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Post by TC on Dec 14, 2020 12:32:58 GMT -5
So this game against Ohio State happened in the post season of his sophomore year? If so that was two years before my time as a Hoya viewer. But throughout his senior year I kept hearing/reading about the whole PJ thing. I guess the media oversimplified all of it. Freshman year Charles Smith was a rarely used defensive waterbug that would harass & use his quick feet trying to draw charges on damn near every defensive possession. Think Joesph Toumou but a serious one with less buffoonery. I believe Big John told him he would never get serious playing time. It hurts my heart reading someone put Joe Touomou in the same sentence as the word "buffoonery". From day one guy worked his butt off, was composed and unselfish, and was severely limited by injury. I've always viewed him as the opposite of "not serious" and "buffoonery".
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Post by the_way on Dec 14, 2020 12:43:50 GMT -5
Freshman year Charles Smith was a rarely used defensive waterbug that would harass & use his quick feet trying to draw charges on damn near every defensive possession. Think Joesph Toumou but a serious one with less buffoonery. I believe Big John told him he would never get serious playing time. It hurts my heart reading someone put Joe Touomou in the same sentence as the word "buffoonery". From day one guy worked his butt off, was composed and unselfish, and was severely limited by injury. I've always viewed him as the opposite of "not serious" and "buffoonery". This 100%. Joe gave it his all. He was the true definition of a Hoya.
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 14, 2020 13:24:55 GMT -5
Can we admit he over-shuffled his feet?
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Post by paranoia2 on Dec 14, 2020 13:41:42 GMT -5
Toumou STUNK. Great guy, tried hard & STUNK. Charles Smith came in as a freshman & harassed Pearl Washington & Mark Jackson. Toumou came in windmilling his arms & getting blown by with his HAM-N-EGG actual defense. He couldn’t shoot & was not a BE quality player.
When he took a seat in the first row, smiled for the camera he cemented his BUFFOONERY status.
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Post by Elvado on Dec 14, 2020 13:46:27 GMT -5
It hurts my heart reading someone put Joe Touomou in the same sentence as the word "buffoonery". From day one guy worked his butt off, was composed and unselfish, and was severely limited by injury. I've always viewed him as the opposite of "not serious" and "buffoonery". This 100%. Joe gave it his all. He was the true definition of a Hoya. Joe gave everything he had. It was not enough. Far too much gesticulating and “look at me” crap for this old man’s taste.
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 14, 2020 13:51:26 GMT -5
Got to give the coaching staff the credit they are due for not only finding this guy but playing him a lot when they probably didn’t want to this early in his career. Hopefully last night is a sign not only for his future but also for some signs of improvement from the coaching side of things.
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Post by the_way on Dec 14, 2020 13:58:21 GMT -5
This 100%. Joe gave it his all. He was the true definition of a Hoya. Joe gave everything he had. It was not enough. Far too much gesticulating and “look at me” crap for this old man’s taste. He wasn't a selfish player or a look me player though. That was him giving it his all. He was a role player. He did the best he could with what he had, even if it wasn't much. That is what JT2 required from all of his players: 100% effort. Whether you were a future Hall of Famer or a role-player like Joe, they all contributed as Hoyas.
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 14, 2020 14:10:28 GMT -5
Yeah, on my part at least when I wrote Dante doesn't have Iverson's freakish athleticism I would have thought that made it clear there is no true comparison. Dante also doesn't have Iverson's wingspan. But the speed? He is the closest I have seen in that front. Not even the closest really. Page was fast. Bryant was fast. Mike Jackson was fast. Some of those fast breaks back in the day were insane. Dante has some good speed. He would fit in well with some of those Pops teams. Page wasn't nearly that fast with the ball. Bryant sure as hell wasn't either. If you don't have their games on tapes/DVDs like I do you can catch many of them on YouTube. Jackson, from what I can see from the older games I have acquired, was one of hell of a shooter for much of his career. If he had that type of speed to go along with that he would be a top seven Hoya. Come on, man.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Dec 14, 2020 14:10:53 GMT -5
Toumou STUNK. Great guy, tried hard & STUNK. Charles Smith came in as a freshman & harassed Pearl Washington & Mark Jackson. Toumou came in windmilling his arms & getting blown by with his HAM-N-EGG actual defense. He couldn’t shoot & was not a BE quality player. When he took a seat in the first row, smiled for the camera he cemented his BUFFOONERY status. Wow, giving grief to an alum in a freshman guards thread 20+ years after the guy last played. SOLID!
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 14, 2020 14:13:47 GMT -5
Are we revising history on Markel? He was invisible for a couple of years. December frosh Dante>>> December Frosh Markel If we had Chris Wright, Jason Clark, and Austin in the backcourt right now, Dante Harris wouldn't be on the court. He'll probably have better FR numbers than Chris Wright too. Dante has a not-so-decorated transfer and... no one else in front of him at the PG spot. Wright & Starks were pivotal players on Top 10 teams. Let's let this play out for a bit... You make valid points. I’m just going to say when you get your chance you have to make the most of it, and Dante certainly has done that.
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Post by the_way on Dec 14, 2020 14:28:11 GMT -5
Not even the closest really. Page was fast. Bryant was fast. Mike Jackson was fast. Some of those fast breaks back in the day were insane. Dante has some good speed. He would fit in well with some of those Pops teams. Page wasn't nearly that fast with the ball. Bryant sure as hell wasn't either. If you don't have their games on tapes/DVDs like I do you can catch many of them on YouTube. Jackson, from what I can see from the older games I have acquired, was one of hell of a shooter for much of his career. If he had that type of speed to go along with that he would be a top seven Hoya. Come on, man. I watched those games. Page was fast with the ball. Explosive. Jackson and Bryant could push the ball up the court on a fast break. Those fast breaks during where something to see. They were fast.
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Post by the_way on Dec 14, 2020 14:31:59 GMT -5
Toumou STUNK. Great guy, tried hard & STUNK. Charles Smith came in as a freshman & harassed Pearl Washington & Mark Jackson. Toumou came in windmilling his arms & getting blown by with his HAM-N-EGG actual defense. He couldn’t shoot & was not a BE quality player. When he took a seat in the first row, smiled for the camera he cemented his BUFFOONERY status. Wow, giving grief to an alum in a freshman guards thread 20+ years after the guy last played. SOLID!
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Post by seaweed on Dec 14, 2020 14:41:06 GMT -5
Dante does a good job of looking the part without actually being effective. That’s why the views on him are so wide right now. He shouldn’t be playing at this level right now but on this team he has to. This is not surprising considering the level he played in HS. He wasn’t particularly efficient even against that comp so there is no reason to believe he will be here for a while. He does have the chance to be a very good backup in a few years which hopefully is what this team needs by then. This post did not age well
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 14:42:24 GMT -5
Wow! I never even heard of this guy Toumou. Can you guys tell me about him? Was he playing during the years, I spent so much time pursuing a degree, and didn't catch too much of the Hoyas? Who is this guy? Was he a Hoya? Why haven't I even heard his name? What years did he play?
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Post by the_way on Dec 14, 2020 14:52:32 GMT -5
Wow! I never even heard of this guy Toumou. Can you guys tell me about him? Was he playing during the years, I spent so much time pursuing a degree, and didn't catch too much of the Hoyas? Who is this guy? Was he a Hoya? Why haven't I even heard his name? What years did he play? Joe is a legend. He was a backup PG off the bench for Iverson during the 1995-1996 year. That was Joe's freshmen year. He was the classic guy who plays at the Y. Not that great, but took himself seriously playing defense with his hands and arms all over the place. Bringing the ball up the court with one hand calling a set play with the other hand every time. lol. He wasn't that good, but he did his best as a role player. And that you can admire about him.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 14, 2020 14:58:53 GMT -5
Wow! I never even heard of this guy Toumou. Can you guys tell me about him? Was he playing during the years, I spent so much time pursuing a degree, and didn't catch too much of the Hoyas? Who is this guy? Was he a Hoya? Why haven't I even heard his name? What years did he play? www.hoyabasketball.com/players/j_touomou.htm
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 15:03:57 GMT -5
Wow! I never even heard of this guy Toumou. Can you guys tell me about him? Was he playing during the years, I spent so much time pursuing a degree, and didn't catch too much of the Hoyas? Who is this guy? Was he a Hoya? Why haven't I even heard his name? What years did he play? Joe is a legend. He was a backup PG off the bench for Iverson during the 1995-1996 year. That was Joe's freshmen year. He was the classic guy who plays at the Y. Not that great, but took himself seriously playing defense with his hands and arms all over the place. Bringing the ball up the court with one hand calling a set play with the other hand every time. lol. He wasn't that good, but he did his best as a role player. And that you can admire about him. Wow, never even heard of him and it obvious I had never seen him play.
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 14, 2020 15:08:00 GMT -5
Wow! I never even heard of this guy Toumou. Can you guys tell me about him? Was he playing during the years, I spent so much time pursuing a degree, and didn't catch too much of the Hoyas? Who is this guy? Was he a Hoya? Why haven't I even heard his name? What years did he play? Joe is a legend. He was a backup PG off the bench for Iverson during the 1995-1996 year. That was Joe's freshmen year. He was the classic guy who plays at the Y. Not that great, but took himself seriously playing defense with his hands and arms all over the place. Bringing the ball up the court with one hand calling a set play with the other hand every time. lol. He wasn't that good, but he did his best as a role player. And that you can admire about him. He was good at Yates.
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Post by paranoia2 on Dec 14, 2020 15:15:19 GMT -5
. [/quote]Wow, giving grief to an alum in a freshman guards thread 20+ years after the guy last played. SOLID![/quote]
Let’s all hold hands & give everyone a participation trophy. Plenty of guards that could actually play to wax poetic about.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 14, 2020 15:34:37 GMT -5
Not a PG, but Wingate was fast.
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