zxhoya
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Post by zxhoya on Dec 14, 2020 15:36:33 GMT -5
Put some respect on his name, Joseph Touomou. He is also responsible for Timothy Ighoefe, he coached Timmy with the NBA Academy Africa program so maybe Joe's greatest contribution to the program is yet to be realized.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Dec 14, 2020 15:38:40 GMT -5
Dante is a star! Keep an eye on this young man.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Dec 14, 2020 15:40:35 GMT -5
Not a PG, but Wingate was fast. And the quickest. His change of direction from east-to-west was subtle, yet devastating to an opposing defender. So underrated as a player. Defense was top-notch. Bill Martin was fast and could leap. For a center at 7'0, Ewing ran the floor like a 6'5" wing player. That 84-85 team was insane. They were like a track team on the fast break and with their full-court press.
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hoyas315
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Post by hoyas315 on Dec 14, 2020 15:50:53 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 16:21:28 GMT -5
Okay, so Joseph was the guy that wore #4 right? If so, I vaguely remember him. I had to go back and look at an old Iverson Youtube to refresh my memory. He didn't get a lot of playing time if I recall correctly. Right? My memory is a little fuzzy.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Dec 14, 2020 16:23:47 GMT -5
It's a small sample size, but here's a comparison of the two PGs:
J. Harris Per36: 6.3 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 6.8 apg, 0.8 spg Assist/TO ratio: 1.5/1 Shooting: 25% FG, 36% from 3, 75% FT
D. Harris Per36: 13.5 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 3.2 apg, 1.5 spg Assist/TO ratio: 1.2/1 Shooting: 38% FG, 29% from 3, 80% FT
Not surprisingly, Dante obviously providing more scoring, is at least somewhat of a threat inside the arc, and the better defender both by steals and by the eyeball test (hustle plays, deflections, etc.).
Jalen the better rebounder (not trivial considering how bad we got blown up on the glass in some of these losses) and takes care of the ball marginally better, though not by as much as I initially thought.
Both will still have a role moving forward, but it's safe to say Dante should be getting a lot more than 12 mpg when Jalen is healthy.
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jwp91
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 14, 2020 16:33:24 GMT -5
I loved the way Dante would beat the press up court. The problem was when he got stalled and tried to throw over defenders. That isn’t going to work for him,
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 14, 2020 17:02:49 GMT -5
Okay, so Joseph was the guy that wore #4 right? If so, I vaguely remember him. I had to go back and look at an old Iverson Youtube to refresh my memory. He didn't get a lot of playing time if I recall correctly. Right? My memory is a little fuzzy. I remember attending the Hoya Hoop Club postseason banquet after where Big John played a tape of Touomou draining 3 after 3 after 3 claiming help is on the way. . . 😁😁 www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/joe-touomou-1.html
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 14, 2020 17:06:44 GMT -5
It's a small sample size, but here's a comparison of the two PGs: J. Harris Per36: 6.3 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 6.8 apg, 0.8 spg Assist/TO ratio: 1.5/1 Shooting: 25% FG, 36% from 3, 75% FT D. Harris Per36: 13.5 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 3.2 apg, 1.5 spg Assist/TO ratio: 1.2/1 Shooting: 38% FG, 29% from 3, 80% FT Not surprisingly, Dante obviously providing more scoring, is at least somewhat of a threat inside the arc, and the better defender both by steals and by the eyeball test (hustle plays, deflections, etc.). Jalen the better rebounder (not trivial considering how bad we got blown up on the glass in some of these losses) and takes care of the ball marginally better, though not by as much as I initially thought. Both will still have a role moving forward, but it's safe to say Dante should be getting a lot more than 12 mpg when Jalen is healthy. But Jalen gets 7 assists per 36. That's huge. I think Blair does better when Jalen is out there because he gets Blair the ball in his favorite spots.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 17:07:28 GMT -5
Okay, so Joseph was the guy that wore #4 right? If so, I vaguely remember him. I had to go back and look at an old Iverson Youtube to refresh my memory. He didn't get a lot of playing time if I recall correctly. Right? My memory is a little fuzzy. I remember attending the Hoya Hoop Club postseason banquet after where Big John played a tape of Touomou draining 3 after 3 after 3 claiming help is on the way. . . 😁😁 www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/joe-touomou-1.htmlYou may laugh at Joe but apparently he's all over Youtube training other Africans how to ball.
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Post by smokeyjack on Dec 14, 2020 17:10:01 GMT -5
It's a small sample size, but here's a comparison of the two PGs: J. Harris Per36: 6.3 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 6.8 apg, 0.8 spg Assist/TO ratio: 1.5/1 Shooting: 25% FG, 36% from 3, 75% FT D. Harris Per36: 13.5 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 3.2 apg, 1.5 spg Assist/TO ratio: 1.2/1 Shooting: 38% FG, 29% from 3, 80% FT Not surprisingly, Dante obviously providing more scoring, is at least somewhat of a threat inside the arc, and the better defender both by steals and by the eyeball test (hustle plays, deflections, etc.). Jalen the better rebounder (not trivial considering how bad we got blown up on the glass in some of these losses) and takes care of the ball marginally better, though not by as much as I initially thought. Both will still have a role moving forward, but it's safe to say Dante should be getting a lot more than 12 mpg when Jalen is healthy. I want to offer up yet another mea culpa to Dante and his early advocates. He was outstanding last night and clearly should be the primary PG option going forward. Jalen is a better passer right now, but I think DHarris has the advantage in just about every other category...and he’s a frosh.
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 14, 2020 17:16:29 GMT -5
You may laugh at Joe but apparently he's all over Youtube training other Africans how to ball. I'm not laughing at Touomou as a Hoya and not at his post-Georgetown career at all. I'm laughing at how we in that ballroom banquet watched the tape and thought "Wow"!
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Dec 14, 2020 17:34:19 GMT -5
You may laugh at Joe but apparently he's all over Youtube training other Africans how to ball. Joe is the man!
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Dec 14, 2020 21:07:54 GMT -5
It's a small sample size, but here's a comparison of the two PGs: J. Harris Per36: 6.3 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 6.8 apg, 0.8 spg Assist/TO ratio: 1.5/1 Shooting: 25% FG, 36% from 3, 75% FT D. Harris Per36: 13.5 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 3.2 apg, 1.5 spg Assist/TO ratio: 1.2/1 Shooting: 38% FG, 29% from 3, 80% FT Not surprisingly, Dante obviously providing more scoring, is at least somewhat of a threat inside the arc, and the better defender both by steals and by the eyeball test (hustle plays, deflections, etc.). Jalen the better rebounder (not trivial considering how bad we got blown up on the glass in some of these losses) and takes care of the ball marginally better, though not by as much as I initially thought. Both will still have a role moving forward, but it's safe to say Dante should be getting a lot more than 12 mpg when Jalen is healthy. Here’s a less quantitative comparison: When Jalen is on the floor: “please don’t do anything dumb. Please don’t do anything dumb. Please don’t do anything dumb.” (Like travel at mid court) When Dante is on the floor: “get that kid the ball and he’ll make something happen” Plus Jalen Harris is the worst defensive guard by a country mile on a team that employs Jahvon Blair. That’s saying something. Considering his length, quickness, and athleticism, I can only assume that he’s so absurdly bad on defense because he doesn’t try that hard and/or doesn’t care. And that’s just not acceptable.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Dec 14, 2020 21:13:04 GMT -5
A lot of assumptions.
We are going to need both guys.
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Post by iowa80 on Dec 14, 2020 21:17:47 GMT -5
Not a PG, but Wingate was fast. And the quickest. His change of direction from east-to-west was subtle, yet devastating to an opposing defender. So underrated as a player. Defense was top-notch. Bill Martin was fast and could leap. For a center at 7'0, Ewing ran the floor like a 6'5" wing player. That 84-85 team was insane. They were like a track team on the fast break and with their full-court press. Man, it's so good to hear that. Mr. Graham could get up and down the floor as well.
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Post by TC on Dec 14, 2020 22:01:22 GMT -5
You may laugh at Joe but apparently he's all over Youtube training other Africans how to ball. I'm not laughing at Touomou as a Hoya and not at his post-Georgetown career at all. I'm laughing at how we in that ballroom banquet watched the tape and thought "Wow"! It was the most impressive part of the tape they showed, which I think had Daymond Jackson and Godwin Owinje in it too. He was canning three after three after three. I can't remember if they had any Victor highlights.
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Post by paranoia2 on Dec 14, 2020 22:15:04 GMT -5
A certain player on this year’s team has me yearning for the halcyon days of Godwin Owinje.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Dec 14, 2020 23:54:19 GMT -5
It's a small sample size, but here's a comparison of the two PGs: J. Harris Per36: 6.3 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 6.8 apg, 0.8 spg Assist/TO ratio: 1.5/1 Shooting: 25% FG, 36% from 3, 75% FT D. Harris Per36: 13.5 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 3.2 apg, 1.5 spg Assist/TO ratio: 1.2/1 Shooting: 38% FG, 29% from 3, 80% FT Not surprisingly, Dante obviously providing more scoring, is at least somewhat of a threat inside the arc, and the better defender both by steals and by the eyeball test (hustle plays, deflections, etc.). Jalen the better rebounder (not trivial considering how bad we got blown up on the glass in some of these losses) and takes care of the ball marginally better, though not by as much as I initially thought. Both will still have a role moving forward, but it's safe to say Dante should be getting a lot more than 12 mpg when Jalen is healthy. Here’s a less quantitative comparison: When Jalen is on the floor: “please don’t do anything dumb. Please don’t do anything dumb. Please don’t do anything dumb.” (Like travel at mid court) When Dante is on the floor: “get that kid the ball and he’ll make something happen” Plus Jalen Harris is the worst defensive guard by a country mile on a team that employs Jahvon Blair. That’s saying something. Considering his length, quickness, and athleticism, I can only assume that he’s so absurdly bad on defense because he doesn’t try that hard and/or doesn’t care. And that’s just not acceptable. We're getting at a similar desired outcome, but we've already got a coach who prefers to throw out the numbers and goes off of "just what he feels," so I'll stick with the numbers to make my point.
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Post by tashoya on Dec 15, 2020 0:02:53 GMT -5
It's one game but this kid has me excited about watching him play. Sort of how I felt about LeBlanc. I realize it's probably going to be a slog this year but I like this group. I want to see them go at teams they're, "not supposed to beat." The W/L probably won't be pretty but I love the fight in the team. Get 'em, Hoyas!
Also, Berger needs to play. A lot.
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