EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 19, 2019 14:49:49 GMT -5
Very good look for St. John's
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 19, 2019 15:34:29 GMT -5
Is the bus there for Cole’s announcement in NYC? 😉
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 19, 2019 17:28:42 GMT -5
Lol...All 3 were being considered by Mullin to replace Abdelmassih
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 19, 2019 17:55:45 GMT -5
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 19, 2019 17:59:19 GMT -5
BIG EAST Conference on cleanup duty!
If the interview was done under truth Serum...
Fanta: Why did you select Coach Anderson?
Cragg: I was running out of options...
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 19, 2019 18:48:58 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 19, 2019 18:56:59 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 19, 2019 18:58:24 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaSpirit on Apr 19, 2019 19:49:14 GMT -5
I think this is a high quality hire for many reasons:
1) Serious experience running basketball programs in high-major Power-5 conferences. Perhaps the most key point of the book Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell is the statistic that shows it takes a massive number of hours dedicated to a particular job to master that job. On average, more time results in more mastery. Running a power conference basketball program is a unique job unto itself.
2) Success at the the major level: he took 3 different programs to the NCAA tourney 3 times, and had a strong winning percentage. Nolan Richardson is in the Hall of Fame with a WP of .697 and record of 389-169 in 17 seasons at Arkansas. In 18 seasons, Anderson is 369-200 and .648 WP. Porter Moser’s WP is .530. Danny Hurley is .578 and Bobby Hurley is .596. And Bobby Hurley has only coached 6 seasons, so it’s a smaller sample and thus a less reliable indicator of what he will do in the long-term. Most thought JT3 was a great coach after his first few seasons at GT, but time told a different truth. Hurley might turn out to be great, but he might not. Anderson has an 18 year proven track record.
Anderson’s winning percentage is also strong given that he plays a tough out of conference schedule, and given that he didn’t have a lot of years at each school on average. The first 3 years at any new school are typically going to have weak seasons on average for a variety of reasons: a) players learning your system for the first time; b) some players have transferred or decided not to come, which has an effect for as many as four years. c) you have players who were not recruited for your system/style of play; d) some of your time in year one is spent just learning the new school, the new neighborhood you live in, setting up your new living space, etc. which is less time available for building the team.
For example, at Arkansas, in his first year they finished 9th in conference, then 7th, then 5th, then 2nd. After his first 3 years, they finished in the top 3 of the conference in three of the last 5 years. If Anderson was there for 17 years and played the same SOS as Richardson, I bet he'd have as high of a WP. Arkansas is delusional to be thinking they should be regularly competing for a national title, and to fire Anderson. They have less of a chance than St. J’s for that.
If seven years from now, Anderson has gotten SJ into the top 3 of the Big East in three out of five years, St. J would be delusional to fire him on the basis that Arkansas used of not being competitive enough with the best programs. For overall perspective, consider that Louie C didn’t finish in the top 25 in 5 of his last 6 years … nor in 9 of his first 10 years. If you are not a 6 seed or higher, you’re generally not seriously contending to win the title. But of course it didn’t mean Louie should have been fired. Rollie M only finished in the top 25 ranking in 2 out of about 28 years of coaching. His WP was .562, almost a full point lower than Anderson’s.
At Arkansas and Missouri and UAB, you have less of a talent pool to recruit from in two ways: geographically NY-NJ-CT has more talent than Arkansas has, which only has 3 million people in the whole state. More importantly, your talent pool nation-wide is larger because many kids would rather go to school in New York City that Arkansas. Would you rather play in Arkansas or at Madison Square Garden. Those things matter to a fair number of high school kids. The same things that attract massive numbers of people to want to move to New York are also attractive to high school kids, probably even more so because kids that age have a yearning to experience the world … and NYC is a prime way to do that.
His last 18 years have been far more successful than SJ has been the last 18 years. Going to the tourney every other year and having a Sweet 16 and Elite 8 are a lot better than SJs last 18 years. It’s plenty possible that he can do better at SJ and NYC than he did at those places.
3) A lot of experience in the NCAA tourney. He has taken his own teams to the Sweet 16 and Elite 8. He has also been a coach on two teams that went to the finals. Knowing how to navigate the tourney physically and mentally is very useful.
4) Up tempo style of play is appealing to recruits and to fans. The 40 minutes of hell defense is appealing too.
5) He appears to be a person of integrity and a classy person.
6) He’s highly respected in the college basketball world. Check out what many people have said about him, including most of those who work in the upper tiers of div 1 hoops full-time (coaches, analysts, etc.). Those things convey he’s a high quality coach. And some of those people have influence on recruits and their high school (or AAU) coaches. Coaches and recruits will ask around to find out opinions on the coaches they’re considering going to. He will get positive recommendations.
That’s part of why the top level NYC coaches were showing their support at the press conference. And why the 3 players were there, and why Heron said that he's a great coach. Yes the players have not decided for sure, but the very fact they were standing behind him at the presser shows they are very seriously considering staying. If they don’t, I don't think it will be because of Anderson, but rather because they want to be at program that has a shot at a Final 4 in the next two years. But no matter what coach SJ brought in, that could happen.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 20, 2019 7:38:00 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 20, 2019 8:32:55 GMT -5
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Post by daveg023 on Apr 20, 2019 8:42:21 GMT -5
I agree with the sentiment that this was as good a hire as St John’s could have hoped for.
If you take the “Hurley” name out of the equation and just compare track record and experience, Anderson trumps him. Moser would have have been a disaster in my opinion. And Cluess I think could have been good, but the jump from Iona to St John’s would be a major unknown. He also has made his success on the backs of JUCOs and transfers with checkered pasts, and I’m not sure if that would work as well on this level.
Anderson should have St John’s at least at a Butler / Creighton level year in and year out, which is certainly better than they’ve been. As badly as they tried to botch this, I think the ultimate outcome is quite good for them.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 20, 2019 9:00:19 GMT -5
The coaching search will soon be forgotten. Really, I just want the Hoyas to be good. I have lost interest in the conference over the years with all of the team shuffle.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 20, 2019 10:34:10 GMT -5
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Post by wponds on Apr 20, 2019 17:21:51 GMT -5
Anderson's one of 5 active coaches with 15+ years of experience while never having a losing season (Few, Boehime, Izzo, Roy Williams). Solid hire considering everything else that went down the last week or so
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 20, 2019 17:29:52 GMT -5
Justin Simon taking pics too?
Interesting...
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Post by daveg023 on Apr 20, 2019 18:48:50 GMT -5
Justin Simon taking pics too? Interesting... Assuming everyone stays (sans Ponds), with their incoming transfers they should be a pretty decent middle of the pack team next year. Things looked like 2-16, 3-15 at its worst not long ago.
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Post by bamahoya11 on Apr 20, 2019 20:06:19 GMT -5
My first college basketball game was on Birmingham's south side watching Mike Anderson's UAB squad take on St. Louis. UAB won by 20. Those days, they were called the "fastest 40 minutes in basketball" back then, were some of my favorite memories.
Anderson is a very solid coach. I think he will succeed at St. John's. Look forward to seeing him now in Big East play.
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Post by tribeninerhoya on Apr 20, 2019 21:26:17 GMT -5
My first college basketball game was on Birmingham's south side watching Mike Anderson's UAB squad take on St. Louis. UAB won by 20. Those days, they were called the "fastest 40 minutes in basketball" back then, were some of my favorite memories. Anderson is a very solid coach. I think he will succeed at St. John's. Look forward to seeing him now in Big East play. People too often deny the basketball pedigree of schools like UAB, WKU, Charlotte, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2019 6:57:33 GMT -5
My first college basketball game was on Birmingham's south side watching Mike Anderson's UAB squad take on St. Louis. UAB won by 20. Those days, they were called the "fastest 40 minutes in basketball" back then, were some of my favorite memories. Anderson is a very solid coach. I think he will succeed at St. John's. Look forward to seeing him now in Big East play. Was that back when UAB had a backcourt named “Peanut Butter & Jelly” or is my old man memory misremembering?
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