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Post by drquigley on Dec 23, 2019 10:59:16 GMT -5
You can't argue with Yurt's numbers but I'm reminded of Groucho's line, "who will you believe me or your own eyes?" Was at the Syracuse game and felt that Yurt was really dominated by the 'Cuse big man. And watching Gill and Ogibue block 15 shots against Maryland made me concerned about Yurt's ability to score against those guys. We will find out in a few weeks whether my fears are unfounded. I really hope they are.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 11:07:03 GMT -5
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Post by prhoya on Dec 23, 2019 11:17:36 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 11:21:31 GMT -5
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 23, 2019 11:24:10 GMT -5
Anderson has given this team an identity, something it has lacked for years. It is a tenacious group that outworks the opposition, that is in top physical condition and is uncomfortable to play against. Anderson and his staff have gotten a ton out of the supporting cast, from the surprising production of sophomores Josh Roberts, Marcellus Earlington and Greg Williams Jr., all of whom hardly played a year ago, to getting the most out of newcomers like Damien Sears, Julian Champagnie, Nick Rutherford and Rasheem Dunn. nypost.com/2019/12/22/mike-anderson-gives-surprising-st-johns-everything-it-lacked/amp/Beating Arizona without Heron speaks loudly about the job Anderson is doing so far... As the article notes they're one of 3 teams that are top 75 in defense(69) and top 25 in tempo(20), admittedly their schedule hasn't been the toughest but it's still noteworthy... |
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 23, 2019 11:51:46 GMT -5
Ugh that Providence win over Texas is a major bummer. Texas fell from 45 to 82 a 37 point plummet that takes them from a Quad 1 win to a Quad 2! Ugh. And providence is still only 119 up from 146 so only a Quad 2 road game and a quad 3 home game. Totally not worth it from our perspective. Hopefully Texas can turn it around in B12 play, but that single game was a huge hit that they may not be able to overcome. |
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 23, 2019 11:55:28 GMT -5
Anderson has given this team an identity, something it has lacked for years. It is a tenacious group that outworks the opposition, that is in top physical condition and is uncomfortable to play against. Anderson and his staff have gotten a ton out of the supporting cast, from the surprising production of sophomores Josh Roberts, Marcellus Earlington and Greg Williams Jr., all of whom hardly played a year ago, to getting the most out of newcomers like Damien Sears, Julian Champagnie, Nick Rutherford and Rasheem Dunn. nypost.com/2019/12/22/mike-anderson-gives-surprising-st-johns-everything-it-lacked/amp/Beating Arizona without Heron speaks loudly to the job Anderson is doing so far... As the article notes they're one of 3 teams that are top 75 in defense(69) and top 25 in tempo(20), admittedly their schedule hasn't been the toughest but it's still noteworthy... Marquette is one of those 3 as well with a 40 defense and 19 tempo. We're 91st in defense in 25th in tempo currently. Just 16 spots to go to join to club. |
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 23, 2019 16:52:00 GMT -5
9 out of the 10 conference teams got AP top 25 votes this week. I can’t imagine that’s ever happened before. Pretty cool.
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 23, 2019 18:07:20 GMT -5
Ugh that Providence win over Texas is a major bummer. Texas fell from 45 to 82 a 37 point plummet that takes them from a Quad 1 win to a Quad 2! Ugh. And providence is still only 119 up from 146 so only a Quad 2 road game and a quad 3 home game. Totally not worth it from our perspective. Hopefully Texas can turn it around in B12 play, but that single game was a huge hit that they may not be able to overcome. Yes, losing to Providence this year is a terrible loss. Cooley has underachieved with a talented squad. Hope his poor coaching doesn’t bring the rest of the Big East down with him. |
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Post by BeantownHoya on Dec 23, 2019 18:12:10 GMT -5
Ugh that Providence win over Texas is a major bummer. Texas fell from 45 to 82 a 37 point plummet that takes them from a Quad 1 win to a Quad 2! Ugh. And providence is still only 119 up from 146 so only a Quad 2 road game and a quad 3 home game. Totally not worth it from our perspective. Hopefully Texas can turn it around in B12 play, but that single game was a huge hit that they may not be able to overcome. Yes, losing to Providence this year is a terrible loss. Cooley has underachieved with a talented squad. Hope his poor coaching doesn’t bring the rest of the Big East down with him. Holy Sh$t turn the page... I don't even disagree his team has wildly under performed to date but now somehow 1 poor BE team will bring down the entire conference. Makes absolutely no sense... What did Cooley do...steal your girl...kick your dog? Good lord.... |
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 23, 2019 20:20:15 GMT -5
Ugh that Providence win over Texas is a major bummer. Texas fell from 45 to 82 a 37 point plummet that takes them from a Quad 1 win to a Quad 2! Ugh. And providence is still only 119 up from 146 so only a Quad 2 road game and a quad 3 home game. Totally not worth it from our perspective. Hopefully Texas can turn it around in B12 play, but that single game was a huge hit that they may not be able to overcome. Yes, losing to Providence this year is a terrible loss. Cooley has underachieved with a talented squad. Hope his poor coaching doesn’t bring the rest of the Big East down with him. Broken record. |
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Post by LCPolo18 on Dec 24, 2019 9:44:29 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 24, 2019 20:46:03 GMT -5
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 25, 2019 16:48:40 GMT -5
So now Yurt has been putting up number only because he is grabbing boards over smaller opponents? Hmmmmm. Why doesn't Seton Hall 's big guy do that too? Funny how fans of Duke and Memphis never said that about Carey or Wiseman after they feasted on inferior teams. Heck I recall when Mourning and Mutombo were dominating inside against even weaker ooc opponents early in a season without wondering if those results would translate to better BE competition. Have people forgotten Yurtseven made an All ACC Team as a sophomore? MCI I hope you are right. I just see a lot of those boards over the top turning into fouls against bigger foe. I hope I'm right too but here is my frustration: I was one of the biggest fans/supporters of Govan but what I came across from much of the board was criticism of him. He drifted to much outside, he got pushed out of position in the paint, he didn't hit a high enough percentage of his shots when he was closer to the basket, he didn't rebound enough, he was a weak link on defense, he didn't pass out of the double teams well enough or quick enough, etc. Well, here is Yurtseven doing better at pretty much all those aspects that people felt Govan faltered and despite that I come across several criticisms or worries now about how his game is going to hold up in the Big East. Its as if this site can't be satisfied or hopeful about how our guys match up. Meanwhile on other BE sites fan do nothing but proclaim how their guys are the best in the conference. |
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 25, 2019 17:15:35 GMT -5
Yurtseven’s a beast. We should appreciate him while he’s here.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 26, 2019 10:39:22 GMT -5
MCI I hope you are right. I just see a lot of those boards over the top turning into fouls against bigger foe. I hope I'm right too but here is my frustration: I was one of the biggest fans/supporters of Govan but what I came across from much of the board was criticism of him. He drifted to much outside, he got pushed out of position in the paint, he didn't hit a high enough percentage of his shots when he was closer to the basket, he didn't rebound enough, he was a weak link on defense, he didn't pass out of the double teams well enough or quick enough, etc. Well, here is Yurtseven doing better at pretty much all those aspects that people felt Govan faltered and despite that I come across several criticisms or worries now about how his game is going to hold up in the Big East. Its as if this site can't be satisfied or hopeful about how our guys match up. Meanwhile on other BE sites fan do nothing but proclaim how their guys are the best in the conference. Georgetown fans are by far the most neurotic and negative in the country. Every fan base has people who are negative and aren't happy no matter what, but in most fan bases they're balanced out and usually out numbered by the homers who think their team is the best no matter what. We don't have much of the latter in the Georgetown fan base. Or at least he number skew in the opposite proportions compared to most fan bases. It's been that way at least since I joined the talkboard almost 15 years ago. Man has it really been that long?! |
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Post by RusskyHoya on Dec 26, 2019 11:26:04 GMT -5
I hope I'm right too but here is my frustration: I was one of the biggest fans/supporters of Govan but what I came across from much of the board was criticism of him. He drifted to much outside, he got pushed out of position in the paint, he didn't hit a high enough percentage of his shots when he was closer to the basket, he didn't rebound enough, he was a weak link on defense, he didn't pass out of the double teams well enough or quick enough, etc. Well, here is Yurtseven doing better at pretty much all those aspects that people felt Govan faltered and despite that I come across several criticisms or worries now about how his game is going to hold up in the Big East. Its as if this site can't be satisfied or hopeful about how our guys match up. Meanwhile on other BE sites fan do nothing but proclaim how their guys are the best in the conference. Georgetown fans are by far the most neurotic and negative in the country. Every fan base has people who are negative and aren't happy no matter what, but in most fan bases they're balanced out and usually out numbered by the homers who think their team is the best no matter what. We don't have much of the latter in the Georgetown fan base. Or at least he number skew in the opposite proportions compared to most fan bases. It's been that way at least since I joined the talkboard almost 15 years ago. Man has it really been that long?! To be completely honest, one of the main reasons I've found myself more invested in following/support Georgetown soccer over the last decade, at the expense of basketball, is that the fandom dynamic with those two teams is just so much more positive. Being successful at a Big East and national scale certainly helps, but comparing the attitudes of fans even in down years for soccer really just brings into stark relief how relentless the negativity on the basketball side is. What percentage of it is people projecting their grievances with the University, the McDonough Gerontocracy, the rotten state of college basketball, etc. I don't know, but I'm sure it accounts for a lot of it. |
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 26, 2019 12:07:48 GMT -5
Georgetown fans are by far the most neurotic and negative in the country. Every fan base has people who are negative and aren't happy no matter what, but in most fan bases they're balanced out and usually out numbered by the homers who think their team is the best no matter what. We don't have much of the latter in the Georgetown fan base. Or at least he number skew in the opposite proportions compared to most fan bases. It's been that way at least since I joined the talkboard almost 15 years ago. Man has it really been that long?! To be completely honest, one of the main reasons I've found myself more invested in following/support Georgetown soccer over the last decade, at the expense of basketball, is that the fandom dynamic with those two teams is just so much more positive. Being successful at a Big East and national scale certainly helps, but comparing the attitudes of fans even in down years for soccer really just brings into stark relief how relentless the negativity on the basketball side is. What percentage of it is people projecting their grievances with the University, the McDonough Gerontocracy, the rotten state of college basketball, etc. I don't know, but I'm sure it accounts for a lot of it. It's all about expectations in my view, I know less than zero about Gtown soccer but according to Wikipedia the team has made the tourney many times over the last decade. The team has also won a lot of BE titles over that time as well so it's easy to see why there's a lot of positivity amongst the fans of the team... Over this same time frame we've seen Gtown basketball become a program expected to flame out in spectacular ways over the past decade. Add in a less than modern administration and it's easy to see see why folks are much more guarded with their expectations about the basketball program... |
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 26, 2019 14:34:47 GMT -5
Georgetown fans are by far the most neurotic and negative in the country. Every fan base has people who are negative and aren't happy no matter what, but in most fan bases they're balanced out and usually out numbered by the homers who think their team is the best no matter what. We don't have much of the latter in the Georgetown fan base. Or at least he number skew in the opposite proportions compared to most fan bases. It's been that way at least since I joined the talkboard almost 15 years ago. Man has it really been that long?! To be completely honest, one of the main reasons I've found myself more invested in following/support Georgetown soccer over the last decade, at the expense of basketball, is that the fandom dynamic with those two teams is just so much more positive. Being successful at a Big East and national scale certainly helps, but comparing the attitudes of fans even in down years for soccer really just brings into stark relief how relentless the negativity on the basketball side is. What percentage of it is people projecting their grievances with the University, the McDonough Gerontocracy, the rotten state of college basketball, etc. I don't know, but I'm sure it accounts for a lot of it. It'a a complicated question, certainly. One of soccer's great strengths over the past decade is the feeling of momentum--that fans were joining a program on the way up. When students lined the field at Shaw is was not because they had to (or forced to because of seating requirements), but because they wanted to be there. Brian Wiese still answers his own e-mails, the practices aren't padlocked, and there is the sense that soccer provides the University a good return on its investment. Tangentially, soccer appeals to the wealthier students at Georgetown at it's likely they didn't play football or swing a bat in high school. Basketball hasn't carried that air of momentum in a long time, at least since 2007, and probably not long after 1989. The fan base is increasingly older and the ties that bind students isn't as strong, for a variety of reasons seen and unseen. Georgetown spends more and more on basketball with diminishing returns over the last decade and younger fans have no memory of why things are as they have always been, at least since 1972. Why, for example does Ewing (and JTIII and Esherick before him) still follow the "no freshmen interviews before Jan. 1 policy"? Or traveling in stealth? Or fail to post the players' phone numbers in the student directory (which seems anachronistic in today's social media climate)? Older fans know why, and from who that originated. Younger fans shake their heads and move on. Georgetown soccer lives in the era of La Barra Brava. Georgetown basketball mirrors the Redskins, as do its fans. Tony Kornheiser's Bandwagon doesn't fill up like it used to when the Squire held court at RFK. Truth be told, a lot of college students don't know who Tony is and have never heard of the Squire. As to the "McDonough Gerontocracy", I'm not sure that applies. With few exceptions, McD has completely turned over its staff in the last 10 years. Yes, John is still there and maybe that's the source of some generational frustration--he's been out of coaching (21 seasons) almost as long as he was in it (27) but is still the face of the program. Jack DeGioia made a conscious decision not to turn the page with Patrick Ewing, and he's not the only college president who has dealt with that kind of decision. When things are good, it doesn't matter as much to the casual fan; when it isn't, people point in that direction. The 2020's are a big, big decade for this program--Georgetown squandered its seat as the conference flagship at the 2013 realignment and isn't even in the national conversation in 2019. UConn arrives next season to reclaim its front seat at the Big East table and the other schools are only getting better. A program can be a "who's who" nationally, a "who's that", or sometimes a "who cares". What will people say about the Hoyas in 2029? |
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 26, 2019 15:01:08 GMT -5
I'm just saying I remember a heck of a lot of negative people even during the good JT3 years. Even as we ran to the Final 4 my sophomore year and won a second straight BE regular season title in 2008 there were a heck of a lot of negative nellies on the board.
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