wolveribe
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Post by wolveribe on Apr 13, 2023 17:29:51 GMT -5
Of course it is not that cut and dried. I like Dual as a prospect. Like him a lot. He has a real shot to get playing time at Providence in year 1. If he came to Georgetown, the potential playing time is limited because of Epps, Heath, and Rowan are all similar stye players and Styles is a wing player. I highly doubt Dual is afraid to compete with Heath, Brumbaugh and Styles. Those are all complimentary-type players, none of them are going to the NBA. Epps is a ball-dominant combo guard that will get his, so I’ll give you Epps as a potential concern for Dual. But not sure how you could argue Dual has an easier path to playing time at Providence than Georgetown. Cooley/our NIL guys got worked over, plain and simple. Afraid to compete? Dont believe I said that. But, who does Providence have in terms of ball dominant guards? Jayden Pierre? |
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 13, 2023 17:30:52 GMT -5
Which part of "Garwey Dual won't be at the same school for 2024-2025, but Rowan Brumbaugh will be" is hard to understand? Which part of “Kim English is out-recruiting Ed Cooley” is hard to understand? |
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 13, 2023 17:31:53 GMT -5
Of course it is not that cut and dried. I like Dual as a prospect. Like him a lot. He has a real shot to get playing time at Providence in year 1. If he came to Georgetown, the potential playing time is limited because of Epps, Heath, and Rowan are all similar stye players and Styles is a wing player. I highly doubt Dual is afraid to compete with Heath, Brumbaugh and Styles. Those are all complimentary-type players, none of them are going to the NBA. Epps is a ball-dominant combo guard that will get his, so I’ll give you Epps as a potential concern for Dual. But not sure how you could argue Dual has an easier path to playing time at Providence than Georgetown. Cooley/our NIL guys got worked over, plain and simple. I hear you but if he’s good at all we will just grab him next year and have him locked in for the rest of his college career. Our Nil money is needed for Hunter or oyenusu. That’s the main position of need. |
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wolveribe
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Post by wolveribe on Apr 13, 2023 17:35:41 GMT -5
Again - how are we a match for a potential one and done at this point? The problem with Ewing is that he didn't do any long term roster building and tried to shake the snow globe every season. Ed Cooley is doing the long term roster building, and Dual isn't a long term piece. If we didn’t want Dual, why did we just have him on campus for an official visit? Heath is nothing special and Brumbaugh is completely unproven. Do you really think Dual couldn’t play over those two? Plus, we could always go three guards with Dual’s size. Hate to break it to you, but Dontrez Styles is not good enough to play significant minutes ahead of Dual. I don't think anyone is saying Georgetown didn't want him. It is possible they took the bird in the hand with Rowan. If Brumbaugh is completely uproven, what is Dual? Heath has 4 years of double digit scoring, including one year in the Big East. Im not sure the point of putting him down, but what are the odds Dual can put up several double digit scoring seasons? You aren't playing Epps, Dual, and Rowan together. That is silly. Syles isn't good enough to play significant minutes over Dual? Based on what? Dual is essentially rated what Styles was years ago. How is Dual more of a guarantee? I have nothing against Dual. He's good. But you are acting like he's a sure thing and better than players that have proven themselves at the college level (Epps/Heath) or guys that are rated similarly to him (Styles/Rowan) when he can go to another Big East school with possibly more talent and have an easier path to playing from the start. |
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wolveribe
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Post by wolveribe on Apr 13, 2023 17:38:17 GMT -5
Which part of "Garwey Dual won't be at the same school for 2024-2025, but Rowan Brumbaugh will be" is hard to understand? Thats a great point as well. If Dual is legit, he lasts 1 year and hes gone. Maybe he shows potential but isnt a main ingredient for them. Rowan already used his transfer. The likelihood of him going another place is slim. |
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 13, 2023 17:38:27 GMT -5
Again - how are we a match for a potential one and done at this point? The problem with Ewing is that he didn't do any long term roster building and tried to shake the snow globe every season. Ed Cooley is doing the long term roster building, and Dual isn't a long term piece. If we didn’t want Dual, why did we just have him on campus for an official visit? Heath is nothing special and Brumbaugh is completely unproven. Do you really think Dual couldn’t play over those two? Plus, we could always go three guards with Dual’s size. Hate to break it to you, but Dontrez Styles is not good enough to play significant minutes ahead of Dual. I’m sure we wanted dual but the fact that he didn’t sign when on campus (and fielder already signed) says something. Imo dual wanted alot of money. The money isn’t worth it when it’s a one year renal and be can skip town after his freshman year. This is why Pitino decided to pass on him. |
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Omega
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Post by Omega on Apr 13, 2023 18:19:29 GMT -5
Folks be happy for Providence. They haven't given up, they fighting for their recruits... Good for them.
This victory may bring some 0eace and comfort to them which is nice
After all, GU did take their coach.. for me I'd rather the coach and they can keep the player.
Think about it this way, he could have committed to St Johns then this board would be in full melt down...
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hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Apr 13, 2023 18:38:27 GMT -5
Which part of "Garwey Dual won't be at the same school for 2024-2025, but Rowan Brumbaugh will be" is hard to understand? Which part of “Kim English is out-recruiting Ed Cooley” is hard to understand? What part of you are going to find cause to criticize everything Ed Cooley does is hard to understand? |
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Post by bills on Apr 13, 2023 19:45:17 GMT -5
If we didn’t want Dual, why did we just have him on campus for an official visit? Heath is nothing special and Brumbaugh is completely unproven. Do you really think Dual couldn’t play over those two? Plus, we could always go three guards with Dual’s size. Hate to break it to you, but Dontrez Styles is not good enough to play significant minutes ahead of Dual. I don't think anyone is saying Georgetown didn't want him. It is possible they took the bird in the hand with Rowan. If Brumbaugh is completely uproven, what is Dual? Heath has 4 years of double digit scoring, including one year in the Big East. Im not sure the point of putting him down, but what are the odds Dual can put up several double digit scoring seasons? You aren't playing Epps, Dual, and Rowan together. That is silly. Syles isn't good enough to play significant minutes over Dual? Based on what? Dual is essentially rated what Styles was years ago. How is Dual more of a guarantee? I have nothing against Dual. He's good. But you are acting like he's a sure thing and better than players that have proven themselves at the college level (Epps/Heath) or guys that are rated similarly to him (Styles/Rowan) when he can go to another Big East school with possibly more talent and have an easier path to playing from the start. No, he is finding doom and gloom for anything Georgetown does. In his opinion the recruits we have gotten are mediocre at best and this one we did not get is clearly better than players similarly ranked when they were in high school and noe have a year of college experience and no transfer option remaining. What ever Georgetown does next he will find fault with and every player that does not sign with Georgetown is proof that Colley is a bad hire. In short, he has no credibility. |
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Post by seaweed on Apr 13, 2023 20:22:58 GMT -5
I know you cannot pass on a chance to knock a Hoya and hype an opponent, but how does a year of practicing with one fine college backcourt and coach affect one’s consensus HS ranking? |
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 13, 2023 21:02:22 GMT -5
I wouldn’t spend my NIL money on a high school senior. Unproven and young. Spend your cash on proven college players that are more developed both physically and mentally.
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Post by TC on Apr 14, 2023 7:59:50 GMT -5
I wouldn’t spend my NIL money on a high school senior. Unproven and young. Spend your cash on proven college players that are more developed both physically and mentally. I don't think it's the unproven nature that is as much the issue as the free transfer. We're trying to get old and stay old, and you don't do that by spending giant amounts of resources on incoming freshmen who show from day 0 that the NIL is the decision factor. He's not going to be there year 2. |
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 16, 2023 17:57:18 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 16, 2023 18:06:54 GMT -5
Bronny James is Nike USC is Addidas ucla is Nike |
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Post by bornhoya on Apr 17, 2023 14:38:17 GMT -5
Bronny James is Nike USC is Addidas ucla is Nike USC is Nike, UCLA is Jordan |
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 18, 2023 11:36:15 GMT -5
"Papa Kante, a four-star center in the senior class, has requested a release from his National Letter of Intent with Michigan, he tells On3. The 6-foot-10, 225-pound prospect of South Kent (Conn.) School committed to the Wolverines in October beating out the likes of Maryland, Memphis, Pittsburgh, and Rutgers... “First and foremost I want to thank Allah (God) for blessing me every day and making me believe that everything happens for a reason. After a lot of thought and conversations with my family, I have decided to request a release from my NLI to University of Michigan. Thank you to the coaching staff and Michigan fans for their interest in me. Thank you to all my supporters, friends and family for continuing to show love.” Kante ranks as the No. 73 overall prospect in the 2023 class, according to the On3 Industry Ranking, a weighted average that utilizes all four major recruiting media companies." www.on3.com/college/michigan-wolverines/news/michigan-basketball-papa-kante-requests-release-from-nli/ |
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 18, 2023 14:44:06 GMT -5
We have the coach he originally committed to and should be a much more attractive destination than Providence. You can't lose recruiting battles to the Friars and expect people to take you seriously. Pretty clear that Dual was not impressed with our NIL offers: Too bad. A high schooler with an intact free transfer is not the person that we should be spending our NIL money on at the point where we are doing a complete roster rebuild. Providence is going to get one year out of him, and it'll be his inexperienced freshman year, and then he's going to jet. They have a competitive roster at this point, so maybe it makes some sense for them to offer a bunch of NIL, but we do not. Locking in Epps / Brumbaugh / Styles types who have both experience and future eligibility and use up their free transfer coming over is a much better use of scholarship / NIL. Bump |
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 26, 2023 11:14:17 GMT -5
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Post by xpathoya on May 2, 2023 12:41:26 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaboya on May 4, 2023 12:16:41 GMT -5
We have the coach he originally committed to and should be a much more attractive destination than Providence. You can't lose recruiting battles to the Friars and expect people to take you seriously. Pretty clear that Dual was not impressed with our NIL offers: “Recruitment: Committed to Providence Previous ranking: 85 New ranking: 42 Why he moved: Garwey Dual has to be one of the best stories in the class of 2023. A tough and athletic guard who is originally from Houston, he came off the bench as a high school junior after moving to Indiana. Last spring, Dual broke onto the scene thanks to his combination of size, length and ability to make life miserable for opposing guards as a defender. Dual is still a potentially elite defender but what’s allowed him to move up is how much he’s improved on the offensive end. He still has work to do as a jump shooter, but his improved reads as a passer and aggressiveness as a scorer in the paint bode well for his future. Keeping him in the fold was huge for new Friars coach Kim English.” 247sports.com/LongFormArticle/College-basketball-recruiting-Hottest-risers-in-247Sports-final-ranking-for-the-class-of-2023-209417525/#209417525_3 |
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