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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 9, 2021 23:54:23 GMT -5
Who is the pass first PG on this roster your looking to have come in?? Jalen Harris TJ Berger Heck maybe even Blair. Berger is an off guard at this level. Just like Blair. Our chances of success are so razor thin that it is hard to overcome a couple of turnovers from an off guard playing point. Sometimes there just are no good answers.
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dchoya72
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Post by dchoya72 on Jan 10, 2021 0:05:03 GMT -5
I agree. He reminds a bit of Chris Wright in that Wright was also a bit undersized and struggled to finish around the rim early in his career even though he showed a strong ability to get there. I believe the finishing ability will come with time and experience for Dante. Except Chris Wright was much stronger and taller and was a McDonald's where as Dante is what 3 star? Also more assertive from my perspective. He came in as a top guard from DC's WCAC.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 10, 2021 0:26:45 GMT -5
Dante needs to look for Carey more. Dante needs to stop shooting so much. Carey is hitting 42% of his 3s. Dante should try to get him more touches.
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Jan 10, 2021 0:34:26 GMT -5
Not smart enough to appreciate it but wonder how hard Don works off the ball when we are running stuff.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 10, 2021 0:44:58 GMT -5
Dante needs to look for Carey more. Dante needs to stop shooting so much. Carey is hitting 42% of his 3s. Dante should try to get him more touches. I remember that JT3 had the team run a play to set a 3 for Wallace. Hibbert would go to the top of the arc and get the ball. He would set a screen for Wallace who would come around him, very closely. Hibbert would hand off the ball to Wallace who would shoot it after coming around Hibbert. Why can’t we run that play for Carey when Tim or Wahab is in the game? Tim has the wide body to be a problem for the defender to come around him to guard Carey. I bet it would be as successful as when we ran it back then. It’s one way to get Tim involved and find another shot opportunity for Carey.
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Jan 10, 2021 0:52:57 GMT -5
Dante needs to look for Carey more. Dante needs to stop shooting so much. Carey is hitting 42% of his 3s. Dante should try to get him more touches. I remember that JT3 had the team run a play to set a 3 for Wallace. Hibbert would go to the top of the arc and get the ball. He would set a screen for Wallace who would come around him, very closely. Hibbert would hand off the ball to Wallace who would shoot it after coming around Hibbert. Why can’t we run that play for Carey when Tim or Wahab is in the game? Tim has the wide body to be a problem for the defender to come around him to guard Carey. I bet it would be as successful as when we ran it back then. It’s one way to get Tim involved and find another shot opportunity for Carey. Have you seen our team set screens? It might be the worst part of our offense and I have no idea why. Either the man never sets still for a moment to actually provide help or moves into the defender somehow. It might be the most frustrating part of watching the offense for me.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 10, 2021 0:57:36 GMT -5
I remember that JT3 had the team run a play to set a 3 for Wallace. Hibbert would go to the top of the arc and get the ball. He would set a screen for Wallace who would come around him, very closely. Hibbert would hand off the ball to Wallace who would shoot it after coming around Hibbert. Why can’t we run that play for Carey when Tim or Wahab is in the game? Tim has the wide body to be a problem for the defender to come around him to guard Carey. I bet it would be as successful as when we ran it back then. It’s one way to get Tim involved and find another shot opportunity for Carey. Have you seen our team set screens? It might be the worst part of our offense and I have no idea why. Either the man never sets still for a moment to actually provide help or moves into the defender somehow. It might be the most frustrating part of watching the offense for me. So true. It cannot be that hard to teach with all the staff having to stay at GU all season long (because they cannot travel for recruiting). Anyway, it’s a set play to use while we have these bigs and a shooter like Carey.
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Jan 10, 2021 1:07:52 GMT -5
Still get goosebumps about JWall-s 3 v. UNC at Regional Final in 07. Not a walk down JTIII lane but we were able to set screens for shooters then.
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Post by calhoya on Jan 10, 2021 8:05:03 GMT -5
Harris is learning and there will be growing pains. Nights like last night should be expected--3 pts on 1/8 shooting and 1 TO. Was happy to see Ewing sit him and think it may be necessary to take the pain of putting Blair and Carey/Berger at the point to get more shooting and less out of control play. One problem that cannot be fixed is watching Harris try to defend the taller guards he is playing against. It's not working and several times last night he was matched up against someone who appeared 5+ inches taller. Of course, there are limited options as Berger is nowhere near as quick as Harris and in very limited minutes has yet to show that he can play passable defense against quick guards. Carey and Blair will not win awards for defense either. Never thought I would say it but maybe the best lineup when Harris is off (or least bad lineup) is to play Bile and let Blair, Carey and Pickett work the ball up court. Also saw some real benefits when the Hoyas went smaller last night with Wahab out and Pickett/Bile in the post. Can Clarke handle the Ball? Can he get off the bench?
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 10, 2021 9:56:52 GMT -5
He's hit the rookie wall. Alot of footage on him now so teams have a playbook on how to play him. Just guard him tight so he doesn't have a wide open outside shot, challenge all passing lanes but let him run around and let him drive by you cause you don't have to worry about him finishing as long as their is help mildly challenging him.
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Post by mdtd on Jan 10, 2021 12:59:31 GMT -5
He hasn't been great in our last few games. Nobody is denying that. Still, you have to be patient with a freshman. Jalen Harris's best attribute was that he was getting minutes from Dante while Dante was growing as a player. Still, for Dante not having to play 35+ minutes when he's not effective and getting a rest (both mentally and physically) is important, and getting either a couple of tips or just going against him in practice every day helps a lot.
He's playing out of control and he looks like he's in his own head. He needs someone to spell him some minutes so he can play like himself. He's playing like he has a ton of pressure on him and is trying to be someone he's not. He's young, he's going to calm down and be who he is. You have to be patient with a freshman PG. I haven't seen a spark from him in a little while, which does make me nervous about his future, but you have to be patient with a freshman (especially a three-star PG playing major minutes against high quality competition) and you have to grade them on a curve.
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Post by blueandgray on Jan 10, 2021 13:52:30 GMT -5
I don’t worry about Harris in the long run....he will be solid. Syracuse always has a way of making short PG’s look bad...especially the first time they see Syracuse.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 10, 2021 14:23:39 GMT -5
Too short. Especially if you're playing man defense. Plus not strong enough to take it to the hole. Probably improve over time but don't see him getting much PT when we recruit some quality pgs. Wouldn't surprise me to see him transfer next year.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 10, 2021 15:50:00 GMT -5
Wouldn't surprise me to see him transfer next year. Then why are we wasting minutes on him? Your logic makes zero sense.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 10, 2021 15:55:27 GMT -5
Wouldn't surprise me to see him transfer next year. Then why are we wasting minutes on him? Your logic makes zero sense. I think he’s wrong but I’m pretty sure Doc meant after next season, not this one...
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 10, 2021 16:13:04 GMT -5
A doctor ought to be smart enough to know and follow board rules regarding speculating about transfers.
Not to mention that he has zero idea of Dante's thinking. Dante may not have come here expecting to be PG1, certainly not at this point. Even in this day and age, some players come for the education and just the chance to compete for a starting spot.
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Post by BigmanU on Jan 10, 2021 17:50:17 GMT -5
Let Blair run point at times to take the pressure off.
Markel's Sophomore year, Clark took over at point at the back end of the season and that move in my view helped Markel's GU career.
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Post by trillesthoya on Jan 10, 2021 18:52:58 GMT -5
Blair had 5 turnovers yesterday. At this point I’m tempted to see how Berger does splitting duties with Dante at point.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 10, 2021 19:40:55 GMT -5
Then why are we wasting minutes on him? Your logic makes zero sense. I think he’s wrong but I’m pretty sure Doc meant after next season, not this one... Exactly. I'm saying Dante is not big or strong enough to be a starting pg on our team next year and, if he values pt over a GU education, he may transfer after next year. BTW, a GU education apparently wasn't very important to several of our recent recruits.
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Post by BigmanU on Jan 10, 2021 19:45:02 GMT -5
Blair had 5 turnovers yesterday. At this point I’m tempted to see how Berger does splitting duties with Dante at point. He had 5 TO's, but he definitely had a knack for finding the open man. Unfortunately he had 5 TO's or close to it in three games already this season not running point, he's going to play so you might as well utilize his skill set. I can't see Berger at this stage running the team. It would just another freshman thrown into the fire and his natural position is SG which makes matters worst.
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