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Post by TC on Jan 8, 2021 12:02:07 GMT -5
The problem with Berger at the point right now is that he has not yet shown the ability to handle the pressure of the Big East. In limited minutes he had bad turnovers against Marquette and Butler, and almost a second against Butler. I do agree with giving him a few more minutes at the point to get a better picture, but right now he is an off guard outside threat. Honestly, who cares how he performs this year? At one level it gives you information on what his role is going to be going forward, on another level it gives him experience so that he can be a part of this team going forward. This is not a winning team, this is not a contending team, people should not be clutching their pearls over whether or not one of these freshman is an above average Big East performer at this point. The alternative to running Berger at PG for 12 minutes a game is that Dante Harris plays 40, which isn't going to be great for him, or that your best player (Blair) plays out of position and has no one setting him up.
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Post by rhw485 on Jan 8, 2021 12:08:24 GMT -5
The problem with Berger at the point right now is that he has not yet shown the ability to handle the pressure of the Big East. In limited minutes he had bad turnovers against Marquette and Butler, and almost a second against Butler. I do agree with giving him a few more minutes at the point to get a better picture, but right now he is an off guard outside threat. Honestly, who cares how he performs this year? At one level it gives you information on what his role is going to be going forward, on another level it gives him experience so that he can be a part of this team going forward. This is not a winning team, this is not a contending team, people should not be clutching their pearls over whether or not one of these freshman is an above average Big East performer at this point. The alternative to running Berger at PG for 12 minutes a game is that Dante Harris plays 40, which isn't going to be great for him, or that your best player (Blair) plays out of position and has no one setting him up. He also didn't have a turnover against Marquette. Yes it was a bad minute against Butler. We probably should be spending less time focusing on why Berger was bad in a 1 minute stint and instead asking why the coaching staff had him sit for 35 minutes and bring him into the game for the first time in that situation. The only way to know what we have in the pieces for next season is to play them. This isn't that difficult. Agree with TC 100%.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Jan 8, 2021 13:53:23 GMT -5
Minutes, experience, confidence, knowledge...
MECK
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Post by bostonfan on Jan 8, 2021 13:57:04 GMT -5
The amount of minutes that Dante has had to play since Jalen had to leave the team is a concern. That is a lot to put on a freshman PG, not only physically, but also mentally. I am concerned he will wear down as the year goes on, and hopefully that will not negatively impact his confidence. He seems to play with a lot of confidence now and I hope he can maintain that believe in himself through the highs and lows that come for every freshman in the Big East.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Jan 8, 2021 14:08:06 GMT -5
Dante is a tough kid. He'll be fine.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 8, 2021 14:12:33 GMT -5
Honestly, who cares how he performs this year? At one level it gives you information on what his role is going to be going forward, on another level it gives him experience so that he can be a part of this team going forward. This is not a winning team, this is not a contending team, people should not be clutching their pearls over whether or not one of these freshman is an above average Big East performer at this point. The alternative to running Berger at PG for 12 minutes a game is that Dante Harris plays 40, which isn't going to be great for him, or that your best player (Blair) plays out of position and has no one setting him up. He also didn't have a turnover against Marquette. Yes it was a bad minute against Butler. We probably should be spending less time focusing on why Berger was bad in a 1 minute stint and instead asking why the coaching staff had him sit for 35 minutes and bring him into the game for the first time in that situation. The only way to know what we have in the pieces for next season is to play them. This isn't that difficult. Agree with TC 100%. Yeah I was thinking of the Sibley backcourt travel.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 8, 2021 14:17:59 GMT -5
The problem with Berger at the point right now is that he has not yet shown the ability to handle the pressure of the Big East. In limited minutes he had bad turnovers against Marquette and Butler, and almost a second against Butler. I do agree with giving him a few more minutes at the point to get a better picture, but right now he is an off guard outside threat. Honestly, who cares how he performs this year? At one level it gives you information on what his role is going to be going forward, on another level it gives him experience so that he can be a part of this team going forward. This is not a winning team, this is not a contending team, people should not be clutching their pearls over whether or not one of these freshman is an above average Big East performer at this point. The alternative to running Berger at PG for 12 minutes a game is that Dante Harris plays 40, which isn't going to be great for him, or that your best player (Blair) plays out of position and has no one setting him up. I agree that this season is going nowhere. I don't really have a problem with giving Berger a few more minutes, just not sure point guard is the spot. He seems more suited for Blair's minutes as a shooter. But of course that doesn't solve the problem of getting Harris some rest.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 8, 2021 21:59:55 GMT -5
He has a nice shot and can get by the first man.
If he works hard, he's going to be very good.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jan 9, 2021 14:33:18 GMT -5
He has a nice shot and can get by the first man. If he works hard, he's going to be very good. I agree. He reminds a bit of Chris Wright in that Wright was also a bit undersized and struggled to finish around the rim early in his career even though he showed a strong ability to get there. I believe the finishing ability will come with time and experience for Dante.
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Post by DallasHoya on Jan 9, 2021 15:29:55 GMT -5
He has a nice shot and can get by the first man. If he works hard, he's going to be very good. I agree. He reminds a bit of Chris Wright in that Wright was also a bit undersized and struggled to finish around the rim early in his career even though he showed a strong ability to get there. I believe the finishing ability will come with time and experience for Dante. Chita Wright never learned to shoot a floater. Maybe Blair can teach that to Dante.
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Post by trillesthoya on Jan 9, 2021 21:20:12 GMT -5
Really has taken a step back since his first start. Was really bad this game even if he didn’t cough the ball up as much as the seniors. Looks exactly like you think a three star guard getting major minutes at a high major would.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 9, 2021 22:27:56 GMT -5
He has a nice shot and can get by the first man. If he works hard, he's going to be very good. I agree. He reminds a bit of Chris Wright in that Wright was also a bit undersized and struggled to finish around the rim early in his career even though he showed a strong ability to get there. I believe the finishing ability will come with time and experience for Dante. Except Chris Wright was much stronger and taller and was a McDonald's where as Dante is what 3 star?
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 9, 2021 22:29:47 GMT -5
Really has taken a step back since his first start. Was really bad this game even if he didn’t cough the ball up as much as the seniors. Looks exactly like you think a three star guard getting major minutes at a high major would. If he's not making his shots then it's better to go with a pass first point guard. He's fast but he's always looking to score. This is why Jalen Harris was underrated. Jalen was looking to set people up and get shots to guys like Picket, Blair, etc in their favorite spots.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Jan 9, 2021 22:53:15 GMT -5
Really has taken a step back since his first start. Was really bad this game even if he didn’t cough the ball up as much as the seniors. Looks exactly like you think a three star guard getting major minutes at a high major would. If he's not making his shots then it's better to go with a pass first point guard. He's fast but he's always looking to score. This is why Jalen Harris was underrated. Jalen was looking to set people up and get shots to guys like Picket, Blair, etc in their favorite spots. Who is the pass first PG on this roster your looking to have come in??
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 9, 2021 23:01:45 GMT -5
If he's not making his shots then it's better to go with a pass first point guard. He's fast but he's always looking to score. This is why Jalen Harris was underrated. Jalen was looking to set people up and get shots to guys like Picket, Blair, etc in their favorite spots. Who is the pass first PG on this roster your looking to have come in?? Jalen Harris TJ Berger Heck maybe even Blair.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Jan 9, 2021 23:05:29 GMT -5
Who is the pass first PG on this roster your looking to have come in?? Jalen Harris TJ Berger Heck maybe even Blair. Jalen Harris is not w/the team and I just fell off my chair that you described Blair as a possible pass first PG... Now all of a sudden you want to see more Berger?
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Post by dchoya72 on Jan 9, 2021 23:06:00 GMT -5
I wonder why we don't use any of our walk-ons. They played at the end of last year and made solid contributions.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 9, 2021 23:08:30 GMT -5
Jalen Harris TJ Berger Heck maybe even Blair. Jalen Harris is not w/the team and I just fell off my chair that you described Blair as a possible pass first PG... Now all of a sudden you want to see more Berger? Is it really going to help with next year to have Dante play 37 minutes a game?
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Post by BeantownHoya on Jan 9, 2021 23:11:47 GMT -5
Jalen Harris is not w/the team and I just fell off my chair that you described Blair as a possible pass first PG... Now all of a sudden you want to see more Berger? Is it really going to help with next year to have Dante play 37 minutes a game? Not whatsoever...show me where I said that. Read this thread and the Berger thread...then go back and read your comments on Berger's last game and his 1 minute of game action... Let me know when you have read what I have said exactly about driving Harris into the ground and looking to get Berger more time...exactly what I have been looking for... Funny you seem to not realize your posts remain available on this site you act like you have been looking for Berger to get more time...
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 9, 2021 23:36:05 GMT -5
Is it really going to help with next year to have Dante play 37 minutes a game? Not whatsoever...show me where I said that. Read this thread and the Berger thread...then go back and read your comments on Berger's last game and his 1 minute of game action... Let me know when you have read what I have said exactly about driving Harris into the ground and looking to get Berger more time...exactly what I have been looking for... Funny you seem to not realize your posts remain available on this site you act like you have been looking for Berger to get more time... I wasn't specifically referring to you.
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