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Post by EtomicB on Apr 8, 2019 19:52:28 GMT -5
This would be tremendous for the conference, if Hurley steps in for Mullin. I agree, either way, St. John's should make a decision sooner than later...
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 8, 2019 20:00:04 GMT -5
AD forced him out by not extending Mullins contract. Hard to recruit without any contract security. Tells recruits that of there is a chance you will be going thru a coaching change if you commit there. My opinion won't be popular here but I'm one who thought that Mullin did a good job this season with a flawed roster. Ironically on the day he's competing for the national championship, the loss of Tariq Owens as a grad transfer to Texas Tech really limited St. John's in reaching their full potential. Just never had the size to compete and battle inside and team's like DePaul, Providence, Georgetown and others took full advantage. Also quietly the transfer of Mickey Dixon during the season took away the little depth this team had. Duke taking care of Duke. Former Duke assistant AD taking care of former Duke PG. Not sure Hurley will be a significant upgrade...
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 8, 2019 20:09:38 GMT -5
I think Tim Cluess (former St. John's player) of Iona would be a much better basketball hire. Not as "sexy" a hire as Hurley but a much much better coach...
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Post by njhoya78 on Apr 8, 2019 20:20:17 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 20:38:15 GMT -5
Between this and Pearl, I'm having a week.
Honestly - it's an era that never should've happened in the first place. I don't think it gets better any time soon unless they luck out with the new hire (or spend piles of cash).
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 8, 2019 20:44:34 GMT -5
Coaching issues aside, I think Mullin deserved better than to be forced out by the athletic director. If Lee Reed did this we wouldn't hear the end of it. Redmen fans think Hurley is signed sealed and delivered, but they can't outbid a Pac-12 team when all is said and done.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 8, 2019 20:57:53 GMT -5
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 8, 2019 21:00:23 GMT -5
Is the St. John’s gig that attractive? I guess for a large pile of cash, it might be. 😎👍🏻
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 8, 2019 21:06:32 GMT -5
I think Tim Cluess (former St. John's player) of Iona would be a much better basketball hire. Not as "sexy" a hire as Hurley but a much much better coach...
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 8, 2019 21:27:27 GMT -5
Is the St. John’s gig that attractive? I guess for a large pile of cash, it might be. 😎👍🏻 For the coach who is finally able to bring SJU back, yes - it will be a very attractive gig. Big time, WINNING D1 basketball in NYC? Especially if the coach has NYC roots -- actually, the coach MUST have NYC roots to make a go of it there. It won't be easy. Hurley coming home and getting the NYC area basketball community behind him? The Big East needs SJU to succeed Hope they score a winner. I think we can assume the AD already has his next coach lined up.
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 8, 2019 21:33:25 GMT -5
Here is what Cragg said and what he meant:
St. John’s athletic director Mike Cragg: “Let me be clear and I said from the start, Coach Mullin is our head coach [for the moment] and we are not [officially] looking for another head coach[yet].”
He didn't say anything forward looking - about Mullin being there for the long haul, they would work together to build SJU, etc....
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Post by seaweed on Apr 8, 2019 21:37:20 GMT -5
Is the St. John’s gig that attractive? I guess for a large pile of cash, it might be. 😎👍🏻 For the coach who is finally able to bring SJU back, yes - it will be a very attractive gig. Big time, WINNING D1 basketball in NYC? Especially if the coach has NYC roots -- actually, the coach MUST have NYC roots to make a go of it there. It won't be easy. Hurley coming home and getting the NYC area basketball community behind him? The Big East needs SJU to succeed Hope they score a winner. I think we can assume the AD already has his next coach lined up. Hate to get legally, parsy, and whatnot, but your post is 100% right and jives with the Crag's earlier statement: "Mullin is our coach." = yup, he is. "We are not looking" - yup, cause we already know. I marvel that SJU is so far gone from elite that people question whether it is even a good gig - good lord, King of NY Hoops is the potential, and if you don't see what that can mean... well, sorry then.
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Post by wponds on Apr 8, 2019 21:48:42 GMT -5
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Post by daveg023 on Apr 8, 2019 22:14:56 GMT -5
It’s probably about right as that means we are the 44-48 range, though I’d like to think we could crack the Top 40 and be on a little more solid footing come selection Sunday. BE will be a bear though...
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 8, 2019 22:17:58 GMT -5
Well it would be epic!
But we gonna be better than an 11 seed.
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Post by njhoya78 on Apr 8, 2019 23:41:34 GMT -5
Syracuse doesn't make the NCAAs next year. Book it.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 9, 2019 0:22:55 GMT -5
I think Tim Cluess (former St. John's player) of Iona would be a much better basketball hire. Not as "sexy" a hire as Hurley but a much much better coach... If Francesa is agreeing with me, I may want to change my mind. That guy is completely looney. Hey I guess even a broken clock is right twice a day....
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 9, 2019 1:13:42 GMT -5
Jeff Goodman is a flat out JACKA$$! It's comments like that and his attack on Coach Ewing and others is why he's on Stadium and not at FS1, espn, CBS, or even NBC Sports network. College programs across the country have closed the door on him interms of access. The St. John's job is extremely difficult. You don't have a great facilities and campus life so they try and sell the city and MSG. Now they gotta start from scratch. That's a 4-5 year turnaround minimum for anyone outside of a coaching legend. You get to year 4 off a complete rebuild (Coach Lavin left absolutely no talent on the roster) reaching the tournament, with Mullin having a good core returning, finally recruited some depth, and the AD trips up the program 80% of the way to completing the rebuild. The AD probably has no choice but to hire a Duke guy as other quality candidates may be leary of taking the job and having the AD pull the plug on them during their rebuild. Say what you want about Mullin but he improved St. John's win totals each season culminating with a tournament bid and then gets burned by the new A.D. If your quality coach but not a Duke guy, you going to trust that A.D.? If he does bring in Hurley. As a potential freshman recruit would you trust him to be there by the time you graduated. If Hurley takes the job, it will be his third school in six years. Expect multiple transfers, more decommitments and possibly some unexpected players going pro. Good luck St. John's in your next tournament appearance in 3 years or so and as soon as Hurley gets it going somewhat at St. John's, he will look to jump ship to the next best available pay day and St. John's will have to start this process all over again...
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Post by daveg023 on Apr 9, 2019 6:22:36 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 9, 2019 7:17:09 GMT -5
The St. John's job is extremely difficult. You don't have a great facilities and campus life so they try and sell the city and MSG. Now they gotta start from scratch. That's a 4-5 year turnaround minimum for anyone outside of a coaching legend. You get to year 4 off a complete rebuild (Coach Lavin left absolutely no talent on the roster) reaching the tournament, with Mullin having a good core returning, finally recruited some depth, and the AD trips up the program 80% of the way to completing the rebuild. It's not as daunting as it may appear. St. John's isn't exactly a vacation spot but Seton Hall has even less than St. John's and they seem able to compete; and yes, it's easier to sell MSG to recruits than games in Newark with the upper half of the arena tarped off. St. John's enjoys the unusually loyal support of the local sports press and the largest alumni base on the conference, but it's a base that has been burned out by a quarter century of bad hires and poor leadership. Given that Hurley would be a short term hire, I'm not convinced that he's just another Steve Lavin-type choice at this point.
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