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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 11, 2020 18:42:39 GMT -5
Another coach ready to get put out to pasture.
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Post by daveg023 on Jan 11, 2020 19:13:44 GMT -5
SMU and Ok State both lost today. Those wins with Texas are becoming less and less impressive. Syracuse did win against UVA, so that helps a little.
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Post by tribeninerhoya on Jan 11, 2020 19:31:40 GMT -5
Their recruiting ranking are in the top 10-15 every year. This is way out of line to say to/about a bunch of 17-20 year olds to try to CYA and make you feel better about yourself. And it’s not like this is the first time he’s shown his a**, either. As for this: (1) if it’s a problem of not being talented, then why did you recruit them? (2) if it’s a problem of not fitting your system, then why did you recruit them or not adjust your gameplan? (3) if it’s a problem of them not being properly motivated, then that falls on the coach. And it’s not like they’re distracted by the things athletes at other schools deal with, like going to class. You mean to tell me that UNC-CH is less talented than Wofford? He’s just getting out-coached and is trying to point the finger at anyone else. He’s never actually had to coach; at both UNC-CHeat and Kansas he just trots in a McD’s AA to replace one of the five 4/5-star recruits he’s got on the floor (and those schools practically recruit themselves). Roy Williams is basically the guy who will always try to out-talent you, but he won’t out-coach you. If you can’t beat Wofford, GT, Pitt, etc., with these recruits in year 17 of your tenure because they aren’t talented enough, then MAYBE it’s a reflection of you: 2019: 2 5-star, 1 4-star, 1 3-star (ranked 9th) 2018: 2 5-star, 1 4-star (ranked 13th) 2017: 2 4-star, 3 3-star (ranked 19th) 2016: 1 5-star, 2 4-star (ranked 14th) Total: 5 5-star, 6 4-star, 6 3-star, and classes ranged 9th to 19th over the past 4 years. For comparison, in that same timeframe: Pitt signed 0 5-star players, 3 4-star players, and their class ranks ranged from 32nd to 112th. Georgia Tech signed 0 5-star players, 1 4-star player, and their classes ranged from 47th to 120th. TL,DR: I’ve seen little evidence of Roy Williams ever coaching; it’s more just taking a bunch of talent and throwing it at you in waves. Not making excuses for Roy or even thinking he should’ve said it but he’s not wrong when you factor in the injuries which is clearly what he was talking about.. They have 3 4⭐️ and the other 5 guys playing are 3 or no stars. That’s about as untalented of a UNC roster as you will ever see. They also don’t really have a PG right now and we know how that goes. He had all his eggs in the Cole/Bacot basket and then the bottom fell out of the basket. every team has injuries, etc. they’re still more loaded than most teams- including those teams they’re losing to. They certainly are more talented than GT, for example, who has signed 1 4-star player in the last four years. He’s getting beat because he can’t rely on vastly unequal talent and he would have to out coach someone.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 11, 2020 20:45:13 GMT -5
Not making excuses for Roy or even thinking he should’ve said it but he’s not wrong when you factor in the injuries which is clearly what he was talking about.. They have 3 4⭐️ and the other 5 guys playing are 3 or no stars. That’s about as untalented of a UNC roster as you will ever see. They also don’t really have a PG right now and we know how that goes. He had all his eggs in the Cole/Bacot basket and then the bottom fell out of the basket. every team has injuries, etc. they’re still more loaded than most teams- including those teams they’re losing to. They certainly are more talented than GT, for example, who has signed 1 4-star player in the last four years. He’s getting beat because he can’t rely on vastly unequal talent and he would have to out coach someone.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 11, 2020 21:25:30 GMT -5
every team has injuries, etc. they’re still more loaded than most teams- including those teams they’re losing to. They certainly are more talented than GT, for example, who has signed 1 4-star player in the last four years. He’s getting beat because he can’t rely on vastly unequal talent and he would have to out coach someone. Props to Roy! Our two previous coaches never admitted when they let their players down. We’ll see about our current one.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 11, 2020 21:36:25 GMT -5
Admitting you let your players down too often is a quick way to early retirement. 😉
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 11, 2020 21:49:20 GMT -5
Early retirement would probably be a good move for our coach.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 11, 2020 22:40:30 GMT -5
Another coach ready to get put out to pasture. Roy takes this so personally because he knows what this streak meant to the Carolina fan base and he let them down. This has been going on for 69 consecutive years and they lost a 10 point lead in the last 1:55. Even worse, it was the first time in the history of the Dean Smith Center (1986-present) that Carolina has lost consecutive games while leading at the half. He carries the weight of being Dean's heir every day. Dean didn't lose games like this. With his ongoing health problems, this could really weigh on Williams' future going forward. Being 8-8 doesn't help. As per the link below, "We might have to turn to Dean Smith to remember what to do with a mistake: recognize it, admit it, learn from it and forget it. Williams recognized it as it was happening. He admitted it in front of a room full of cameras and recorders. Odds are that he'll learn from it...but he'll never, ever forget it. You could hear it in the way his voice cracked." goheels.com/news/2020/1/11/mens-basketball-lucas-failure.aspx
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 11, 2020 23:01:21 GMT -5
Early retirement would probably be a good move for our coach. Or for some posters.
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Post by tribeninerhoya on Jan 12, 2020 6:12:51 GMT -5
every team has injuries, etc. they’re still more loaded than most teams- including those teams they’re losing to. They certainly are more talented than GT, for example, who has signed 1 4-star player in the last four years. He’s getting beat because he can’t rely on vastly unequal talent and he would have to out coach someone. Yeah. That’s following backlash from this week when he already doubled down on his comments and got more backlash. Maybe I’m cynical from working/having worked in college athletics at the conference and school level- I can tell you what his reputation/MO is; but, maybe he’s becoming more self-aware this week. Either way, this is a much better look for a coach than throwing 17-20 year olds under the bus. He went further, even, saying "Gotta tell Bubba he should probably fire me, it probably wouldn't be a bad idea," Williams said, folding up a stat sheet to put in his jacket pocket. "The coach is supposed to help his kids. I didn't help them very much.''
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Post by NCHoya on Jan 12, 2020 8:55:11 GMT -5
This really does make me wonder which coaches win just through recruiting better players as opposed to being great coaches themselves. I believe a portion of these HOFers are actually just great recruiters of talent versus actual technicians and true coaches. Sometimes I wonder what a Roy Williams would do with a roster of a mid major? I guess he is showing us, and his roster today is still far more talented than any mid major. I used rivals as a ranking database and he still started 4 guys that were 4 star or better yesterday - Brooks, Bacot, Black and Robinson.
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Post by dchoya72 on Jan 12, 2020 9:16:48 GMT -5
Props to Roy! Our two previous coaches never admitted when they let their players down. We’ll see about our current one. PRHoya, How is Coach Ewing letting his team down? Please explain old timer!
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jan 12, 2020 9:19:12 GMT -5
This really does make me wonder which coaches win just through recruiting better players as opposed to being great coaches themselves. I believe a portion of these HOFers are actually just great recruiters of talent versus actual technicians and true coaches. Sometimes I wonder what a Roy Williams would do with a roster of a mid major? I guess he is showing us, and his roster today is still far more talented than any mid major. I used rivals as a ranking database and he still started 4 guys that were 4 star or better yesterday - Brooks, Bacot, Black and Robinson. Roy Williams is one of the greatest coaches of his generation but he's struggling this season and the circumstances of getting his 9th win this season--which would move him past Dean Smith in career victories--is weighing heavily on him. UNC has lost five of eight and three straight at home, any of which would have allowed him to break the record. He faces the possibility of missing the NCAA's for only the second time in his entire career and with all the talent he has, that's got to be disturbing to him.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 12, 2020 11:15:47 GMT -5
Props to Roy! Our two previous coaches never admitted when they let their players down. We’ll see about our current one. PRHoya, How is Coach Ewing letting his team down? Please explain old timer! That’s not what I wrote.
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Post by dchoya72 on Jan 12, 2020 12:47:18 GMT -5
PRHoya, How is Coach Ewing letting his team down? Please explain old timer! That’s not what I wrote. Okay.
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Post by HamptonHoya on Jan 12, 2020 17:03:55 GMT -5
Early retirement would probably be a good move for our coach. Are you serious!?!
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 12, 2020 17:43:04 GMT -5
Early retirement would probably be a good move for our coach. Are you serious!?! Yes. I’ve seen enough. It’s time for this to end.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 12, 2020 20:51:16 GMT -5
Yes. I’ve seen enough. It’s time for this to end. Please turn out the lights when you leave.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 12, 2020 22:01:21 GMT -5
I’m curious, what have you seen in these three years that makes you think the coaching staff is any good?
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Jan 12, 2020 22:50:56 GMT -5
Roy cries like 8 times a year in pressers. Nothing new here.
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