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Post by practice on Dec 4, 2019 12:59:00 GMT -5
All we have now is accusations...no proof...anybody can accuse anybody of anything...innocent until PROVEN guilty...if it turns out that they are proven guilty then I'm confident that the appropriate actions will be taken...but if there is insufficient evidence to support that, I don't think they should be denied the opportunity to continue to play...we need to her the WHOLE story before condemning anyone, and I'm PE is taking that position... Playing college basketball is a privilege, not a right. Innocent until proven guilty is an exacting legal standard that we have because putting someone in prison must only be done when there is no reasonable doubt that the convict committed the crime. We're not talking about putting anyone in prison. We're talking about suspending basketball players who a JUDGE has determined have a substantial likelihood of losing at trial, and who a judge entered a restraining order against, until their legal proceedings play out. Needing a criminal conviction before taking action is the absolute lowest standard anyone can possibly hold. Georgetown says they hold themselves to a higher standard. Not to make light of the situation, but you are an uniformed buffoon who -- like the rest of us -- has very limited facts on what is going on. I could print your last 3 or 4 posts and likely get a TRO on you for assaulting and insulting the vast majority of posters and readers on here. All the judge had was a police report -- only informed by the alleged victim -- and a form -- filled out by the alleged victim. What planet are you from where you think it's a certainty that these allegations are true? Where you there? |
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Post by hilltophoya on Dec 4, 2019 13:13:29 GMT -5
I have a friend who works in the Title IX office at a major university. She stressed the same point mentioned in that second tweet: universities are becoming increasingly cautious about taking formal disciplinary actions against students without first exhausting their due process rights ( i.e., completing the university disciplinary process). |
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 4, 2019 13:22:24 GMT -5
Some whispers out there that Akinjo was upset at being referred to as selfish in Coach Ewing postgame press conference (again) after the UNC-G game which started/restarted his frustrations leading him and his people requesting the transfer. Ewing never addressed by name who on the team was selfish but hey if the shoe fits... There is also some media that have come out stating Akinjo's people say he's looking for a place he could be the focal point aka the man. There is also some smoke that he questioned Coach Ewing's play through Yurt7 offense. Rain or shine, Akinjo got 30 plus minutes a game, lead the team in FGA per game in a highly PG friendly NBA style offense with a lot of pnr & pnp actions. Meanwhile doing all this since day 1 as a freshman. I'm not sure he's going to find a better circumstance at a high major program then the one he's leaving. Questioning the HC is also not a good look that will probably give some potential other HC's pause/concern that he might be difficult to coach. Based on info available, I hope this wasn't a basketball only decision. If so, he's getting very bad advice. I wish him luck in finding whatever he thinks he's missing/looking for... I've wondered if he spoke to Lilliard before making this decision. I don't think we will ever know in the near term. I am not saying that someone won't take him, but it is not a good look. |
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Post by royski on Dec 4, 2019 13:28:04 GMT -5
Playing college basketball is a privilege, not a right. Innocent until proven guilty is an exacting legal standard that we have because putting someone in prison must only be done when there is no reasonable doubt that the convict committed the crime. We're not talking about putting anyone in prison. We're talking about suspending basketball players who a JUDGE has determined have a substantial likelihood of losing at trial, and who a judge entered a restraining order against, until their legal proceedings play out. Needing a criminal conviction before taking action is the absolute lowest standard anyone can possibly hold. Georgetown says they hold themselves to a higher standard. Not to make light of the situation, but you are an uniformed buffoon who -- like the rest of us -- has very limited facts on what is going on. I could print your last 3 or 4 posts and likely get a TRO on you for assaulting and insulting the vast majority of posters and readers on here. All the judge had was a police report -- only informed by the alleged victim -- and a form -- filled out by the alleged victim. What planet are you from where you think it's a certainty that these allegations are true? Where you there? The TRO was on 11/14. I'm talking about the preliminary injunction on 11/20, which was entered after an evidentiary hearing that our players didn't bother showing up at since they were traveling to play and represent the University against Texas. Try to keep up. To quote the judge in his Order after that hearing, at which one of the complainants testified under oath, "The Court finds as follows: Plaintiff will likely suffer irreparable harm in the absence of injunctive relief. There is substantial likelihood Plaintiff will prevail on the merits of the claim." Try to have some clue what you're talking about before calling someone else a buffoon. The Judge was not merely working off a form and a police report. He was working off of the Plaintiff's sworn testimony, which he clearly found credible. |
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Post by bigskyhoya on Dec 4, 2019 13:49:33 GMT -5
I have not read all of the threads on this topic. Do we know now whether Gardener and Alexander are still on the team or suspended, or are we all waiting for game time?
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Post by BigmanU on Dec 4, 2019 14:03:09 GMT -5
I have not read all of the threads on this topic. Do we know now whether Gardener and Alexander are still on the team or suspended, or are we all waiting for game time? The are definitely on the team because they are on the official roster. I would assume they also would play, why would they be suspended now? www.guhoyas.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster |
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 4, 2019 14:16:20 GMT -5
I have not read all of the threads on this topic. Do we know now whether Gardener and Alexander are still on the team or suspended, or are we all waiting for game time? The are definitely on the team because they are on the official roster. I would assume they also would play, why would they be suspended now? www.guhoyas.com/sports/mens-basketball/rosterAlexander is gonna stay. If it turns out he did nothing wrong he’s vindicated and stays. If he had to go it’s going to be hard to transfer given the two strikes (the other being at LSU. |
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Post by practice on Dec 4, 2019 14:19:02 GMT -5
Not to make light of the situation, but you are an uniformed buffoon who -- like the rest of us -- has very limited facts on what is going on. I could print your last 3 or 4 posts and likely get a TRO on you for assaulting and insulting the vast majority of posters and readers on here. All the judge had was a police report -- only informed by the alleged victim -- and a form -- filled out by the alleged victim. What planet are you from where you think it's a certainty that these allegations are true? Where you there? The TRO was on 11/14. I'm talking about the preliminary injunction on 11/20, which was entered after an evidentiary hearing that our players didn't bother showing up at since they were traveling to play and represent the University against Texas. Try to keep up. To quote the judge in his Order after that hearing, at which one of the complainants testified under oath, "The Court finds as follows: Plaintiff will likely suffer irreparable harm in the absence of injunctive relief. There is substantial likelihood Plaintiff will prevail on the merits of the claim." Try to have some clue what you're talking about before calling someone else a buffoon. The Judge was not merely working off a form and a police report. He was working off of the Plaintiff's sworn testimony, which he clearly found credible. Your are still insufferable. The judge had one set of facts. |
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Post by kettlehill on Dec 4, 2019 14:22:15 GMT -5
I just don’t get where James is coming from, if he thinks that he should be the “Man”. First of all, in PEs system, he was as close to being the “the Man” as is possible. In the UNCG game, there were many awful performances, but his stood out. Yet Pat played him 30 + minutes, when IMHO he should have been sitting most of the second half instead of driving into traffic time and again.
Secondly, James is a fine player and point guard, but he is not nor ever will be Markus Howard or Myles Powell. He should emulate Cassius Winston, a savy, tough leader who makes his teamates better. Like Cassius, James does not have the physical skills to be a NBA player. Europe maybe. I think this is an immature kid, but I hope he finds a coach who can bring out the best in him. The problem is, if he gave up on his team midseason even with the very long leash that Coach Ewing gave him, he may have a problem finding a coach with a top program willing....
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Post by iowa80 on Dec 4, 2019 14:46:02 GMT -5
I just don’t get where James is coming from, if he thinks that he should be the “Man”. First of all, in PEs system, he was as close to being the “the Man” as is possible. In the UNCG game, there were many awful performances, but his stood out. Yet Pat played him 30 + minutes, when IMHO he should have been sitting most of the second half instead of driving into traffic time and again. Secondly, James is a fine player and point guard, but he is not nor ever will be Markus Howard or Myles Powell. He should emulate Cassius Winston, a savy, tough leader who makes his teamates better. Like Cassius, James does not have the physical skills to be a NBA player. Europe maybe. I think this is an immature kid, but I hope he finds a coach who can bring out the best in him. The problem is, if he gave up on his team midseason even with the very long leash that Coach Ewing gave him, he may have a problem finding a coach with a top program willing.... Is there any verifiable substance to the proposition that James' primary dissatisfaction was his role and time on the court? This seems, on the surface, to be rumor built upon speculation to establish fact. Certainly the fact that he's left the program is proof that he was unhappy. But with what? A short while ago he was named to the all tournament team (along with Yurt) after a couple of high-profile games in Madison Square Garden. Of course this is all my speculation but I'm guessing that--right or wrong--James' issues didn't have a lot to do with what went on on the court. |
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Post by the_way on Dec 4, 2019 14:49:18 GMT -5
I just don’t get where James is coming from, if he thinks that he should be the “Man”. First of all, in PEs system, he was as close to being the “the Man” as is possible. In the UNCG game, there were many awful performances, but his stood out. Yet Pat played him 30 + minutes, when IMHO he should have been sitting most of the second half instead of driving into traffic time and again. Secondly, James is a fine player and point guard, but he is not nor ever will be Markus Howard or Myles Powell. He should emulate Cassius Winston, a savy, tough leader who makes his teamates better. Like Cassius, James does not have the physical skills to be a NBA player. Europe maybe. I think this is an immature kid, but I hope he finds a coach who can bring out the best in him. The problem is, if he gave up on his team midseason even with the very long leash that Coach Ewing gave him, he may have a problem finding a coach with a top program willing.... We don't know where James is coming from because we haven't heard it from his mouth. All we get are rumors or tweets from a family member. Not James himself. So we don't know, and we may never know. All we know is that he is no longer with the team. James was a good kid, who was highly confident in his ability. That ability helped us win games last year. It earned him Big East rookie of the year. He is also young and still had room for growth, like most young players. If he was unhappy, maybe a different scenery was best for all parties. |
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Post by TC on Dec 4, 2019 14:59:12 GMT -5
I have a friend who works in the Title IX office at a major university. She stressed the same point mentioned in that second tweet: universities are becoming increasingly cautious about taking formal disciplinary actions against students without first exhausting their due process rights ( i.e., completing the university disciplinary process). |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 4, 2019 15:02:18 GMT -5
Why wouldn't the school simply say whether they are playing tonight? We are going to all find out in a few hours. That has nothing to do with FERPA.
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Post by TC on Dec 4, 2019 15:04:22 GMT -5
Why wouldn't the school simply say whether they are playing tonight? We are going to all find out in a few hours. That has nothing to do with FERPA. Because they don't like to deal with the media and are entirely apathetic about whatever fanbase they have. |
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 4, 2019 15:04:31 GMT -5
I have not read all of the threads on this topic. Do we know now whether Gardener and Alexander are still on the team or suspended, or are we all waiting for game time? The are definitely on the team because they are on the official roster. I would assume they also would play, why would they be suspended now? www.guhoyas.com/sports/mens-basketball/rosterSee the Matt Norlander tweet later on this page as to why they might be suspended now. Every telecast will likely have commentators speaking about and graphics showing that legal proceedings involving Alexander and Gardner are ongoing. I get that it would be inconsistent to suspend Alexander/Gardner now when they weren't suspended previously. And I get that the administration has made the decision to use FERPA as a shield and determine that the best strategy is to be consistent with previous actions, meaning no suspension. However, from a PR standpoint, this is asking for trouble, now that the TRO/civil lawsuit information is out in the public domain. |
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 4, 2019 15:05:46 GMT -5
Why wouldn't the school simply say whether they are playing tonight? We are going to all find out in a few hours. That has nothing to do with FERPA. Ratings! Stay tuned for subscribe |
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 4, 2019 15:06:42 GMT -5
Why would the school need to comment about players not being suspended?
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 4, 2019 15:07:58 GMT -5
Why wouldn't the school simply say whether they are playing tonight? We are going to all find out in a few hours. That has nothing to do with FERPA. Because they don't like to deal with the media and are entirely apathetic about whatever fanbase they have. OR, they choose to err on the side of privacy and be extra cautious with sensitive situations like this one. |
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Post by TC on Dec 4, 2019 15:10:09 GMT -5
Because they don't like to deal with the media and are entirely apathetic about whatever fanbase they have. OR, they choose to err on the side of privacy and be extra cautious with sensitive situations like this one. Suspended (y/n)? is not a privacy issue nor is it a sensitive situation. In fact - and I know this is going to blow your mind - but many teams actually like to promote their gametime lineups. It's quite shocking, but it does happen. |
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Post by iowa80 on Dec 4, 2019 15:12:34 GMT -5
Because they don't like to deal with the media and are entirely apathetic about whatever fanbase they have. OR, they choose to err on the side of privacy and be extra cautious with sensitive situations like this one. I don't doubt the extra cautious part since it's the school's default stance. The question is whether it's a feature or a bug. As far as privacy goes, it's a temporary benefit at best since the situation will likely speak for itself tonight. That's a very temporary privacy benefit. |
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