EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 14, 2020 8:31:09 GMT -5
So this game against Ohio State happened in the post season of his sophomore year? If so that was two years before my time as a Hoya viewer. But throughout his senior year I kept hearing/reading about the whole PJ thing. I guess the media oversimplified all of it. It's all right here... www.hoyabasketball.com/players/c_smith.htm
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 14, 2020 8:38:15 GMT -5
So this game against Ohio State happened in the post season of his sophomore year? If so that was two years before my time as a Hoya viewer. But throughout his senior year I kept hearing/reading about the whole PJ thing. I guess the media oversimplified all of it. Freshman year Charles Smith was a rarely used defensive waterbug that would harass & use his quick feet trying to draw charges on damn near every defensive possession. Think Joesph Toumou but a serious one with less buffoonery. I believe Big John told him he would never get serious playing time. The OSU game would be so much more epic if the team had not laid the major egg vs. Providence in Elite 8. Smith just started draining 3’s against the Buckeyes erasing a 15 point halftime deficit. Next season he had the coast to coast to be Syracuse and the bank shot to beat LSU in NCAA tournament and had developed a series of jerky jerk floaters along the way. Became he team leader. That loss to PC hurt but without Smith in the OSU game that would have put a damper on the Reggie & the Miracles lore among longtime Hoya fans...
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Post by rhw485 on Dec 14, 2020 8:51:38 GMT -5
Really just checked this thread to see if jctnhoya4ever had taken his victory lap yet...because man you deserve it.
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Post by vv83 on Dec 14, 2020 9:18:56 GMT -5
In the land of hyperbolic reactions born from excitement, I couldn’t help but think of Iverson. I thought of that in regards to the blow-by-speed and getting to whatever spot he wanted. Iverson though also had that freakish athleticism which Dante does not possess. Dante looks like he could be a very good player. Iverson is possibly the best 6' or under player to ever play the game. I understand the enthusiastic comparisons due to the excitement of the moment. But there really is never going to be an accurate comparison of anyone to Iverson. he was a true "one of one" kind of player, to use a recent Ryan Mutombo quote.
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Post by bostonfan on Dec 14, 2020 10:11:34 GMT -5
I thought of that in regards to the blow-by-speed and getting to whatever spot he wanted. Iverson though also had that freakish athleticism which Dante does not possess. Dante looks like he could be a very good player. Iverson is possibly the best 6' or under player to ever play the game. I understand the enthusiastic comparisons due to the excitement of the moment. But there really is never going to be an accurate comparison of anyone to Iverson. he was a true "one of one" kind of player, to use a recent Ryan Mutombo quote. I am very impressed with Dante, but he should not be compared to AI. That is not fair to Dante, and while I think he is talented, he is not in that league, In fairness, not many people who have ever played are in that league with AI. I would think Dante could develop into a player like Markel Starks, who was a very good PG/player for Georgetown and this program would be fortunate to have someone have a career like Markel had.
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Post by paranoia2 on Dec 14, 2020 10:20:25 GMT -5
Markel was a good player but he was not sending out messages like “Kill or be Killed” before games. Dante has BALLS, toughness and puts his stamp on a game. Markel was a “nice” player.
I believe Dante has Jessie Sapp like toughness. That is a GREAT thing.
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Post by blueandgray on Dec 14, 2020 10:23:33 GMT -5
I thought of that in regards to the blow-by-speed and getting to whatever spot he wanted. Iverson though also had that freakish athleticism which Dante does not possess. Dante looks like he could be a very good player. Iverson is possibly the best 6' or under player to ever play the game. I understand the enthusiastic comparisons due to the excitement of the moment. But there really is never going to be an accurate comparison of anyone to Iverson. he was a true "one of one" kind of player, to use a recent Ryan Mutombo quote. Please...no Iverson comparisons!!!
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 14, 2020 10:23:37 GMT -5
Dante looks taller than 5-10. He looks about 6 feet to me.
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Post by tribeninerhoya on Dec 14, 2020 10:28:42 GMT -5
Guys - that's why it was caveated with "hyperbolic reactions." Also, comparisons should always be allowed. As noted by MCI, there can be similarities between players without insisting that player X is a clone of player Y or even has all of the tools. Dante appears to be lightning fast, takes defense seriously, has a sweet touch, etc. He turns the ball over a lot (freshman), doesn't appear to be as freakishly athletic, and doesn't have nearly the assist numbers to cover for the TOs (again - this is a freshman).
Again comparisons and reminders of specific aspects of one player to another are not endorsements that X player is as good as, has all the tools of, or will have the same career as Y player.
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paranoia2
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Post by paranoia2 on Dec 14, 2020 10:50:37 GMT -5
Not a direct comp but I imagined this type of production was what Cole Anthony would have provided....not comping the players, Anthony bigger, better athlete (not by staggering level) ...
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 14, 2020 11:12:05 GMT -5
I hope Dante can wash away my tears from Waters, Anthony and Davis misses.
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Post by wponds on Dec 14, 2020 11:14:11 GMT -5
Big East Freshman of the Week
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Dec 14, 2020 11:24:16 GMT -5
Markel was a good player but he was not sending out messages like “Kill or be Killed” before games. Dante has BALLS, toughness and puts his stamp on a game. Markel was a “nice” player. I believe Dante has Jessie Sapp like toughness. That is a GREAT thing. Nah, Markel was a dog. Mentally tough as they come. Nice is not something I would describe Markel on the court. He was determined, focused, and tenacious. You don't have to send messages out to be something. Not saying this about Dante, but a lot of guys talk tough but are competitively soft when it matters most.
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 14, 2020 11:42:25 GMT -5
Are we revising history on Markel? He was invisible for a couple of years.
December frosh Dante>>> December Frosh Markel
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Post by hoyazeke on Dec 14, 2020 11:56:26 GMT -5
Are we revising history on Markel? He was invisible for a couple of years. December frosh Dante>>> December Frosh Markel Not a fair comparison...Kel was playing behind Chris, Jason and Austin...Dante was playing behind Jalen and Juggy... not close in the competition category.
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 14, 2020 12:00:00 GMT -5
Are we revising history on Markel? He was invisible for a couple of years. December frosh Dante>>> December Frosh Markel Not a fair comparison...Kel was playing behind Chris, Jason and Austin...Dante was playing behind Jalen and Juggy... not close in the competition category. True. And he was invisible for 2 years. Let’s not act like he wasn’t
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 12:04:33 GMT -5
Are we revising history on Markel? He was invisible for a couple of years. December frosh Dante>>> December Frosh Markel If we had Chris Wright, Jason Clark, and Austin in the backcourt right now, Dante Harris wouldn't be on the court. He'll probably have better FR numbers than Chris Wright too. Dante has a not-so-decorated transfer and... no one else in front of him at the PG spot. Wright & Starks were pivotal players on Top 10 teams. Let's let this play out for a bit...
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Post by the_way on Dec 14, 2020 12:06:32 GMT -5
Are we revising history on Markel? He was invisible for a couple of years. December frosh Dante>>> December Frosh Markel Relax. I said that Dante looked better than Markel in an earlier post in this thread as a freshmen. But to say that Markel was good player, but "nice" is inaccurate. Yes, he started slow but became a beast later in his career. He became that way because of this toughness, tenacity, and desire to become a better player. He was mentally tough, anything but nice.
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 14, 2020 12:12:16 GMT -5
Guys - that's why it was caveated with "hyperbolic reactions." Also, comparisons should always be allowed. As noted by MCI, there can be similarities between players without insisting that player X is a clone of player Y or even has all of the tools. Dante appears to be lightning fast, takes defense seriously, has a sweet touch, etc. He turns the ball over a lot (freshman), doesn't appear to be as freakishly athletic, and doesn't have nearly the assist numbers to cover for the TOs (again - this is a freshman). Again comparisons and reminders of specific aspects of one player to another are not endorsements that X player is as good as, has all the tools of, or will have the same career as Y player. Yeah, on my part at least when I wrote Dante doesn't have Iverson's freakish athleticism I would have thought that made it clear there is no true comparison. Dante also doesn't have Iverson's wingspan. But the speed? He is the closest I have seen in that front.
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Post by the_way on Dec 14, 2020 12:22:14 GMT -5
Guys - that's why it was caveated with "hyperbolic reactions." Also, comparisons should always be allowed. As noted by MCI, there can be similarities between players without insisting that player X is a clone of player Y or even has all of the tools. Dante appears to be lightning fast, takes defense seriously, has a sweet touch, etc. He turns the ball over a lot (freshman), doesn't appear to be as freakishly athletic, and doesn't have nearly the assist numbers to cover for the TOs (again - this is a freshman). Again comparisons and reminders of specific aspects of one player to another are not endorsements that X player is as good as, has all the tools of, or will have the same career as Y player. Yeah, on my part at least when I wrote Dante doesn't have Iverson's freakish athleticism I would have thought that made it clear there is no true comparison. Dante also doesn't have Iverson's wingspan. But the speed? He is the closest I have seen in that front. Not even the closest really. Page was fast. Bryant was fast. Mike Jackson was fast. Some of those fast breaks back in the day were insane. Dante has some good speed. He would fit in well with some of those Pops teams.
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