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Post by bostonfan on Apr 13, 2023 13:43:43 GMT -5
A little surprising!!! A big get for English |
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Post by hoyadoing on Apr 13, 2023 14:22:27 GMT -5
Really really poor - Dual is a guy that we should 100% be getting.
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Post by guru on Apr 13, 2023 14:44:14 GMT -5
Really really poor - Dual is a guy that we should 100% be getting. Why? |
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Post by hoyadoing on Apr 13, 2023 15:20:13 GMT -5
Really really poor - Dual is a guy that we should 100% be getting. Why? We have the coach he originally committed to and should be a much more attractive destination than Providence. You can't lose recruiting battles to the Friars and expect people to take you seriously. Pretty clear that Dual was not impressed with our NIL offers: |
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Post by TC on Apr 13, 2023 15:42:45 GMT -5
We have the coach he originally committed to and should be a much more attractive destination than Providence. You can't lose recruiting battles to the Friars and expect people to take you seriously. Pretty clear that Dual was not impressed with our NIL offers: Too bad. A high schooler with an intact free transfer is not the person that we should be spending our NIL money on at the point where we are doing a complete roster rebuild. Providence is going to get one year out of him, and it'll be his inexperienced freshman year, and then he's going to jet. They have a competitive roster at this point, so maybe it makes some sense for them to offer a bunch of NIL, but we do not. Locking in Epps / Brumbaugh / Styles types who have both experience and future eligibility and use up their free transfer coming over is a much better use of scholarship / NIL. |
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 13, 2023 15:50:51 GMT -5
We have the coach he originally committed to and should be a much more attractive destination than Providence. You can't lose recruiting battles to the Friars and expect people to take you seriously. Pretty clear that Dual was not impressed with our NIL offers: Too bad. A high schooler with an intact free transfer is not the person that we should be spending our NIL money on at the point where we are doing a complete roster rebuild. Providence is going to get one year out of him, and it'll be his inexperienced freshman year, and then he's going to jet. They have a competitive roster at this point, so maybe it makes some sense for them to offer a bunch of NIL, but we do not. Locking in Epps / Brumbaugh / Styles types who have both experience and future eligibility and use up their free transfer coming over is a much better use of scholarship / NIL. So…we didn’t want him anyway? We had the kid on campus a week ago and couldn’t seal the deal. Dual has NBA draft buzz and is a different level of talent than Styles, Epps and Brumbaugh according to those who rate talent for a living. Spin it however you’d like, and Cooley’s done OK so far, but to this point he’s getting out-recruited by Kim English. |
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Post by wolveribe on Apr 13, 2023 15:55:58 GMT -5
Of course it is not that cut and dried.
I like Dual as a prospect. Like him a lot. He has a real shot to get playing time at Providence in year 1. If he came to Georgetown, the potential playing time is limited because of Epps, Heath, and Rowan are all similar stye players and Styles is a wing player.
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 13, 2023 15:59:22 GMT -5
Of course it is not that cut and dried. I like Dual as a prospect. Like him a lot. He has a real shot to get playing time at Providence in year 1. If he came to Georgetown, the potential playing time is limited because of Epps, Heath, and Rowan are all similar stye players and Styles is a wing player. I highly doubt Dual is afraid to compete with Heath, Brumbaugh and Styles. Those are all complimentary-type players, none of them are going to the NBA. Epps is a ball-dominant combo guard that will get his, so I’ll give you Epps as a potential concern for Dual. But not sure how you could argue Dual has an easier path to playing time at Providence than Georgetown. Cooley/our NIL guys got worked over, plain and simple. |
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Post by kbones17 on Apr 13, 2023 16:09:27 GMT -5
We have the coach he originally committed to and should be a much more attractive destination than Providence. You can't lose recruiting battles to the Friars and expect people to take you seriously. Pretty clear that Dual was not impressed with our NIL offers: Too bad. A high schooler with an intact free transfer is not the person that we should be spending our NIL money on at the point where we are doing a complete roster rebuild. Providence is going to get one year out of him, and it'll be his inexperienced freshman year, and then he's going to jet. They have a competitive roster at this point, so maybe it makes some sense for them to offer a bunch of NIL, but we do not. Locking in Epps / Brumbaugh / Styles types who have both experience and future eligibility and use up their free transfer coming over is a much better use of scholarship / NIL. I agree. I think Dual is much more raw than some on here realize. Not worried about not getting him. Let’s wait and see who we add in the next few weeks. |
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Post by TC on Apr 13, 2023 16:12:38 GMT -5
We had the kid on campus a week ago and couldn’t seal the deal. Dual has NBA draft buzz and is a different level of talent than Styles, Epps and Brumbaugh according to those who rate talent for a living. Spin it however you’d like, and Cooley’s done OK so far, but to this point he’s getting out-recruited by Kim English. I'm assuming you've dropped whatever nonsense "we should not recruit Garwey Dual because Providence is in the same conference" objections you had when I brought him up three weeks ago? Kim English walked into a full cupboard of Ed Cooley's making and managed to keep most of the cupboard because the NCAA is going to deny waivers to second time transfers. If Hopkins and Carter were in play and they could get waivers, things would be much different, and our situation would possibly be marketably different. Ed Cooley walked into a complete sheetshow of Patrick Ewing's making and has nailed down four slots for next year, 3 of them who are using their key transfer to come over to us. Dual is a nice-to-have no matter his talent level - year two is when I'd expect us to start to become competitive, and Dual will be testing the NBA draft or portalling, so he doesn't matter at this point. I'd hope we try to end things on a cordial note and keep in touch. |
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Post by suicideslushpuppie on Apr 13, 2023 16:13:31 GMT -5
Well that sucks.
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Post by thedragon on Apr 13, 2023 16:34:49 GMT -5
I like Dual as well. But he's getting a bit overhyped here. He is a player that thinks he is a day 1 starter but likely will take some time to grow his game into his measurables. He was a blip on the radar offensively in recent hs tourneys. Tremendous upside tho. I wouldn't be shocked at all if Cooley took a more "need to prove it first" approach with Dual and NIL. He's someone I would've loved to have long term. But he's not a short term starting college player in my book.
It would be hard to imagine Dual getting minutes over Epps or Brumbaugh. Epps is a proven high major D1 college starter and Brumbaugh was a similarly ranked recruit that had a year to practice and focus on development against a final 4 quality team.
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 13, 2023 16:49:29 GMT -5
I like Dual as well. But he's getting a bit overhyped here. He is a player that thinks he is a day 1 starter but likely will take some time to grow his game into his measurables. He was a blip on the radar offensively in recent hs tourneys. Tremendous upside tho. I wouldn't be shocked at all if Cooley took a more "need to prove it first" approach with Dual and NIL. He's someone I would've loved to have long term. But he's not a short term starting college player in my book. It would be hard to imagine Dual getting minutes over Epps or Brumbaugh. Epps is a proven high major D1 college starter and Brumbaugh was a similarly ranked recruit that had a year to practice and focus on development against a final 4 quality team. How was Brumbaugh “similarly ranked” to Dual? |
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Post by TC on Apr 13, 2023 16:51:53 GMT -5
Again - how are we a match for a potential one and done at this point? The problem with Ewing is that he didn't do any long term roster building and tried to shake the snow globe every season. Ed Cooley is doing the long term roster building, and Dual isn't a long term piece.
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Post by thedragon on Apr 13, 2023 16:53:01 GMT -5
I like Dual as well. But he's getting a bit overhyped here. He is a player that thinks he is a day 1 starter but likely will take some time to grow his game into his measurables. He was a blip on the radar offensively in recent hs tourneys. Tremendous upside tho. I wouldn't be shocked at all if Cooley took a more "need to prove it first" approach with Dual and NIL. He's someone I would've loved to have long term. But he's not a short term starting college player in my book. It would be hard to imagine Dual getting minutes over Epps or Brumbaugh. Epps is a proven high major D1 college starter and Brumbaugh was a similarly ranked recruit that had a year to practice and focus on development against a final 4 quality team. How was Brumbaugh “similarly ranked” to Dual? 247 sports had Brumbaugh at 89. Dual at 83 currently. I'd call that similarly ranked. |
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 13, 2023 16:53:52 GMT -5
How was Brumbaugh “similarly ranked” to Dual? 247 sports had Brumbaugh at 89. Dual at 83 currently. I'd call that similarly ranked. So you’re only going to look at one ranking system rather than RSCI? |
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 13, 2023 16:56:37 GMT -5
Again - how are we a match for a potential one and done at this point? The problem with Ewing is that he didn't do any long term roster building and tried to shake the snow globe every season. Ed Cooley is doing the long term roster building, and Dual isn't a long term piece. If we didn’t want Dual, why did we just have him on campus for an official visit? Heath is nothing special and Brumbaugh is completely unproven. Do you really think Dual couldn’t play over those two? Plus, we could always go three guards with Dual’s size. Hate to break it to you, but Dontrez Styles is not good enough to play significant minutes ahead of Dual. |
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Post by thedragon on Apr 13, 2023 16:56:55 GMT -5
247 sports had Brumbaugh at 89. Dual at 83 currently. I'd call that similarly ranked. So you’re only going to look at one ranking system rather than RSCI? So we're clear, that means I was correct? This was fun boya. See you for next week's gripe. |
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 13, 2023 17:22:56 GMT -5
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Post by TC on Apr 13, 2023 17:24:04 GMT -5
Which part of "Garwey Dual won't be at the same school for 2024-2025, but Rowan Brumbaugh will be" is hard to understand?
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