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Post by EtomicB on Apr 3, 2020 14:13:21 GMT -5
Reads like he and his family doing due diligence and aren't overwhelmed by the process or the hype. I don't think not mentioning Gtown means anything as to whether we are out or in. He should be able to see the hole that he can fill and a place for himself on the team. I think if we can lure a great PF that could lure him. I don't really understand recruiting so I don't know what is happening. You can't ignore how much he talked about coaches contacting him to help build a foundation, It seems like it's more than about available minutes to the kid...
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Post by NCHoya on Apr 3, 2020 14:20:54 GMT -5
I don't know, perhaps he is holding it against Georgetown for being a local school that did not really pay him any attention until the last month? It has to sting that a local school is just now creating a relationship that has existed for some time with Ole Miss, 800 miles away. If you are him, who believed in you first? You can understand a Georgia or Memphis coming to the table a bit late, but a local school has fewer excuses.
This is why it is critical to build local DMV relationships, now we are likely viewed as just another high major school showing up late to the party.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 3, 2020 14:26:45 GMT -5
I don't know, perhaps he is holding it against Georgetown for being a local school that did not really pay him any attention until the last month? It has to sting that a local school is just now creating a relationship that has existed for some time with Ole Miss, 800 miles away. If you are him, who believed in you first? You can understand a Georgia or Memphis coming to the table a bit late, but a local school has fewer excuses. This is why it is critical to build local DMV relationships, now we are likely viewed as just another high major school showing up late to the party. He's been open to Maryland, they came late also, I agree about building local relationships...
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Post by bostonfan on Apr 3, 2020 14:31:02 GMT -5
I would think that the Hoyas continued pursuit of Walton does not help with making Murray think he is a priority for Georgetown. He does discus that he is watching how the teams recruiting him are building their rosters, which to me means he wants to see that has a decent chance to earn playing time as a freshman. If the Hoyas land Walton (which I think is a long shot) then Murray would see that his path to playing time is blocked by a more highly rated recruit.
It will be shame if the Hoyas miss out on Murray as they chase after a player like Walton, who seems to be long shot.
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Post by bornhoya on Apr 3, 2020 14:34:42 GMT -5
I would think that the Hoyas continued pursuit of Walton does not help with making Murray think he is a priority for Georgetown. He does discus that he is watching how the teams recruiting him are building their rosters, which to me means he wants to see that has a decent chance to earn playing time as a freshman. If the Hoyas land Walton (which I think is a long shot) then Murray would see that his path to playing time is blocked by a more highly rated recruit. It will be shame if the Hoyas miss out on Murray as they chase after a player like Walton, who seems to be long shot. How do you know Murray wasn’t a long shot for us from the beginning.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 3, 2020 14:41:36 GMT -5
I posted this somewhere else, but since Brandon could be reading this board to help him decide, here it goes again:
If we get Brandon, I see us playing 3 guards a lot. If he’s fit, I see him playing 25-30 mpg and making the BE Rookie team. How about a lineup of Mac-Blair-Brandon-Pickett-Qudus? Great offensive team! Good size. Or, Insert Clark at the 3, move Brandon to 2, and with that size use any of the PGs.
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Post by bostonfan on Apr 3, 2020 14:46:01 GMT -5
I would think that the Hoyas continued pursuit of Walton does not help with making Murray think he is a priority for Georgetown. He does discus that he is watching how the teams recruiting him are building their rosters, which to me means he wants to see that has a decent chance to earn playing time as a freshman. If the Hoyas land Walton (which I think is a long shot) then Murray would see that his path to playing time is blocked by a more highly rated recruit. It will be shame if the Hoyas miss out on Murray as they chase after a player like Walton, who seems to be long shot. How do you know Murray wasn’t a long shot for us from the beginning. You are right, he may always have been a long shot, I don't know one way or the other. It was mentioned in an earlier post from someone who supposedly was close to him the the Hoyas were in the mix to land him a few weeks ago. Although he did say in the interview noted earlier in this thread "I’m looking at rosters, what other players they’ve offered and trying to get information on if the coaches are really true to their word". A comment like that makes me think he wants to feel like he is a priority for whatever school he commits to.
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Post by HoyaDr on Apr 3, 2020 14:51:32 GMT -5
I don't know, perhaps he is holding it against Georgetown for being a local school that did not really pay him any attention until the last month? It has to sting that a local school is just now creating a relationship that has existed for some time with Ole Miss, 800 miles away. If you are him, who believed in you first? You can understand a Georgia or Memphis coming to the table a bit late, but a local school has fewer excuses. This is why it is critical to build local DMV relationships, now we are likely viewed as just another high major school showing up late to the party. He's been open to Maryland, they came late also, I agree about building local relationships... I don't like saying this but if I am a recruit and I had a choice between UMD and GU right now, if both places offered the same amount of playing time, it would be very difficult to choose GU over UMD. Say what you will about Turgeon and College Park (location, academics, etc), the Twerps have been putting out a consistently talented roster that is usually ranked and is well seeded in the NCAA tournament for years now. I cringe every time I see them going after the same recruit no matter how late they are to the party.
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 3, 2020 15:06:18 GMT -5
You can't ignore how much he talked about coaches contacting him to help build a foundation, It seems like it's more than about available minutes to the kid... The thing that's perplexing to me as an outsider is... what else is our staff doing right now? It feels like Murray should be our #1 priority at this point. Other than Walton (who seems like an extreme longshot), are we even really actively recruiting anyone else in the class of 2020? Maybe to some extent guys like Jermontae Hill, Karim Mane, or Darius Miles, but none of those feel like they're really going anywhere either. We've clearly taken a few swings at grad transfers. But the list of prospects for next year's team doesn't seem absurdly long. And what else can the staff even be doing right now? They aren't spending long hours on the road or in the air, because it's prohibited. They're not working with the current players because campus is shut down. Perhaps they're watching tape of last year's games to try to learn from, or doing some more general study (like of NBA teams or more successful college teams). But other than that, it seems like recruiting by phone/text/facetime etc. should be the bulk of their day right now. So to hear that he has such great relationships with Ole Miss, is in "constant contact" with Depaul, and URI talks to him the most of anyone while we're nowhere to be mentioned is disappointing. I can live with losing out because we're up against a more prestigious program, a better situation etc. but can't deal with losing because we got outhustled. I don't know for sure that that's what happened, but it seems the simplest explanation on the surface.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 3, 2020 15:06:21 GMT -5
How do you know Murray wasn’t a long shot for us from the beginning. You are right, he may always have been a long shot, I don't know one way or the other. It was mentioned in an earlier post from someone who supposedly was close to him the the Hoyas were in the mix to land him a few weeks ago. Although he did say in the interview noted earlier in this thread "I’m looking at rosters, what other players they’ve offered and trying to get information on if the coaches are really true to their word". A comment like that makes me think he wants to feel like he is a priority for whatever school he commits to. I’ve been following recruiting since JTJr got Patrick Ewing, and I can tell you that the golden rule of recruiting is this: only the recruit, his parents/guardian, and maybe, depending on the relationship, his hs coach/AAU coach/mentor know what’s really going on. The rest is noise. Yes, the golden rule will have exceptions, but generally it holds true.
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Apr 3, 2020 16:30:25 GMT -5
In most cases these days the HS coach has taken a far behind back seat to the AAU coaches
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Post by hoyarooter on Apr 3, 2020 21:35:51 GMT -5
Reads like he and his family doing due diligence and aren't overwhelmed by the process or the hype. I don't think not mentioning Gtown means anything as to whether we are out or in. He should be able to see the hole that he can fill and a place for himself on the team. I think if we can lure a great PF that could lure him. I don't really understand recruiting so I don't know what is happening. This seems like a very positive way to read it. I read it more as "Georgetown? Who's Georgetown?"
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Post by dchoya72 on Apr 3, 2020 22:48:48 GMT -5
I don't know anything about this really, but we all know this staff now moves in stealthy ways. They like us, more than us, want a helluva team; and they are working hard to get it. As someone said earlier,generally only the kid knows! His parents and friends may not know. Until he commits to someone else, sadly, I will hope that he comes to the Hoyas. We only have two slots left and we need someone like him! I am counting on the coach to deliver that kind of guy!
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 5, 2020 15:55:15 GMT -5
Who knows what effect this will have on Murray's decision seeing that he's a grad transfer but they're similar in position, size & skill...
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 7, 2020 8:57:06 GMT -5
It definitely won’t be Georgetown for Brandon Murray and I couldn’t credibly say where he will land. I don’t even think he has a sense of where he might be four months from now. Murray will be unable to take any of his official visits due to the coronavirus pandemic. Murray told Rivals.com that the Hoyas are no longer recruiting him. He is primarily focused on DePaul, Georgia, Memphis, Ole Miss and Rhode Island. Of the group, I would say DePaul, Georgia and Ole Miss have the best chance. basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/twitter-tuesday-oklahoma-state-pitt-syracuse
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Post by trillesthoya on Apr 7, 2020 9:07:08 GMT -5
It definitely won’t be Georgetown for Brandon Murray and I couldn’t credibly say where he will land. I don’t even think he has a sense of where he might be four months from now. Murray will be unable to take any of his official visits due to the coronavirus pandemic. Murray told Rivals.com that the Hoyas are no longer recruiting him. He is primarily focused on DePaul, Georgia, Memphis, Ole Miss and Rhode Island. Of the group, I would say DePaul, Georgia and Ole Miss have the best chance. basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/twitter-tuesday-oklahoma-state-pitt-syracuseThis kills the trillesthoya
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 9:09:43 GMT -5
It definitely won’t be Georgetown for Brandon Murray and I couldn’t credibly say where he will land. I don’t even think he has a sense of where he might be four months from now. Murray will be unable to take any of his official visits due to the coronavirus pandemic. Murray told Rivals.com that the Hoyas are no longer recruiting him. He is primarily focused on DePaul, Georgia, Memphis, Ole Miss and Rhode Island. Of the group, I would say DePaul, Georgia and Ole Miss have the best chance. basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/twitter-tuesday-oklahoma-state-pitt-syracuseWell - that's pretty definitive. Hopefully this will once and for all end discussions on "local recruits", "wasting resources on top 100 guys", "we need shooters", "why aren't we recruiting X guy".
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Post by hoya9797 on Apr 7, 2020 9:11:43 GMT -5
These days, players that are good are seemingly not a great fit at GU.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Apr 7, 2020 9:16:28 GMT -5
Maybe the staff is feeling good about a 5-guard rotation of Mac, Blair, Harris, Harris, and Beard.
Pickett, Wilson, Sibley, and Clark could use some help at the 3-4 positions, so maybe that’s where we end up focusing with additional recruits and transfers.
For better or worse, it appears Wahab and Iggy have the 5 locked down between them.
Gonna be a tough 2020-21 season.
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Post by seaweed on Apr 7, 2020 9:28:55 GMT -5
These days, players that are good are seemingly not a great fit at GU. Such negativity and so inaccurate. Beard is much better than "good," same with Sibley. Clark may be better than all of them and we have no idea what Wilson will look like with a year of practice and bulking up under his belt. What player are you even talking about not being "good?" YOu know what's not "good?" Talking negative BS about "your" team when you have NO knowledge. That is profoundly not good
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