maybe add one more frontcourt piece to the rotation via grad transfer Horne, Ivanauskas, Lindo, Nolley.. That is a roster that should make the tournament. My thoughts exactly, and that is before Ewing and company start working with these kids to improve their performance. I see us getting two, maybe three All-Frosh team again as well as two on the All BEast teams at least. Nobody has an answer for Wahab and TimI inside and Wilson will be better than a project. I lime our roster. Like you, no objection to adding talent, but I would go into any gym in the country with the guys currently on board.
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Post by trillesthoya on Apr 7, 2020 9:55:27 GMT -5
I’m just dealing with reality here which is that the team is going to be bad next year which will make it four years of bad play under Ewing and six consecutive years total. That’s just the way it is and all the positive spin in the world will not change the result. Maybe the players are good which means the coaches are failing even worse than I thought. Whatever the reason, this is a bad team that is, at best, treading water. What's BAD is your attitude. You are the epitome of the "friends like that" cliche - we are much better off without fans like you who can only say negative things about the kids who represent our school. You guys really need to stop getting so heated when people have minor criticisms of the team and its trajectory. It's a natural part of any fan base, as are delusional fans that think these programs can do no wrong. A lot of people felt Murray would be an excellent contributor for this team and are disappointed we're not pursuing him, given the host of other local recruits historically we didn't pursue that ended up doing very well in college and beyond. If you disagree with their criticisms go ahead and respond to that but if your response is just "STOP BEING NEGATIVE" then there's no point to even having these forums if the whole time everyone just agrees with each other and believes everything is honky-dory.
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Post by bostonfan on Apr 7, 2020 10:18:56 GMT -5
Maybe the staff is feeling good about a 5-guard rotation of Mac, Blair, Harris, Harris, and Beard. Pickett, Wilson, Sibley, and Clark could use some help at the 3-4 positions, so maybe that’s where we end up focusing with additional recruits and transfers. For better or worse, it appears Wahab and Iggy have the 5 locked down between them. Gonna be a tough 2020-21 season. Adding a consistent wing shooter does seem to be something the roster really needs, and I think Murray might have helped fill that role, but it sounds like that is not going to work out for whatever reason. It does sound like the staff is still actively pursuing the grad transfer route for a PF and I expect they will add someone for that role in the next few weeks. As far as filling that last scholarship (assuming that is the last available one) I would think they will pursue a few different routes in finding a shooter/scorer. If they can convince Walton to commit then he would fill that role as a high school player. They may also look to add a transfer who needs to sit one year and play the following season if they see enough upside in that player to warrant giving up on finding a quality player for the upcoming year. I guess they could also look for another grad transfer as a shooter but I am not sure if bringing in 3 grad transfers in the same season is the optimal solution, as it might limit the playing time/growth of the incoming freshman.
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Post by IDenj on Apr 7, 2020 10:21:14 GMT -5
Being negative isn’t what’s going on here folks. You are what your record says you are. And the direction up this point is trending down. I do like the foundation this upcoming class should have. These look like 3/4 very solid players that could be major contributors during their Hoya career. Now the staff needs to coach them up and add some more local talent.
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Post by centercourt400s on Apr 7, 2020 10:25:12 GMT -5
What's BAD is your attitude. You are the epitome of the "friends like that" cliche - we are much better off without fans like you who can only say negative things about the kids who represent our school. You guys really need to stop getting so heated when people have minor criticisms of the team and its trajectory. It's a natural part of any fan base, as are delusional fans that think these programs can do no wrong. A lot of people felt Murray would be an excellent contributor for this team and are disappointed we're not pursuing him, given the host of other local recruits historically we didn't pursue that ended up doing very well in college and beyond. If you disagree with their criticisms go ahead and respond to that but if your response is just "STOP BEING NEGATIVE" then there's no point to even having these forums if the whole time everyone just agrees with each other and believes everything is honky-dory. Your overall point is well taken and of course there should be a free exchange of opinion and ideas on this board. Posters should not feel they can't post a negative opinion, or a positive one. However, the original post that we are responding to was nasty and way overboard, and managed to unjustly insult all our current players, all former players over the last couple of seasons, as well as all our currently committed recruits. That needed a response.
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Post by tupac on Apr 7, 2020 10:27:26 GMT -5
This is a Brandon Murray Thread.... Move this to program approach under Patrick Ewing
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 7, 2020 10:39:08 GMT -5
It's disappointing news, but not unexpected given the trajectory. The fact that we seemed to stop recruiting him is on some level reassuring, rather than just being outworked or beaten out by schools like Depaul, URI, Ole Miss etc. I don't know anything for sure but if I had to guess it seems like there was something we didn't like, whether it was an attitude issue, academics, somebody looking for a handout, or something else along those lines. I obviously have no information so don't want to slander Murray (who I've really liked from the jump), but it seems like for some unknown reason we opted out of this one. I am not sure how that aligns to what others have said about our "new recruiting strategy" where we apparently vet kids really closely before offering them. If we were doing that then why offer Murray and then relatively quickly back off? I'm not sure.
Anyway, I think he's going to be a really good player, so it's unfortunate that it didn't work out. But while I've also been critical of our recruiting in the last couple classes, I don't know that I see this one as a garden variety "miss" where we just got cut in favor of teams like Depaul and URI. The article clearly states "Murray told Rivals.com that the Hoyas are no longer recruiting him." For whatever reason it seems like this was our choice.
Still hoping we can pull a grad transfer forward (I like the idea of the kid from Colgate) to help next season; then with the last scholarship perhaps either a sit out transfer (like one of the kids from Rice, or maybe Lindo) OR a grad transfer wing (Horne?) who can help next year and then just ramp up our recruitment of wing scorers in 2021. I know it's tough to be too optimistic given how things have gone recently, but it's still totally possible that we come out of this off-season in really good shape.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 7, 2020 10:41:08 GMT -5
Maybe we are confident about a better opportunity?
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Post by hoyazeke on Apr 7, 2020 10:48:17 GMT -5
Maybe the staff is feeling good about a 5-guard rotation of Mac, Blair, Harris, Harris, and Beard. Pickett, Wilson, Sibley, and Clark could use some help at the 3-4 positions, so maybe that’s where we end up focusing with additional recruits and transfers. For better or worse, it appears Wahab and Iggy have the 5 locked down between them. Gonna be a tough 2020-21 season. I think I am just blinded by optimism, but to me that is a solid rotation. Murray looked like a solid player, but I think he would have been the 5th best player in a 5 man recruiting class so I wouldn't say this is devastating news. PG - J.Harris - Beard/Harris SG - Mac/Blair Wing - Pickett/Sibley/Clark Big - Wahab/Iggy/Wilson. Maybe add one more frontcourt piece to the rotation via grad transfer Horne, Ivanauskas, Lindo, Nolley.. That is a roster that should make the tournament. I'm with you ewingera. I truly believe if we get a healthy Mac and Q to go with Morko, Juggy and the frosh we will be good. Everything hangs on Mac coming back. But if he does we will surprise.....
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 7, 2020 10:57:55 GMT -5
These days, players that are good are seemingly not a great fit at GU. Good one
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 7, 2020 10:59:18 GMT -5
Such negativity and so inaccurate. Beard is much better than "good," same with Sibley. What player are you even talking about not being "good?" YOu know what's not "good?" Talking negative BS about "your" team when you have NO knowledge. That is profoundly not good I’m just dealing with reality here which is that the team is going to be bad next year which will make it four years of bad play under Ewing and six consecutive years total. That’s just the way it is and all the positive spin in the world will not change the result. Maybe the players are good which means the coaches are failing even worse than I thought. Whatever the reason, this is a bad team that is, at best, treading water. Nah you’re dealing with your own reality which sounds like a depressed one.
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 7, 2020 11:00:25 GMT -5
Such negativity and so inaccurate. Beard is much better than "good," same with Sibley. What player are you even talking about not being "good?" YOu know what's not "good?" Talking negative BS about "your" team when you have NO knowledge. That is profoundly not good I’m just dealing with reality here which is that the team is going to be bad next year which will make it four years of bad play under Ewing and six consecutive years total. That’s just the way it is and all the positive spin in the world will not change the result. Maybe the players are good which means the coaches are failing even worse than I thought. Whatever the reason, this is a bad team that is, at best, treading water. Also how about you stick to talking about things you actually understand? Your binary view of a programs components and measures of success reads like you don’t understand sports. Real talk.
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Post by seaweed on Apr 7, 2020 11:05:11 GMT -5
What's BAD is your attitude. You are the epitome of the "friends like that" cliche - we are much better off without fans like you who can only say negative things about the kids who represent our school. You guys really need to stop getting so heated when people have minor criticisms of the team and its trajectory. It's a natural part of any fan base, as are delusional fans that think these programs can do no wrong. A lot of people felt Murray would be an excellent contributor for this team and are disappointed we're not pursuing him, given the host of other local recruits historically we didn't pursue that ended up doing very well in college and beyond. If you disagree with their criticisms go ahead and respond to that but if your response is just "STOP BEING NEGATIVE" then there's no point to even having these forums if the whole time everyone just agrees with each other and believes everything is honky-dory. Minor criticism, yeah, that's the problem. Dude said "good" players don't want to come here and followed up with the program is "bad" and the future will be "bad" cause the team is at best "treading water." With a side swipe that it may be more "the coaches" than the players. If that is "minor criticism." I wonder what a full blown negative comment would look like. More importantly, this knuckle dragger added no actual substance, no insight into any player or reason why something was bad or not good, just a general grunt of disapproval. I stand by my reaction, which is to call the negative nabob of negativity what he is.
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 7, 2020 11:07:42 GMT -5
What's BAD is your attitude. You are the epitome of the "friends like that" cliche - we are much better off without fans like you who can only say negative things about the kids who represent our school. You guys really need to stop getting so heated when people have minor criticisms of the team and its trajectory. It's a natural part of any fan base, as are delusional fans that think these programs can do no wrong. A lot of people felt Murray would be an excellent contributor for this team and are disappointed we're not pursuing him, given the host of other local recruits historically we didn't pursue that ended up doing very well in college and beyond. If you disagree with their criticisms go ahead and respond to that but if your response is just "STOP BEING NEGATIVE" then there's no point to even having these forums if the whole time everyone just agrees with each other and believes everything is honky-dory. It’s not minor criticism. You are mentally unwell as well. YOU need to stop trying so hard to defend blatant and uninformed negativity towards a group of young men. You might be dumb and selfish enough to convince yourself that words have no impact and don’t mean anything, but they do. Saying dumb stuff over and over and screaming that the sky is falling and shutting on every player not named Otto Porter is NOT helpful at all. If you are so worried about the deficiencies of the program you would think people would avoid purposely, unnecessarily and unfairly painting the program in a negative light, right? The first amendment doesn’t say just blabber on till your heart is content without making the effort to understand the reality of the situation. Yeah yeah you’ll argue that being right is a matter of perspective, well sorry to break it to you but that’s just what people say when they’re not right. There are objective truths in this world. How about you use your Georgetown education to contribute positively instead of trying to defend the negativity constantly put forward by posters who are clearly missing something essential in their own personal lives (that’s why they take out their frustrations by picking at the game of 20 year olds they claim to support and say things they would never say to their face).
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 7, 2020 11:10:14 GMT -5
What's BAD is your attitude. You are the epitome of the "friends like that" cliche - we are much better off without fans like you who can only say negative things about the kids who represent our school. You guys really need to stop getting so heated when people have minor criticisms of the team and its trajectory. It's a natural part of any fan base, as are delusional fans that think these programs can do no wrong. A lot of people felt Murray would be an excellent contributor for this team and are disappointed we're not pursuing him, given the host of other local recruits historically we didn't pursue that ended up doing very well in college and beyond. If you disagree with their criticisms go ahead and respond to that but if your response is just "STOP BEING NEGATIVE" then there's no point to even having these forums if the whole time everyone just agrees with each other and believes everything is honky-dory. Also what you’re missing is that most fan bases are like that, but ours isn’t. Please show me posters who think everything is all fine and well. Please show me the overwhelmingly positive posts that balance out the negative posts. Oh wait, there aren’t. It’s just people like you trying to paint neutral reactions and “wait and see” perspectives as “accepting the status quo” and “Ewing apologists”. It’s such a limited logic and way of thinking. Literally insane.
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 7, 2020 11:14:08 GMT -5
Maybe we are confident about a better opportunity? See, this is how a competitor thinks. Too bad even if/when we land Walton the whole implication will go over most people’s heads anyway.
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