dchoya72
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Post by dchoya72 on Jan 10, 2021 20:40:28 GMT -5
I think he’s wrong but I’m pretty sure Doc meant after next season, not this one... Exactly. I'm saying Dante is not big or strong enough to be a starting pg on our team next year and, if he values pt over a GU education, he may transfer after next year. BTW, a GU education apparently wasn't very important to several of our recent recruits. Sorry fellas. Why sell the young man short? Point guard is one of the hardest positions on the floor. Dante stepped up to the plate. Surely he's made numerous mistakes but he's made some excellent plays too. He has to shoot to make the other teams respect him. I hope he continues to work hard and develop. I wouldn't expect him to rollover when Beard gets here next year. However good Beard turns out to be. He too will have trial by fire. I hope he is up to it. By that time Dante will have a year of experience and time to develop his skills and body. Hopefully we will have a Kenner League next year and grow from that experience too. Butting out!!
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Jan 10, 2021 21:43:48 GMT -5
Blair had 5 turnovers yesterday. At this point I’m tempted to see how Berger does splitting duties with Dante at point. He had 5 TO's, but he definitely had a knack for finding the open man. Unfortunately he had 5 TO's or close to it in three games already this season not running point, he's going to play so you might as well utilize his skill set. I can't see Berger at this stage running the team. It would just another freshman thrown into the fire and his natural position is SG which makes matters worst. Blair is playing 37.5 mpg for #17 most in Div. 1. That’s not good for a SG who the team depends on for 3 pt shots. He’ll have no legs by February. Awesome strategy! basketball.realgm.com/ncaa/stats/2021/Averages/Qualified/All/Season/All/minutes/desc/1/
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Post by blueandgray on Jan 11, 2021 0:56:11 GMT -5
Blair had 5 turnovers yesterday. At this point I’m tempted to see how Berger does splitting duties with Dante at point. He had a 2:1 assist to turnover ratio.
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Post by BigmanU on Jan 11, 2021 6:53:12 GMT -5
He had 5 TO's, but he definitely had a knack for finding the open man. Unfortunately he had 5 TO's or close to it in three games already this season not running point, he's going to play so you might as well utilize his skill set. I can't see Berger at this stage running the team. It would just another freshman thrown into the fire and his natural position is SG which makes matters worst. Blair is playing 37.5 mpg for #17 most in Div. 1. That’s not good for a SG who the team depends on for 3 pt shots. He’ll have no legs by February. Awesome strategy! basketball.realgm.com/ncaa/stats/2021/Averages/Qualified/All/Season/All/minutes/desc/1/Who said I agree with him playing 37 mpg? All I said is I wouldn't mind him moving over to point to give Dante a break at times. I would love for him only to plat 30-32 mpg. One has nothing to do with the other.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Jan 11, 2021 8:27:43 GMT -5
Who said I agree with him playing 37 mpg? All I said is I wouldn't mind him moving over to point to give Dante a break at times. I would love for him only to plat 30-32 mpg. One has nothing to do with the other. Sorry, for the misunderstanding, but it wasn’t meant at you. It was directed at Pat’s strategy. Since this is the “Dante Harris” thread not “Blair” thread, I included your post which referenced Blair.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2021 12:08:48 GMT -5
This is for Dante and I hope he reads this post though I'm not optimistic that he would even see it. Anyways, with that being said...Dante I like your moxy. You have courage and confidence which is needed for a point guard but, I think you could benefit from watching a few videos of Akinjo.
When you study Akinjo, the first thing you will see is Akinjo is steady. His steadiness allows him to have a high assist to turnover ratio because he makes the right decisions most of the time. Also, Akinjo has excellent court vision and this is also due to his steadiness. He is never moving too fast or never moving too slow. This pace prevents him from making too many turnovers. He's also picking his spots on the floor (where he is going to go on the floor or dribble to) two and three moves ahead of time in his mind before he is making the next move(s). He never rushes and makes moves ahead of his thinking.
Also, Akinjo never worries about getting his points first as he mostly focuses on getting everyone else involved in the offense first. Yet Akinjo always finishes as the highest scorer or in the top two or three and that is because he is a very good shooter who never rushes his shots. Therefore, most of the time, he is shooting a high percentage for both the three point shots and the two point shots.
Akinjo gets the passes to his teammates where they can score. He also is very very good at dribble penetration so he is subtly breaking down the defense. He penetrates the key to make the defense collapse and he kicks it out to the shooters on the wings. He can manipulate the defense to move out of position and then dish inside so that his big man can get an easy shot.
Dante, in the scheme of the offense, if you can focus on these little bit of tidbits, I think you would finish up the season nicely. So to recap, play with steadiness, use your vision ahead of time instead of in the moment. Don't move too fast and don't move too slow. Get your teammates involved in the offense by keeping the focus on them getting their shots but make sure you put them in position to score. You can do this by manipulating the defense with dribble penetration. Explore the paint of the key to get defenders out of position and then either kick out to the wings, get it to your big man or if the shot is open, shoot the floater or shoot the mid range.
I hope you see this message and take some of it, if not all of it, to heart. You can get better but you have to start doing things a little differently so that you can get better. Learn from some of the best point guards in college which I think Akinjo is one of them.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jan 11, 2021 12:29:40 GMT -5
Since the first SJU game, Dante's numbers are:
FG: 11-43 (25.6%) 2PT: 6-29 (20.7%) 3PT: 5-14 (35.7%) FT: 2-2 (100%) A/TO ratio: 15/17 (0.88) MPG: 32.6
The outside shooting is fine, but obviously learning to become more selective in attacking the rim and taking better care of the ball are a work in progress. Understand Jalen is out and Dante is going to get heavy minutes, but still would like to see him more in the 25-28 MPG range to keep him fresh. If opposing teams are not exerting pressure in the backcourt, we need to steal some minutes going with a bigger Blair/Carey/Clark or Blair/Berger/Carey lineup.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 11, 2021 12:46:33 GMT -5
Since the first SJU game, Dante's numbers are: FG: 11-43 (25.6%) 2PT: 6-29 (20.7%) 3PT: 5-14 (35.7%) FT: 2-2 (100%) A/TO ratio: 15/17 (0.88) MPG: 32.6 The outside shooting is fine, but obviously learning to become more selective in attacking the rim and taking better care of the ball are a work in progress. Understand Jalen is out and Dante is going to get heavy minutes, but still would like to see him more in the 25-28 MPG range to keep him fresh. If opposing teams are not exerting pressure in the backcourt, we need to steal some minutes going with a bigger Blair/Carey/Clark or Blair/Berger/Carey lineup. the big thing I see is that he is avoiding contract and not drawing fouls (two things Akinjo and Mac were good at). He should use his speed and quickness to draw fouls instead of trying to outrun people and missing layups.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Jan 11, 2021 12:53:56 GMT -5
Since the first SJU game, Dante's numbers are: FG: 11-43 (25.6%) 2PT: 6-29 (20.7%) 3PT: 5-14 (35.7%) FT: 2-2 (100%) A/TO ratio: 15/17 (0.88) MPG: 32.6 The outside shooting is fine, but obviously learning to become more selective in attacking the rim and taking better care of the ball are a work in progress. Understand Jalen is out and Dante is going to get heavy minutes, but still would like to see him more in the 25-28 MPG range to keep him fresh. If opposing teams are not exerting pressure in the backcourt, we need to steal some minutes going with a bigger Blair/Carey/Clark or Blair/Berger/Carey lineup. the big thing I see is that he is avoiding contract and not drawing fouls (two things Akinjo and Mac were good at). He should use his speed and quickness to draw fouls instead of trying to outrun people and missing layups. Agreed, I'm just not sure with his current build that he would last too long looking to initiate contact and draw fouls. I also don't think he'd be particularly great at finishing through contact at this stage in his career. But then again, an aggressive Dante looking to get to the line knowing he just needs to give 20-25 good minutes is better than a timid Dante shying away from contact because he knows he's got to pace himself for a 35 minute night.
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blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Jan 11, 2021 13:20:10 GMT -5
Dante...just okay your game and keep being you. You’ll be fine.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 11, 2021 13:26:06 GMT -5
the big thing I see is that he is avoiding contract and not drawing fouls (two things Akinjo and Mac were good at). He should use his speed and quickness to draw fouls instead of trying to outrun people and missing layups. Agreed, I'm just not sure with his current build that he would last too long looking to initiate contact and draw fouls. I also don't think he'd be particularly great at finishing through contact at this stage in his career. But then again, an aggressive Dante looking to get to the line knowing he just needs to give 20-25 good minutes is better than a timid Dante shying away from contact because he knows he's got to pace himself for a 35 minute night. I think at the high school level he was just able to use his superior speed and burst to the hole with his spinning layup. The move itself is great but he's having trouble hitting it at this level with the superior athleticism and size. He's going to have to know when to use it and when to keep dribbling Steve Nash style under the basket or for the reverse layup and use the rim to ward off shot blockers. Right now he's just making a mad dash to the basket in traffic with only one option which is to throw it up helplessly.
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Post by smokeyjack on Jan 12, 2021 12:51:38 GMT -5
Since the first SJU game, Dante's numbers are: FG: 11-43 (25.6%) 2PT: 6-29 (20.7%) 3PT: 5-14 (35.7%) FT: 2-2 (100%) A/TO ratio: 15/17 (0.88) MPG: 32.6 The outside shooting is fine, but obviously learning to become more selective in attacking the rim and taking better care of the ball are a work in progress. Understand Jalen is out and Dante is going to get heavy minutes, but still would like to see him more in the 25-28 MPG range to keep him fresh. If opposing teams are not exerting pressure in the backcourt, we need to steal some minutes going with a bigger Blair/Carey/Clark or Blair/Berger/Carey lineup. All you need to see - shouldn’t be playing now, but we have no alternative. Won’t be playing next year as much and beyond won’t be playing at all IMO. Just doesn’t have size or skills to be a major college PG.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 12, 2021 12:59:23 GMT -5
Since the first SJU game, Dante's numbers are: FG: 11-43 (25.6%) 2PT: 6-29 (20.7%) 3PT: 5-14 (35.7%) FT: 2-2 (100%) A/TO ratio: 15/17 (0.88) MPG: 32.6 The outside shooting is fine, but obviously learning to become more selective in attacking the rim and taking better care of the ball are a work in progress. Understand Jalen is out and Dante is going to get heavy minutes, but still would like to see him more in the 25-28 MPG range to keep him fresh. If opposing teams are not exerting pressure in the backcourt, we need to steal some minutes going with a bigger Blair/Carey/Clark or Blair/Berger/Carey lineup. All you need to see - shouldn’t be playing now, but we have no alternative. Won’t be playing next year as much and beyond won’t be playing at all IMO. Just doesn’t have size or skills to be a major college PG. So why waste minutes on someone who can't be developed in your eyes?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 13:09:08 GMT -5
Since the first SJU game, Dante's numbers are: FG: 11-43 (25.6%) 2PT: 6-29 (20.7%) 3PT: 5-14 (35.7%) FT: 2-2 (100%) A/TO ratio: 15/17 (0.88) MPG: 32.6 The outside shooting is fine, but obviously learning to become more selective in attacking the rim and taking better care of the ball are a work in progress. Understand Jalen is out and Dante is going to get heavy minutes, but still would like to see him more in the 25-28 MPG range to keep him fresh. If opposing teams are not exerting pressure in the backcourt, we need to steal some minutes going with a bigger Blair/Carey/Clark or Blair/Berger/Carey lineup. All you need to see - shouldn’t be playing now, but we have no alternative. Won’t be playing next year as much and beyond won’t be playing at all IMO. Just doesn’t have size or skills to be a major college PG. I disagree with you smokeyjack.
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Post by smokeyjack on Jan 12, 2021 13:11:06 GMT -5
All you need to see - shouldn’t be playing now, but we have no alternative. Won’t be playing next year as much and beyond won’t be playing at all IMO. Just doesn’t have size or skills to be a major college PG. So why waste minutes on someone who can't be developed in your eyes? We don’t have any other options now that Jalen is gone. I have nothing against Dante, I just don’t see him as a viable longterm option. I think he could become serviceable, but he simply does not have the tools to be a solid net+ player for us in my eyes. I thought my initial impression was wrong after SJU game, but it clearly looks like that game was a beautiful aberration. He hasn’t been close to that guy in our other games. Freshmen who are going to eventually flourish tend to flash and fail within games multiple times. Dante rarely flashes in my opinion. By far two most concerning things about him are 1)He NEVER gets to line - which is much worse than fact that he rarely finishes 2)He isn’t a naturally good passer who probes and facilitates. He’s quick end to end and can shoot a little. That’s it. That’s not enough, not even remotely close. And show me guys who have grown appreciably under Ewing? Pickett has regressed. Maybe Javon a tiny bit. Maybe Jagan last year. Otherwise....
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jan 12, 2021 13:39:28 GMT -5
So why waste minutes on someone who can't be developed in your eyes? We don’t have any other options now that Jalen is gone. I have nothing against Dante, I just don’t see him as a viable longterm option. I think he could become serviceable, but he simply does not have the tools to be a solid net+ player for us in my eyes. I thought my initial impression was wrong after SJU game, but it clearly looks like that game was a beautiful aberration. He hasn’t been close to that guy in our other games. Freshmen who are going to eventually flourish tend to flash and fail within games multiple times. Dante rarely flashes in my opinion. By far two most concerning things about him are 1)He NEVER gets to line - which is much worse than fact that he rarely finishes 2)He isn’t a naturally good passer who probes and facilitates. He’s quick end to end and can shoot a little. That’s it. That’s not enough, not even remotely close. And show me guys who have grown appreciably under Ewing? Pickett has regressed. Maybe Javon a tiny bit. Maybe Jagan last year. Otherwise.... I think he will be fine. He just shouldn't be forced into minutes like this but doesn't have the option with the turnover last year in the roster. He will get it and I think the passing will come. The not getting to the line bit is true but maybe he develops that. Pickett's D and rebounding have grown a ton. The O is where he hasn't really changed it up and that is the most visible. Blair has gotten stronger and has more ways to get open vs. the catch & shoot player he was his first two years. The overall talent level just isn't high enough right now. Ewing needs to stack a few classes & KEEP those classes. Right now we can't even evaluate the development because the guys he brought in during his marquee class are all gone. Talent needs to be top 100 across the board and right now we have 1 guy (Sibley) who meets that definition. 2 if you count Pickett who was boarder line. Q was a bit lower then that and everybody else is a classic hoya diamond in the rough. This next class has 2 top 100 guys in Mutombo & Muhammad and 3 diamonds in the rough. The next class should be 3 top 100 kids. In JTIII's last great class, he had Copeland, White, Peak, who were all top 70 and then Campbell who was 107 and mourning. That class didn't work out for injury and transfer reasons but that was a solid class. There is a thin line right now between success & failure. Hold leads against Nova, WVU, Marquette and Butler and now you are cooking. I think more mature guard play probably does that so you are partially correct but D. Harris is part of the solution in my opinion, just shouldn't be a 30 minute a game player right now.
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Post by the_way on Jan 12, 2021 13:55:24 GMT -5
So why waste minutes on someone who can't be developed in your eyes? We don’t have any other options now that Jalen is gone. I have nothing against Dante, I just don’t see him as a viable longterm option. I think he could become serviceable, but he simply does not have the tools to be a solid net+ player for us in my eyes. I thought my initial impression was wrong after SJU game, but it clearly looks like that game was a beautiful aberration. He hasn’t been close to that guy in our other games. Freshmen who are going to eventually flourish tend to flash and fail within games multiple times. Dante rarely flashes in my opinion. By far two most concerning things about him are 1)He NEVER gets to line - which is much worse than fact that he rarely finishes 2)He isn’t a naturally good passer who probes and facilitates. He’s quick end to end and can shoot a little. That’s it. That’s not enough, not even remotely close. And show me guys who have grown appreciably under Ewing? Pickett has regressed. Maybe Javon a tiny bit. Maybe Jagan last year. Otherwise.... Players who improved under Ewing: Marcus, Govan, Mosely, Blair, Pickett (great rebounder). Let's not forget Q and Tim who were pretty much projects last year. They are gradually developing as big men. To write off Dante at this early stage in the game is just unfair. We could have written off Markel Starks early in his career. He didn't look like much. Look how he turned out. What about Jaren Jackson? Didn't look like much his first 2 years at G-town. Smitty? We don't know how Dante will be during his time at G-town. He has shown more than any other freshmen on this team. They, along with Dante, need time to develop. They aren't one and done freshmen. All of them are raw. Give them time. Allow them to grow before you write them off so quick.
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Post by 95hoya on Jan 12, 2021 13:56:37 GMT -5
This is for Dante and I hope he reads this post though I'm not optimistic that he would even see it. Anyways, with that being said...Dante I like your moxy. You have courage and confidence which is needed for a point guard but, I think you could benefit from watching a few videos of Akinjo. When you study Akinjo, the first thing you will see is Akinjo is steady. His steadiness allows him to have a high assist to turnover ratio because he makes the right decisions most of the time. Also, Akinjo has excellent court vision and this is also due to his steadiness. He is never moving too fast or never moving too slow. This pace prevents him from making too many turnovers. He's also picking his spots on the floor (where he is going to go on the floor or dribble to) two and three moves ahead of time in his mind before he is making the next move(s). He never rushes and makes moves ahead of his thinking. Also, Akinjo never worries about getting his points first as he mostly focuses on getting everyone else involved in the offense first. Yet Akinjo always finishes as the highest scorer or in the top two or three and that is because he is a very good shooter who never rushes his shots. Therefore, most of the time, he is shooting a high percentage for both the three point shots and the two point shots. Akinjo gets the passes to his teammates where they can score. He also is very very good at dribble penetration so he is subtly breaking down the defense. He penetrates the key to make the defense collapse and he kicks it out to the shooters on the wings. He can manipulate the defense to move out of position and then dish inside so that his big man can get an easy shot. Dante, in the scheme of the offense, if you can focus on these little bit of tidbits, I think you would finish up the season nicely. So to recap, play with steadiness, use your vision ahead of time instead of in the moment. Don't move too fast and don't move too slow. Get your teammates involved in the offense by keeping the focus on them getting their shots but make sure you put them in position to score. You can do this by manipulating the defense with dribble penetration. Explore the paint of the key to get defenders out of position and then either kick out to the wings, get it to your big man or if the shot is open, shoot the floater or shoot the mid range. I hope you see this message and take some of it, if not all of it, to heart. You can get better but you have to start doing things a little differently so that you can get better. Learn from some of the best point guards in college which I think Akinjo is one of them. At any point of this did you not think that this was ridiculous? He's not reading this, and he has his own coaches, trainers, mentors, etc. The last thing he will do or should do is listen to fans about how to work on his game. It's also kind of insulting to these guys who worked hard to get this level, to them to go watch videos of their peers. I guess it would make sense if you said Chris Paul. But no he should study the legendary James Akinjo.
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Post by rhw485 on Jan 12, 2021 14:41:42 GMT -5
So why waste minutes on someone who can't be developed in your eyes? We don’t have any other options now that Jalen is gone. I have nothing against Dante, I just don’t see him as a viable longterm option. I think he could become serviceable, but he simply does not have the tools to be a solid net+ player for us in my eyes. I thought my initial impression was wrong after SJU game, but it clearly looks like that game was a beautiful aberration. He hasn’t been close to that guy in our other games. Freshmen who are going to eventually flourish tend to flash and fail within games multiple times. Dante rarely flashes in my opinion. By far two most concerning things about him are 1)He NEVER gets to line - which is much worse than fact that he rarely finishes 2)He isn’t a naturally good passer who probes and facilitates. He’s quick end to end and can shoot a little. That’s it. That’s not enough, not even remotely close. And show me guys who have grown appreciably under Ewing? Pickett has regressed. Maybe Javon a tiny bit. Maybe Jagan last year. Otherwise.... I'm going to disagree and defend Dante here. Obviously it hasn't been pretty. But I see a few things that look like they're legitimate skills and should add some value over his career: 1. Speed and ability to beat his man off dribble 2. Long term bullish on the 3pt shot. Numbers aren't terrible right now and form looks good. Optimistic he'll be a 35%+ shooter Your current criticisms are accurate and fair. I was most concerned about the finishing at the rim because we saw it play out w Akinjo. Harris looks like he has some more hops and even looks more comfortable finishing w his left compared to Akinjo. But it's absolutely a question mark if he can figure that out. I've seen enough decent passes to think there's a chance his vision improves. Now I criticized playing Holloway (maybe too harshly) because I don't know what we think the projectable skill is there. I think it's clear what Dante's are. Now I'm not sure whether that's a BE starter or more a 10-15 min backup pg but I think he can improve to the point that he can be part of the rotation on the next winning hoya team. I don't disagree with the criticism on player development but if you're simply arguing all of our players will never improve well then we don't have to bother with any of this.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jan 12, 2021 14:42:33 GMT -5
This is for Dante and I hope he reads this post though I'm not optimistic that he would even see it. Anyways, with that being said...Dante I like your moxy. You have courage and confidence which is needed for a point guard but, I think you could benefit from watching a few videos of Akinjo. When you study Akinjo, the first thing you will see is Akinjo is steady. His steadiness allows him to have a high assist to turnover ratio because he makes the right decisions most of the time. Also, Akinjo has excellent court vision and this is also due to his steadiness. He is never moving too fast or never moving too slow. This pace prevents him from making too many turnovers. He's also picking his spots on the floor (where he is going to go on the floor or dribble to) two and three moves ahead of time in his mind before he is making the next move(s). He never rushes and makes moves ahead of his thinking. Also, Akinjo never worries about getting his points first as he mostly focuses on getting everyone else involved in the offense first. Yet Akinjo always finishes as the highest scorer or in the top two or three and that is because he is a very good shooter who never rushes his shots. Therefore, most of the time, he is shooting a high percentage for both the three point shots and the two point shots. Akinjo gets the passes to his teammates where they can score. He also is very very good at dribble penetration so he is subtly breaking down the defense. He penetrates the key to make the defense collapse and he kicks it out to the shooters on the wings. He can manipulate the defense to move out of position and then dish inside so that his big man can get an easy shot. Dante, in the scheme of the offense, if you can focus on these little bit of tidbits, I think you would finish up the season nicely. So to recap, play with steadiness, use your vision ahead of time instead of in the moment. Don't move too fast and don't move too slow. Get your teammates involved in the offense by keeping the focus on them getting their shots but make sure you put them in position to score. You can do this by manipulating the defense with dribble penetration. Explore the paint of the key to get defenders out of position and then either kick out to the wings, get it to your big man or if the shot is open, shoot the floater or shoot the mid range. I hope you see this message and take some of it, if not all of it, to heart. You can get better but you have to start doing things a little differently so that you can get better. Learn from some of the best point guards in college which I think Akinjo is one of them. Is this Akinjo's Uncle? What about Akinjo's killer ability to over penetrate and get swatted at the rim? Let's move on for crying out loud. Akinjo left and he was OK. Dante can be a better four year player in my opinion as he won't be a team killing cancer the way James appeared to be.
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