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Post by tafkashfsee on Feb 15, 2022 11:31:52 GMT -5
Dante is doing a great job. He has to keep shooting in spite of the fact the shots may not be falling on a regular (soon they will be). He is our floor general. He just needs to know when to dish off on the drives but he must continue looking for his shots and he must continue to attack the basket. I support Dante and Patrick is doing the right thing by sticking with him! Thank you for confirming you are, indeed, blind! Your analysis is really top-notch. You have an incredible eye for the game of basketball. Keep it up. I'm entitled to my opinions and you are entitled to yours. No need to insult my eyesight just because you and I don't see eye to eye on this.
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Post by 617hoya on Feb 15, 2022 11:33:36 GMT -5
Thank you for confirming you are, indeed, blind! Your analysis is really top-notch. You have an incredible eye for the game of basketball. Keep it up. I'm entitled to my opinions and you are entitled to yours. No need to insult my eyesight just because you and I don't see eye to eye on this. Right, right…the poster who is on the record saying the team should pull scholarships from some players and who also refers to the freshmen as “high schoolers” thinks that insulting people is not OK. Gotcha.
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madgesiq92
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Post by madgesiq92 on Feb 15, 2022 11:34:05 GMT -5
How many assists did we have as a team last night?
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Feb 15, 2022 11:41:24 GMT -5
Six; Harris had two of those. Certainly not enough.
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78HOYA78
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Post by 78HOYA78 on Feb 15, 2022 12:00:10 GMT -5
Assists are overrated - if you pass the ball to a wide open teammate and they miss the shot no assist. Unlike football - pass to a wide open receiver and he drops it - incomplete pass and it's in the record books. Turnovers however are more telling though.
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Feb 15, 2022 13:30:33 GMT -5
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95hoya
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Post by 95hoya on Feb 15, 2022 13:33:26 GMT -5
Harris has never made shots during his career. At some point we expect them to fall?
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iowa80
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Post by iowa80 on Feb 15, 2022 13:45:31 GMT -5
Harris has never made shots during his career. At some point we expect them to fall? He is shooting almost the identical percentage this year as last overall—35%. But this year he’s taken about 60 more shots already.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Feb 15, 2022 13:55:51 GMT -5
To be upfront I am a Beard fan and feel more playing time should be coming his way that being said I am also not blind and realize in no way is he setting the world on fire. However I think most would agree (assuming most of us are former athletes at some level) that trying to be consistent and contribute when playing time is limited is very hard. It's difficult to get into the flow of the game, you press a little more because you are anticipating being pulled and I think overall statistics can be misleading when you are barely on the floor. Again that does not dismiss Beard's struggles, especially with TO's but I don't think what I am saying is inaccurate either.
I say that because Beard has been fairly successful when he gets Dante "like" minutes. Here is Beards #'s when playing over 30 minutes in a game.
BEARD
13.6 PPG 4 APG 3.3 RPG 52% FG% 44% 3P%
HARRIS (32 MPG)
11.6 PPG 4.4 APG 4.0 RPG 35% FG% 22.8% 3P%
You tell me which passes the eye test better? Again I am not and have never advocated for Beard to start over Harris - 1 because it's clearly not happening so why argue and 2 Beard still has a way to go. That being said you take out those games where he played "Dante minutes" and he is playing less than 10 minutes a game. If he part of the future of this program, he needs to at least be in the 15 minute range. I would love to see the plus/minus minutes for both players in BE play I have a feeling it would lean heavily to Beard but maybe I am wrong.
Lastly, I think Harris is simply miscast and that's not his fault. Although The Way and I don't typically agree on Harris I do agree with him that we have nowhere near the same weapons as last year and then ultimately more has fallen on Harris' shoulders and has lead to him in some cases attempting to do too much. However I also believe that Dante is not a starting PG in the BE. I don't know another starting PG in the conference I would not take him over right now. I don't think he was ever brought in by Ewing with the idea he would be a starter. I think Dante would be much more successful as a backup PG getting 12-15 minutes a night, bring that energy that has off the bench help run a 2nd unit, etc - I think that is where he is best suited.
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Feb 15, 2022 14:04:28 GMT -5
There’s our old friend Glide. I stumbled upon his Twitter account recently and confirmed that TAFKAHFSEE is in fact not Glide despite mine and several others’ suspicions. Glide is actually critical of Ewing. Unless he’s just really trying to throw us off the scent
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Post by tafkashfsee on Feb 15, 2022 14:51:19 GMT -5
For all of you fools out there who think I am glide....I am not no damn glide! I am Hoyasfansinceewingera! Well actually I am The Artist Formerly Known As....
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Feb 15, 2022 15:12:31 GMT -5
For all of you fools out there who think I am glide....I am not no damn glide! I am Hoyasfansinceewingera! Well actually I am The Artist Formerly Known As.... You have a very similar posting style to Glide. That’s why people thought that.
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Post by hoyas212 on Feb 15, 2022 15:18:11 GMT -5
For all of you fools out there who think I am glide....I am not no damn glide! I am Hoyasfansinceewingera! Well actually I am The Artist Formerly Known As.... Do you think it would be a good idea for Ewing to bring in Morgan State point guard Sherwyn Devonish as a grad transfer next season?
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Feb 15, 2022 15:30:36 GMT -5
Aside from Dante we have only two others almost guaranteed to score in double figures: Carey and Mohammed. Occasionally Rice will have a decent game. The Hoyas absolutely need Harris to be in double figures every single game and, if that means taking lots of shots, then so be it. Harris and Mohammed are the real alfa dogs on this team and we need them always to release the dog in themselves.
If Dante has an open three, I want him to take it. If a long or short two, the same. I also want him driving toward the basket and feeding others; or, continuing toward the basket. In short, I want him to be an aggressive scoring point guard. He's not there yet but I believe he can get there. Remember he has only slightly more than 1 1/2 years of Division I experience.
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hoyaroc
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Post by hoyaroc on Feb 15, 2022 17:15:55 GMT -5
I want Dante play under control and pass the ball a lot more unless he’s playing alongside Beard. That’s when he can switch to a scoring pg.
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Post by mfk24 on Feb 15, 2022 17:29:18 GMT -5
Aside from Dante we have only two others almost guaranteed to score in double figures: Carey and Mohammed. Occasionally Rice will have a decent game. The Hoyas absolutely need Harris to be in double figures every single game and, if that means taking lots of shots, then so be it. Harris and Mohammed are the real alfa dogs on this team and we need them always to release the dog in themselves. If Dante has an open three, I want him to take it. If a long or short two, the same. I also want him driving toward the basket and feeding others; or, continuing toward the basket. In short, I want him to be an aggressive scoring point guard. He's not there yet but I believe he can get there. Remember he has only slightly more than 1 1/2 years of Division I experience. The question is, if he passed the ball more, would others score more points? Would we generate easier scoring opportunities? The answer might be no, because of the type of offense Ewing is trying to run, but I’d rather have a CP3 type PG than a Westbrook. One makes the team better, the other kills the vibe.
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Post by conshyhoya on Feb 15, 2022 17:37:03 GMT -5
To be upfront I am a Beard fan and feel more playing time should be coming his way that being said I am also not blind and realize in no way is he setting the world on fire. However I think most would agree (assuming most of us are former athletes at some level) that trying to be consistent and contribute when playing time is limited is very hard. It's difficult to get into the flow of the game, you press a little more because you are anticipating being pulled and I think overall statistics can be misleading when you are barely on the floor. Again that does not dismiss Beard's struggles, especially with TO's but I don't think what I am saying is inaccurate either. I say that because Beard has been fairly successful when he gets Dante "like" minutes. Here is Beards #'s when playing over 30 minutes in a game. BEARD 13.6 PPG 4 APG 3.3 RPG 52% FG% 44% 3P% HARRIS (32 MPG) 11.6 PPG 4.4 APG 4.0 RPG 35% FG% 22.8% 3P% You tell me which passes the eye test better? Again I am not and have never advocated for Beard to start over Harris - 1 because it's clearly not happening so why argue and 2 Beard still has a way to go. That being said you take out those games where he played "Dante minutes" and he is playing less than 10 minutes a game. If he part of the future of this program, he needs to at least be in the 15 minute range. I would love to see the plus/minus minutes for both players in BE play I have a feeling it would lean heavily to Beard but maybe I am wrong. Lastly, I think Harris is simply miscast and that's not his fault. Although The Way and I don't typically agree on Harris I do agree with him that we have nowhere near the same weapons as last year and then ultimately more has fallen on Harris' shoulders and has lead to him in some cases attempting to do too much. However I also believe that Dante is not a starting PG in the BE. I don't know another starting PG in the conference I would not take him over right now. I don't think he was ever brought in by Ewing with the idea he would be a starter. I think Dante would be much more successful as a backup PG getting 12-15 minutes a night, bring that energy that has off the bench help run a 2nd unit, etc - I think that is where he is best suited. Those 3 games where he had over 30 minutes were TCU, Howard and Butler. Not exactly the best competition but not the bottom of the barrel either. Those games he also had 4 TOs in each game so 1/1 A/T ratio isn't quite where you want your PG. I do agree he should be getting 15 minutes a game at least and I prefer it to be like Ewing has been doing the last 4 games which is him mostly being the off guard either with Dante or Don running the point which he hasn't turned the ball over in those 4 games.
As far as Harris goes, I think he would be better suited on a team that had more athleticism. I don't know if he could be a starting PG in the BE or not because it would depend on how he played with real talent around him and we haven't seen that. I believe if he had talent around him he could be a true PG like he was on BMaze. He had more talent around him so he was a more pass first PG. He still scored here and there since you do need someone who is a threat but no where near the scoring burden he needs to shoulder on a team that consist of a bunch of role players at best. Aminu is really his only help. Carey shows some here and there but definitely trying to create isn't his strong suit. Maybe even with a different scheme on offense with the same players he could be a true PG but there is just too much standing around by everyone else. Even Beard has been dribbling a lot and trying to penetrate to make something happen recently. It will be interesting to see how both Beard and Harris play under a different coach.
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Post by hoyaboya on Feb 15, 2022 23:39:33 GMT -5
After last night, Harris is officially the highest volume shooter on the team. So Coach Ewing, based on playing time and what he clearly allows on the court, apparently supports the notion that the worst shooter on the team should take the most shots. You couldn’t make this stuff up…
If Dante has any friends or supporters that read this message board, or know anything about basketball, they should tell him to ease up on the chucking. Along with his poor defense, it’s killing any chance of him making a decent living playing professionally.
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Post by hoyazeke on Feb 16, 2022 6:16:08 GMT -5
After last night, Harris is officially the highest volume shooter on the team. So Coach Ewing, based on playing time and what he clearly allows on the court, apparently supports the notion that the worst shooter on the team should take the most shots. You couldn’t make this stuff up… If Dante has any friends or supporters that read this message board, or know anything about basketball, they should tell him to ease up on the chucking. Along with his poor defense, it’s killing any chance of him making a decent living playing professionally. Boya I agree that Dante is shooting poorly but he doesn't take contested jump shots. He is able to get himself clean looks from 10-20ft. He is just missing his shots. No coach with our current roster would tell Dante to stop shooting. Who do you want him to pass the ball to? Tim? Bills? Aminu? They all shoot worse. That leaves Don and Kaiden...That leaves Don. Kaiden is a bad shot waiting to happen. We just have to hope that Dante gets more consistent over the summer.
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Post by 78HOYA78 on Feb 16, 2022 10:01:41 GMT -5
Great points - however I would prefer that my PG not drive unless we can clean up any misses. Another words we should be on the move boxing out well before he drives. If not we are at a disadvantage because the fastest guy on the floor is under the rim and our opponent is on the move with a fast break. When he drives someone needs to sneak back to play defense. They must observe this in the film room.
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