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Post by johnnysnowplow on Dec 4, 2019 10:25:49 GMT -5
Can't have it both ways. 1) LeBlanc was being disciplined for his legal issues, and decided to transfer along with Akinjo, leading to this all coming out. That's not necessarily on Ewing, though it raises serious questions about why he was playing at all, why Gardner and Alexander are not being disciplined, and why all 3 players were playing after the prelimanary injunction on 11/15, which should absolutely carry more weight than an internal school investigation. OR 2) LeBlanc was being disciplined for an unrelated reason, and decided to transfer along with Akinjo, leading to this all coming out. That absolutely is on Ewing if he simply lost the confidence of his best players, to the point that they chose to transfer in the middle of the season. If that's truly the case, as the school is implying, he must be fired. That is unacceptable job performance. As much as you would like this be a binary situation, it simply is not. There are so many variables here and so much information we don’t know and probably will never know. Kids leave programs all the time for lots of reasons. Does it suck it happened to us? Absolutely. But we have literally no idea what’s gone on behind closed doors between Ewing and these two young men. I said it earlier and I’ll say it again, I’m of the opinion that our offense is going to improve without Akinjo. Josh is a much bigger loss imo, but we have guys that can step up. We’re not devoid of talent. Assuming Gardner and Alexander remain with the team, we’re not going to end up in the cellar. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 4, 2019 10:31:23 GMT -5
I said it earlier and I’ll say it again, I’m of the opinion that our offense is going to improve without Akinjo. Josh is a much bigger loss imo, but we have guys that can step up. We’re not devoid of talent. Assuming Gardner and Alexander remain with the team, we’re not going to end up in the cellar. I hope you're right. Obviously, it's early in the season, but even with Akinjo and LeBlanc we were 9th of 10th in KenPom in the Big East. I am not sure we will fall below St. John's, but let's not forget this was a team that was struggling this season even with Akinjo and LeBlanc. While I do think many fans tended to overestimate Akinjo's abilities, he was still a good player, and a big loss. And, LeBlanc was a great defensive presence and very efficient offensively too. It's just hard to see how losing them will not hurt us on both sides of the ball. If there's ever a time for Ewing to put in a good coaching performance, now is it. |
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Post by royski on Dec 4, 2019 10:34:55 GMT -5
Can't have it both ways. 1) LeBlanc was being disciplined for his legal issues, and decided to transfer along with Akinjo, leading to this all coming out. That's not necessarily on Ewing, though it raises serious questions about why he was playing at all, why Gardner and Alexander are not being disciplined, and why all 3 players were playing after the prelimanary injunction on 11/15, which should absolutely carry more weight than an internal school investigation. OR 2) LeBlanc was being disciplined for an unrelated reason, and decided to transfer along with Akinjo, leading to this all coming out. That absolutely is on Ewing if he simply lost the confidence of his best players, to the point that they chose to transfer in the middle of the season. If that's truly the case, as the school is implying, he must be fired. That is unacceptable job performance. As much as you would like this be a binary situation, it simply is not. There are so many variables here and so much information we don’t know and probably will never know. Kids leave programs all the time for lots of reasons. Does it suck it happened to us? Absolutely. But we have literally no idea what’s gone on behind closed doors between Ewing and these two young men. I said it earlier and I’ll say it again, I’m of the opinion that our offense is going to improve without Akinjo. Josh is a much bigger loss imo, but we have guys that can step up. We’re not devoid of talent. Assuming Gardner and Alexander remain with the team, we’re not going to end up in the cellar. It actually is a binary situation. We know that LeBlanc was disciplined on 11/6. So he was either disciplined for his legal issues, or he was disciplined for a different reason. Either one raises major unanswered questions. And speculation is what you get when you refuse to answer major questions. This is not just an embarrassment for the program and a likely insurmountable hurdle to meeting expectations on the court, it is a major embarrassment for Georgetown University. A google search of "Georgetown" right now gives you countless articles at the top of the page on our players' legal proceedings involving sexual harassment, burglary, assault, and battery. Two of those players are still playing on the team, even as legal proceedings against them move forward. I believe in accountability. Nearly a third of the roster has been accused under oath of serious crimes in Court. If we include last year, it's 6 players in two years. That's not meeting the standard that I hold Georgetown Basketball to. Maybe it meets your standard, and you think it's fine to pay a coach more than any other University employee to preside over this mess. I think the buck stops with the head coach, and he has not done the most important part of his job, which is running a clean program that we can all be proud of. It's time to clean house. |
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Post by DallasHoya on Dec 4, 2019 10:41:36 GMT -5
I just RSVP’d to a “Georgetown Athletics VIP Event” in Dallas on the Friday night before the SMU game, hosted by Lou Reed and Patrick Ewing, Jr. Should be interesting.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Dec 4, 2019 10:50:06 GMT -5
I said it earlier and I’ll say it again, I’m of the opinion that our offense is going to improve without Akinjo. Josh is a much bigger loss imo, but we have guys that can step up. We’re not devoid of talent. Assuming Gardner and Alexander remain with the team, we’re not going to end up in the cellar. I hope you're right. Obviously, it's early in the season, but even with Akinjo and LeBlanc we were 9th of 10th in KenPom in the Big East. I am not sure we will fall below St. John's, but let's not forget this was a team that was struggling this season even with Akinjo and LeBlanc. While I do think many fans tended to overestimate Akinjo's abilities, he was still a good player, and a big loss. And, LeBlanc was a great defensive presence and very efficient offensively too. It's just hard to see how losing them will not hurt us on both sides of the ball. If there's ever a time for Ewing to put in a good coaching performance, now is it. I’ve just been starting to feel recently like our offense bogs down way more than it should with Akinjo. Talented player no doubt about it, but pretty indisputably a selfish player who looks for his own shot a lot more than he should. He struggles to finish at the rim and he hasn’t shot particularly well from outside this year. Maybe I’m wrong, but I am interested to at least see what our offense eventually looks like without him. More ball movement, more looking for open men, more extra passes, and less pounding the ball into the floor, less driving into traffic, and less 19 foot jump shots. No argument on Leblanc. I’ve considered him our best player since he arrived. We can’t truly replace what he does, but I do think there are guys who can pick up some of the slack (unfortunately two of those guys are mixed up in this whole mess). |
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Dec 4, 2019 10:50:26 GMT -5
See you there.
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Post by iowa80 on Dec 4, 2019 10:54:36 GMT -5
I said it earlier and I’ll say it again, I’m of the opinion that our offense is going to improve without Akinjo. Josh is a much bigger loss imo, but we have guys that can step up. We’re not devoid of talent. Assuming Gardner and Alexander remain with the team, we’re not going to end up in the cellar. I hope you're right. Obviously, it's early in the season, but even with Akinjo and LeBlanc we were 9th of 10th in KenPom in the Big East. I am not sure we will fall below St. John's, but let's not forget this was a team that was struggling this season even with Akinjo and LeBlanc. While I do think many fans tended to overestimate Akinjo's abilities, he was still a good player, and a big loss. And, LeBlanc was a great defensive presence and very efficient offensively too. It's just hard to see how losing them will not hurt us on both sides of the ball. If there's ever a time for Ewing to put in a good coaching performance, now is it. No one forced Patrick to give the keys to Akinjo and provide him with as much playing time as he did. I don't have an issue with that, but it strikes me that expecting the offense to improve without Akinjo is in effect questioning Patrick's decision-making. |
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Dec 4, 2019 10:57:47 GMT -5
On a positive, with the excessively quick news cycle we are essentially out of it at this point outside of the few diehard fans around the program.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Dec 4, 2019 10:57:47 GMT -5
I hope you're right. Obviously, it's early in the season, but even with Akinjo and LeBlanc we were 9th of 10th in KenPom in the Big East. I am not sure we will fall below St. John's, but let's not forget this was a team that was struggling this season even with Akinjo and LeBlanc. While I do think many fans tended to overestimate Akinjo's abilities, he was still a good player, and a big loss. And, LeBlanc was a great defensive presence and very efficient offensively too. It's just hard to see how losing them will not hurt us on both sides of the ball. If there's ever a time for Ewing to put in a good coaching performance, now is it. No one forced Patrick to give the keys to Akinjo and provide him with as much playing time as he did. I don't have an issue with that, but it strikes me that expecting the offense to improve without Akinjo is in effect questioning Patrick's decision-making. Agree w this. I feel the same goes for people expecting Tim and Wilson to contribute if we are also down Alexander and Gardner. Ewing obviously felt they are not able to contribute at this point by their combined zero minutes. If they come in and succeed great but I dont think Ewing should necessarily get credit for that...acknowledging the obvious he did recruit them... |
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Dec 4, 2019 10:58:41 GMT -5
As much as you would like this be a binary situation, it simply is not. There are so many variables here and so much information we don’t know and probably will never know. Kids leave programs all the time for lots of reasons. Does it suck it happened to us? Absolutely. But we have literally no idea what’s gone on behind closed doors between Ewing and these two young men. I said it earlier and I’ll say it again, I’m of the opinion that our offense is going to improve without Akinjo. Josh is a much bigger loss imo, but we have guys that can step up. We’re not devoid of talent. Assuming Gardner and Alexander remain with the team, we’re not going to end up in the cellar. It actually is a binary situation. We know that LeBlanc was disciplined on 11/6. So he was either disciplined for his legal issues, or he was disciplined for a different reason. Either one raises major unanswered questions. And speculation is what you get when you refuse to answer major questions. This is not just an embarrassment for the program and a likely insurmountable hurdle to meeting expectations on the court, it is a major embarrassment for Georgetown University. A google search of "Georgetown" right now gives you countless articles at the top of the page on our players' legal proceedings involving sexual harassment, burglary, assault, and battery. Two of those players are still playing on the team, even as legal proceedings against them move forward. I believe in accountability. Nearly a third of the roster has been accused under oath of serious crimes in Court. If we include last year, it's 6 players in two years. That's not meeting the standard that I hold Georgetown Basketball to. Maybe it meets your standard, and you think it's fine to pay a coach more than any other University employee to preside over this mess. I think the buck stops with the head coach, and he has not done the most important part of his job, which is running a clean program that we can all be proud of. It's time to clean house. How’s the weather up on that tall-ass horse? People like you jumping to ridiculous conclusions with almost no facts is how the Duke lacrosse mess happened. People’s lives were changed and reputations irreparably damaged because some institution decided to act on speculation to protect their elitist image. And those were FAR worse allegations than anything our guys have been accused of. So why don’t you take a lap, gather yourself, and wait for the process to play out before demanding that heads start rolling. |
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Dec 4, 2019 11:09:15 GMT -5
Amen, johnnysnowplow, amen!
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Post by robbyt on Dec 4, 2019 11:27:10 GMT -5
I hope you're right. Obviously, it's early in the season, but even with Akinjo and LeBlanc we were 9th of 10th in KenPom in the Big East. I am not sure we will fall below St. John's, but let's not forget this was a team that was struggling this season even with Akinjo and LeBlanc. While I do think many fans tended to overestimate Akinjo's abilities, he was still a good player, and a big loss. And, LeBlanc was a great defensive presence and very efficient offensively too. It's just hard to see how losing them will not hurt us on both sides of the ball. If there's ever a time for Ewing to put in a good coaching performance, now is it. No one forced Patrick to give the keys to Akinjo and provide him with as much playing time as he did. I don't have an issue with that, but it strikes me that expecting the offense to improve without Akinjo is in effect questioning Patrick's decision-making. Not really, Ewing gave Akinjo a chance bc he's a talented player, it doesn't mean he wasn't able to pull the plug on Akinjo and sit him it's only the start of Akinjo's second season. |
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 4, 2019 11:47:01 GMT -5
As much as you would like this be a binary situation, it simply is not. There are so many variables here and so much information we don’t know and probably will never know. Kids leave programs all the time for lots of reasons. Does it suck it happened to us? Absolutely. But we have literally no idea what’s gone on behind closed doors between Ewing and these two young men. I said it earlier and I’ll say it again, I’m of the opinion that our offense is going to improve without Akinjo. Josh is a much bigger loss imo, but we have guys that can step up. We’re not devoid of talent. Assuming Gardner and Alexander remain with the team, we’re not going to end up in the cellar. It actually is a binary situation. We know that LeBlanc was disciplined on 11/6. So he was either disciplined for his legal issues, or he was disciplined for a different reason. Either one raises major unanswered questions. And speculation is what you get when you refuse to answer major questions. This is not just an embarrassment for the program and a likely insurmountable hurdle to meeting expectations on the court, it is a major embarrassment for Georgetown University. A google search of "Georgetown" right now gives you countless articles at the top of the page on our players' legal proceedings involving sexual harassment, burglary, assault, and battery. Two of those players are still playing on the team, even as legal proceedings against them move forward. I believe in accountability. Nearly a third of the roster has been accused under oath of serious crimes in Court. If we include last year, it's 6 players in two years. That's not meeting the standard that I hold Georgetown Basketball to. Maybe it meets your standard, and you think it's fine to pay a coach more than any other University employee to preside over this mess. I think the buck stops with the head coach, and he has not done the most important part of his job, which is running a clean program that we can all be proud of. It's time to clean house. I agree with you. We've been told many, many times that GU does things "the right way" and things are different here. If that's true, in my mind, that means these players are going to be held to a high standard which includes not playing when stuff like this happens. They should have been immediately suspended from the team until it all got sorted out. And, I don't want to hear this BS about how the coach had his hands tied. The coach has extremely wide latitude to run the team how he wants. There is no way he can suspend a player for a vague "violation of team rules" issue but not for accusations of burglary and assault. |
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Post by s4hoyas on Dec 4, 2019 12:23:16 GMT -5
All we have now is accusations...no proof...anybody can accuse anybody of anything...innocent until PROVEN guilty...if it turns out that they are proven guilty
then I'm confident that the appropriate actions will be taken...but if there is insufficient evidence to support that, I don't think they should be denied the opportunity to continue to play...we need to her the WHOLE story before condemning anyone, and I'm PE is taking that position...
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Dec 4, 2019 12:27:02 GMT -5
All we have now is accusations...no proof...anybody can accuse anybody of anything...innocent until PROVEN guilty...if it turns out that they are proven guilty then I'm confident that the appropriate actions will be taken...but if there is insufficient evidence to support that, I don't think they should be denied the opportunity to continue to play...we need to her the WHOLE story before condemning anyone, and I'm PE is taking that position... Along those lines, Xavier prematurely dismissed a player Dez Wells from the team several years ago and the family sued the University. As long as someone is on the team they need to be treated as if they are on the team. That means putting them in positions where they can contribute to the team: www.universityherald.com/articles/9092/20140426/xavier-basketball-player-lawsuit-rape-cincinnati-judge.htm |
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 4, 2019 12:29:12 GMT -5
Suspend, not dismiss. That's what should have happened.
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Post by TC on Dec 4, 2019 12:29:48 GMT -5
It actually is a binary situation. We know that LeBlanc was disciplined on 11/6. So he was either disciplined for his legal issues, or he was disciplined for a different reason. Either one raises major unanswered questions. And speculation is what you get when you refuse to answer major questions. This is not just an embarrassment for the program and a likely insurmountable hurdle to meeting expectations on the court, it is a major embarrassment for Georgetown University. A google search of "Georgetown" right now gives you countless articles at the top of the page on our players' legal proceedings involving sexual harassment, burglary, assault, and battery. Two of those players are still playing on the team, even as legal proceedings against them move forward. I believe in accountability. Nearly a third of the roster has been accused under oath of serious crimes in Court. If we include last year, it's 6 players in two years. That's not meeting the standard that I hold Georgetown Basketball to. Maybe it meets your standard, and you think it's fine to pay a coach more than any other University employee to preside over this mess. I think the buck stops with the head coach, and he has not done the most important part of his job, which is running a clean program that we can all be proud of. It's time to clean house. I don't believe that the buck stops only with the head coach - the AD is in this mess too, and they started a lot of this because there's a culture problem there and a belief that if you say as little as possible about something in as finely crafted language as possible, problems go away and you never have to answer questions. This isn't the 1980's anymore, and culturally there isn't the same tolerance for the stuff going on here and problems aren't going to be hushed up, swept under the rug, and go away. Yes, you have to deal with the internets and rumors, but you cannot get away with the Hoya Paranoia attitude, especially when you're losing. And let me be clear - my issue is not with them saying something that would violate FERPA or whatever, but there are things you can say - like X was suspended, or Y was suspended and chose to transfer or Y just chose to transfer - there's an complete avoidance of basic honesty here. I don't know why anyone should trust them. Whether it's the Ernst situation, the inability to run a midnight madness, this mess, the athletic department side of this equation is not doing a good job and they refuse to answer for it. Add in the fact that they let the best employee they had in decades go in Chris Grosse, and we've slid way backwards from the way things were running in the JT3 era. |
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Post by royski on Dec 4, 2019 12:44:52 GMT -5
All we have now is accusations...no proof...anybody can accuse anybody of anything...innocent until PROVEN guilty...if it turns out that they are proven guilty then I'm confident that the appropriate actions will be taken...but if there is insufficient evidence to support that, I don't think they should be denied the opportunity to continue to play...we need to her the WHOLE story before condemning anyone, and I'm PE is taking that position... Playing college basketball is a privilege, not a right. Innocent until proven guilty is an exacting legal standard that we have because putting someone in prison must only be done when there is no reasonable doubt that the convict committed the crime. We're not talking about putting anyone in prison. We're talking about suspending basketball players who a JUDGE has determined have a substantial likelihood of losing at trial, and who a judge entered a restraining order against, until their legal proceedings play out. Needing a criminal conviction before taking action is the absolute lowest standard anyone can possibly hold. Georgetown says they hold themselves to a higher standard. |
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Dec 4, 2019 12:52:49 GMT -5
Some whispers out there that Akinjo was upset at being referred to as selfish in Coach Ewing postgame press conference (again) after the UNC-G game which started/restarted his frustrations leading him and his people requesting the transfer. Ewing never addressed by name who on the team was selfish but hey if the shoe fits...
There is also some media that have come out stating Akinjo's people say he's looking for a place he could be the focal point aka the man. There is also some smoke that he questioned Coach Ewing's play through Yurt7 offense.
Rain or shine, Akinjo got 30 plus minutes a game, lead the team in FGA per game in a highly PG friendly NBA style offense with a lot of pnr & pnp actions, meanwhile doing all this since day 1 as a freshman. I'm not sure he's going to find a better circumstance at a high major program then the one he's leaving. Questioning the HC is also not a good look that will probably give some potential other HC's pause/concern that he might be difficult to coach.
Based on info available, I hope this wasn't a basketball only decision. If so, he's getting very bad advice. I wish him luck in finding whatever he thinks he's missing/looking for...
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