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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Jul 15, 2020 15:59:39 GMT -5
ESPN says its Memphis: "Moussa Cisse, the No. 24 prospect in the ESPN Class of 2020, has committed to play for the Memphis Tigers, he told ESPN on Wednesday. "Coach Penny Hardaway is a legend and can help me develop my game and take it to the next level," Cisse told ESPN. "He has a lot of influence in the league. I've been in Memphis for a year now and everyone is telling me to stay. With all this stuff we're facing with the pandemic, I didn't get to go visit any other schools except Florida State. I'm getting a lot of love from the fans." Cisse picked Memphis over scholarship offers from Kentucky, LSU, Florida State, Georgia and Georgetown. He was originally scheduled to commit in early June but decided to push back his decision out of respect to the Black Lives Matter movement." www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/29468237/no-24-rated-prospect-moussa-cisse-commits-memphis-basketballInteresting response. Oh well.
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Post by RBHoya on Jul 15, 2020 16:02:55 GMT -5
I can understand people who suggest that we should take some shots at a few big fish each class. But a recruitment that was trending L$U for a while and then suddenly took a late turn for Memphi$ is the kind of recruitment that we never stood a chance in. I know allegations of paying players are commonplace on college basketball message boards, but the way this one played out is as egregious as it gets. Even listing us was farcical.
The fact that we weren't able to sniff out that this was going to be "one of those kinds of recruitments" early on and continued to pour energy into it is regrettable, though how regrettable depends on what (if any) you think the opportunity costs of pursuing Cisse were. Personally, I am less concerned that Patrick and Kirby spent the time flying to meet him in Memphis some months back and presumably invested a lot of time into calling and texting him ever since--that in and of itself probably didn't cost us any other recruits. But I do think it's further circumstantial evidence that points to something that many of us are afraid of, which is that the people running the program right now don't have a coherent and viable recruiting strategy. There are several other pieces of circumstantial evidence that point in the same direction that don't need to be rehashed here. If people want to continue to give the current staff the benefit of the doubt that's their call, but I think the recruiting results more or less speak for themselves. It feels like if we keep doing the same thing recruiting-wise, and next year's team struggles as much as many predict, it's going to be even harder to dig out of this current hole.
A change in recruiting strategy--and/or a shakeup in who is doing the recruiting for us--would be a positive development, IMHO. Maybe there's a learning curve that Patrick needed to go through, maybe some of the kids we've landed will turn out to be better than their rankings, maybe we're better off without some of these me-first guys. That's all reasonable. But how long are we going to keep the same group doing the same things before we consider that maybe it isn't working? Recruiting isn't a lottery--it's not just, "hey let's offer most of the kids in the top 25 each year and eventually our number will come up." We are ice cold on the trail right now, and we need a shift or shakeup of some kind to get a little positive momentum. Otherwise we might as well just cut to the chase and take commitments from a few unranked kids from SEC and B1G country like we did last year, because that's where we'll end up again in 2021.
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Post by DudeSlade on Jul 15, 2020 16:33:05 GMT -5
I can understand people who suggest that we should take some shots at a few big fish each class. But a recruitment that was trending L$U for a while and then suddenly took a late turn for Memphi$ is the kind of recruitment that we never stood a chance in. I know allegations of paying players are commonplace on college basketball message boards, but the way this one played out is as egregious as it gets. Even listing us was farcical. The fact that we weren't able to sniff out that this was going to be "one of those kinds of recruitments" early on and continued to pour energy into it is regrettable, though how regrettable depends on what (if any) you think the opportunity costs of pursuing Cisse were. Personally, I am less concerned that Patrick and Kirby spent the time flying to meet him in Memphis some months back and presumably invested a lot of time into calling and texting him ever since--that in and of itself probably didn't cost us any other recruits. But I do think it's further circumstantial evidence that points to something that many of us are afraid of, which is that the people running the program right now don't have a coherent and viable recruiting strategy. There are several other pieces of circumstantial evidence that point in the same direction that don't need to be rehashed here. If people want to continue to give the current staff the benefit of the doubt that's their call, but I think the recruiting results more or less speak for themselves. It feels like if we keep doing the same thing recruiting-wise, and next year's team struggles as much as many predict, it's going to be even harder to dig out of this current hole. A change in recruiting strategy--and/or a shakeup in who is doing the recruiting for us--would be a positive development, IMHO. Maybe there's a learning curve that Patrick needed to go through, maybe some of the kids we've landed will turn out to be better than their rankings, maybe we're better off without some of these me-first guys. That's all reasonable. But how long are we going to keep the same group doing the same things before we consider that maybe it isn't working? Recruiting isn't a lottery--it's not just, "hey let's offer most of the kids in the top 25 each year and eventually our number will come up." We are ice cold on the trail right now, and we need a shift or shakeup of some kind to get a little positive momentum. Otherwise we might as well just cut to the chase and take commitments from a few unranked kids from SEC and B1G country like we did last year, because that's where we'll end up again in 2021. Realistically, is there any sense of how many are "one of those kinds of recruitments"? I honestly don't have a feel for if this is a minority of very high profile recruitments or a majority of recruiting at high majors (I'm assuming most mid-majors can't play this game, but maybe I'm wrong). Secondly, if we were to go out and get an assistant coach that could just transform our recruiting, any thoughts as to who that would be? I've seen situations where a program said we'll pay whatever it takes to get the very best recruiter in our conference and they totally changed the trajectory. It seems that Pat puts a ton of energy into recruiting and we always joke about getting named to the top 5 or whatever, so we are doing something right, but we aren't winning them very often as you say. With the right recruiting ace next to him, maybe that could change.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2020 16:36:22 GMT -5
I'm kind of glad we didn't get him.
Because if by some minor miracle we had... you know there wouldn't have a been a season.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 15, 2020 16:57:49 GMT -5
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Post by hoyainla on Jul 15, 2020 18:40:14 GMT -5
I can understand people who suggest that we should take some shots at a few big fish each class. But a recruitment that was trending L$U for a while and then suddenly took a late turn for Memphi$ is the kind of recruitment that we never stood a chance in. I know allegations of paying players are commonplace on college basketball message boards, but the way this one played out is as egregious as it gets. Even listing us was farcical. The fact that we weren't able to sniff out that this was going to be "one of those kinds of recruitments" early on and continued to pour energy into it is regrettable, though how regrettable depends on what (if any) you think the opportunity costs of pursuing Cisse were. Personally, I am less concerned that Patrick and Kirby spent the time flying to meet him in Memphis some months back and presumably invested a lot of time into calling and texting him ever since--that in and of itself probably didn't cost us any other recruits. But I do think it's further circumstantial evidence that points to something that many of us are afraid of, which is that the people running the program right now don't have a coherent and viable recruiting strategy. There are several other pieces of circumstantial evidence that point in the same direction that don't need to be rehashed here. If people want to continue to give the current staff the benefit of the doubt that's their call, but I think the recruiting results more or less speak for themselves. It feels like if we keep doing the same thing recruiting-wise, and next year's team struggles as much as many predict, it's going to be even harder to dig out of this current hole. A change in recruiting strategy--and/or a shakeup in who is doing the recruiting for us--would be a positive development, IMHO. Maybe there's a learning curve that Patrick needed to go through, maybe some of the kids we've landed will turn out to be better than their rankings, maybe we're better off without some of these me-first guys. That's all reasonable. But how long are we going to keep the same group doing the same things before we consider that maybe it isn't working? Recruiting isn't a lottery--it's not just, "hey let's offer most of the kids in the top 25 each year and eventually our number will come up." We are ice cold on the trail right now, and we need a shift or shakeup of some kind to get a little positive momentum. Otherwise we might as well just cut to the chase and take commitments from a few unranked kids from SEC and B1G country like we did last year, because that's where we'll end up again in 2021. We keep getting dragged along because he is Patrick Ewing. We would not be on these lists if our coach was pretty much anyone else. The parents/handlers of these players were probably big Ewing fans or at least are enamored by his fame. The longer we stay on the list the more times they get to speak to a Top 50 all time NBA player. I don't care who you are it's pretty cool when Patrick Ewing keeps calling you so why would you stop that until you have to. Patrick needs to realize what is going on here but he probably thinks these guys would be silly to go player for anyone else other than him. His momentum is gone and it showed big time in this class. We shot for the stars and picked up lesser knowns outside of Sibley. From a strategy point of view the current way is a disaster. We are machine gunning offers to everyone with a pulse. The top guys will keep us around for the reason mentioned above. The guys in the range we should be focusing on don't want to commit and get stuck behind someone better. They also don't feel as important with our robo offer effort. These guys want to feel wanted and valued like anyone else. How can you convince a player they are your guy when you offered 20 other players at their position? So what happens is we miss out on the mid range and end up getting the guys who we are their best offer. It's time to pick out a few handful of guys in that midrange and really focus on them going forward. If they fail transfers and guys at the bottom will always be there to pick up late because when your offer is that much better than the next one you are going to win more often than not. Forget about the 1 and dones. They aren't program builders anyways.
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Post by RBHoya on Jul 15, 2020 19:16:40 GMT -5
I can understand people who suggest that we should take some shots at a few big fish each class. But a recruitment that was trending L$U for a while and then suddenly took a late turn for Memphi$ is the kind of recruitment that we never stood a chance in. I know allegations of paying players are commonplace on college basketball message boards, but the way this one played out is as egregious as it gets. Even listing us was farcical. The fact that we weren't able to sniff out that this was going to be "one of those kinds of recruitments" early on and continued to pour energy into it is regrettable, though how regrettable depends on what (if any) you think the opportunity costs of pursuing Cisse were. Personally, I am less concerned that Patrick and Kirby spent the time flying to meet him in Memphis some months back and presumably invested a lot of time into calling and texting him ever since--that in and of itself probably didn't cost us any other recruits. But I do think it's further circumstantial evidence that points to something that many of us are afraid of, which is that the people running the program right now don't have a coherent and viable recruiting strategy. There are several other pieces of circumstantial evidence that point in the same direction that don't need to be rehashed here. If people want to continue to give the current staff the benefit of the doubt that's their call, but I think the recruiting results more or less speak for themselves. It feels like if we keep doing the same thing recruiting-wise, and next year's team struggles as much as many predict, it's going to be even harder to dig out of this current hole. A change in recruiting strategy--and/or a shakeup in who is doing the recruiting for us--would be a positive development, IMHO. Maybe there's a learning curve that Patrick needed to go through, maybe some of the kids we've landed will turn out to be better than their rankings, maybe we're better off without some of these me-first guys. That's all reasonable. But how long are we going to keep the same group doing the same things before we consider that maybe it isn't working? Recruiting isn't a lottery--it's not just, "hey let's offer most of the kids in the top 25 each year and eventually our number will come up." We are ice cold on the trail right now, and we need a shift or shakeup of some kind to get a little positive momentum. Otherwise we might as well just cut to the chase and take commitments from a few unranked kids from SEC and B1G country like we did last year, because that's where we'll end up again in 2021. Realistically, is there any sense of how many are "one of those kinds of recruitments"? I honestly don't have a feel for if this is a minority of very high profile recruitments or a majority of recruiting at high majors (I'm assuming most mid-majors can't play this game, but maybe I'm wrong). Secondly, if we were to go out and get an assistant coach that could just transform our recruiting, any thoughts as to who that would be? I've seen situations where a program said we'll pay whatever it takes to get the very best recruiter in our conference and they totally changed the trajectory. It seems that Pat puts a ton of energy into recruiting and we always joke about getting named to the top 5 or whatever, so we are doing something right, but we aren't winning them very often as you say. With the right recruiting ace next to him, maybe that could change. I am by no means the most qualified person to answer either question. As far as who is getting paid and how often, I don't think it's happening in the majority of cases, and it usually has more to do with the people around a player than the player himself. I don't think UNC was dropping a bag of cash for Cole Anthony or his family last year when we lost that recruitment, for example. But some coaches, like Will Wade, have been caught red-handed doing it. It certainly happens and it's not good for the sport when bribes are happening under the table like that, but it's not as if it's so rampant that Georgetown can't compete. Neither Jay Wright at Villanova nor Tony Bennett at UVA is making cash payments to handlers and they have 3 of the last 4 national titles. About who would be upgrades in assistant positions, others who are more tied in to the local scene may have better rolodexes for that kind of thing. I firmly believed that we should have hired Tony Skinn for the role that Waheed was retained in back in 2017. Skinn is now recruiting the area for Seton Hall. Could we steal him away? Is being an assistant at Georgetown a better job than being an assistant at Seton Hall? A decade ago that question would have been laughable, but today it feels like a lateral move. I've heard Doug Martin mentioned, who was once hired at Villanova and quickly let go because of a resume discrepancy, but who was tied in to Team Takeover. When Rob Ehsan was let go as head coach at UAB I thought he might make a great hire as an assistant if we wanted to go in a different direction--his teams were pretty good there (and strong defensively) and he was a respected recruiter at Maryland and VA Tech before he got that head job. Obviously there's been some support lately for an alumni hire. Honestly, anybody who is young and energetic and who understands how kids today think and communicate would be a breath of fresh air. If it's someone that is well-liked and has some connections with area high school or AAU coaches, all the better. But some kind of change is needed. It's really unfortunate that we appear to be standing pat (no pun intended) given the results we've had. I liken us to a college football team that has failed to make a bowl in a new coach's first 3 seasons--there's a near 100% chance that that head coach would have to sacrifice either his offensive coordinator or his defensive coordinator or both. Maybe it's related to COVID and projected budget issues and things along those lines, but it's just hard for me to see things dramatically turning around in the short-term without some sort of external stimulus. We are ice cold on the recruiting trail right now, and while I have no animus toward any of the 4 men doing recruiting for us at the moment, I don't think they are the kids of elite salesmen we need to win over players who were born in 2003, 2004 or 2005. We need to find someone in the mold of a young Kevin Broadus, and we need it soon.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 15, 2020 20:40:29 GMT -5
But some kind of change is needed. It's really unfortunate that we appear to be standing pat (no pun intended) given the results we've had. I liken us to a college football team that has failed to make a bowl in a new coach's first 3 seasons--there's a near 100% chance that that head coach would have to sacrifice either his offensive coordinator or his defensive coordinator or both. Maybe it's related to COVID and projected budget issues and things along those lines, but it's just hard for me to see things dramatically turning around in the short-term without some sort of external stimulus. We are ice cold on the recruiting trail right now, and while I have no animus toward any of the 4 men doing recruiting for us at the moment, I don't think they are the kids of elite salesmen we need to win over players who were born in 2003, 2004 or 2005. We need to find someone in the mold of a young Kevin Broadus, and we need it soon. Pressure on coaches recalls the old joke: "What do you call an SEC coach who misses back to back bowl seasons? The next coach at Arkansas." In reality, you don't even get four years at the big programs anymore. Joe Moorhead, the ex-Georgetown assistant who was named head coach at Mississippi State, went 14-12 in two years. And he's gone! Even Vanderbilt recycles coaches after six years, and Derrick Mason's cycle is about up. Darrell Royal finished first at Texas six times in seven years from 1968-75 with a national title. He goes 5-5-1 in 1976 and at the age of 52 is told by the school he is "retiring". Patrick Ewing is under no such pressure. John Thompson successfully built firewalls that prevented donors and/or alumni from exerting influence on the program, and with very few exceptions it has worked successfully for almost 50 years. Ewing gets more of a pass because of who he is and the fact that the fan base has simply been ground down over the last five years, but if any one else was 49-46 in three seasons and recruiting like Georgetown has, year four would be very problematic, much as it was for Ewing's peer, Chris Mullin. But with the prospects for a stable 2020-21 season dimming, Ewing doesn't have to hire younger, and there's no pressure to do so. By 2021-22, he'll have three 60 year olds on the staff.
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 15, 2020 21:48:30 GMT -5
By 2021-22, he'll have three 60 year olds on the staff. Whoa there Sonny, I am there now and I am in the PRIME of my career!!
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jul 15, 2020 22:47:25 GMT -5
I can understand people who suggest that we should take some shots at a few big fish each class. But a recruitment that was trending L$U for a while and then suddenly took a late turn for Memphi$ is the kind of recruitment that we never stood a chance in. I know allegations of paying players are commonplace on college basketball message boards, but the way this one played out is as egregious as it gets. Even listing us was farcical. The fact that we weren't able to sniff out that this was going to be "one of those kinds of recruitments" early on and continued to pour energy into it is regrettable, though how regrettable depends on what (if any) you think the opportunity costs of pursuing Cisse were. Personally, I am less concerned that Patrick and Kirby spent the time flying to meet him in Memphis some months back and presumably invested a lot of time into calling and texting him ever since--that in and of itself probably didn't cost us any other recruits. But I do think it's further circumstantial evidence that points to something that many of us are afraid of, which is that the people running the program right now don't have a coherent and viable recruiting strategy. There are several other pieces of circumstantial evidence that point in the same direction that don't need to be rehashed here. If people want to continue to give the current staff the benefit of the doubt that's their call, but I think the recruiting results more or less speak for themselves. It feels like if we keep doing the same thing recruiting-wise, and next year's team struggles as much as many predict, it's going to be even harder to dig out of this current hole. A change in recruiting strategy--and/or a shakeup in who is doing the recruiting for us--would be a positive development, IMHO. Maybe there's a learning curve that Patrick needed to go through, maybe some of the kids we've landed will turn out to be better than their rankings, maybe we're better off without some of these me-first guys. That's all reasonable. But how long are we going to keep the same group doing the same things before we consider that maybe it isn't working? Recruiting isn't a lottery--it's not just, "hey let's offer most of the kids in the top 25 each year and eventually our number will come up." We are ice cold on the trail right now, and we need a shift or shakeup of some kind to get a little positive momentum. Otherwise we might as well just cut to the chase and take commitments from a few unranked kids from SEC and B1G country like we did last year, because that's where we'll end up again in 2021. I continue to be amazed by the ridiculous levels of assumption by posters on this sight. There is ZERO reporting of the staff even being incontact with Cisse for months. I've been told by some one with strong credibility that the staff was minimally involved once he announced he was going to reclass up. Cisse made ZERO sense for Georgetown in the 2020 class when they have three BIGs on the roster entering their sophomore year. Last year at this time people on here said it was ridiculous for the staff to have four BIGs on the roster. Well later we found out the staff planned to redshirt two of them. Cisse while talented is not a for sure one and done, as he has a lot of work to do to improve offensively, would have log jammed the front court and cause roster issues. The truth of the matter is no one on here knows for sure how involved the staff was and what kind of push they actually made. But if getting upset every time a prospect goes elsewhere or attacking the staff at every turn is your thing (cough DFW), by all means do you....
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Post by mdtd on Jul 16, 2020 13:01:39 GMT -5
I can understand people who suggest that we should take some shots at a few big fish each class. But a recruitment that was trending L$U for a while and then suddenly took a late turn for Memphi$ is the kind of recruitment that we never stood a chance in. I know allegations of paying players are commonplace on college basketball message boards, but the way this one played out is as egregious as it gets. Even listing us was farcical. The fact that we weren't able to sniff out that this was going to be "one of those kinds of recruitments" early on and continued to pour energy into it is regrettable, though how regrettable depends on what (if any) you think the opportunity costs of pursuing Cisse were. Personally, I am less concerned that Patrick and Kirby spent the time flying to meet him in Memphis some months back and presumably invested a lot of time into calling and texting him ever since--that in and of itself probably didn't cost us any other recruits. But I do think it's further circumstantial evidence that points to something that many of us are afraid of, which is that the people running the program right now don't have a coherent and viable recruiting strategy. There are several other pieces of circumstantial evidence that point in the same direction that don't need to be rehashed here. If people want to continue to give the current staff the benefit of the doubt that's their call, but I think the recruiting results more or less speak for themselves. It feels like if we keep doing the same thing recruiting-wise, and next year's team struggles as much as many predict, it's going to be even harder to dig out of this current hole. A change in recruiting strategy--and/or a shakeup in who is doing the recruiting for us--would be a positive development, IMHO. Maybe there's a learning curve that Patrick needed to go through, maybe some of the kids we've landed will turn out to be better than their rankings, maybe we're better off without some of these me-first guys. That's all reasonable. But how long are we going to keep the same group doing the same things before we consider that maybe it isn't working? Recruiting isn't a lottery--it's not just, "hey let's offer most of the kids in the top 25 each year and eventually our number will come up." We are ice cold on the trail right now, and we need a shift or shakeup of some kind to get a little positive momentum. Otherwise we might as well just cut to the chase and take commitments from a few unranked kids from SEC and B1G country like we did last year, because that's where we'll end up again in 2021. I continue to be amazed by the ridiculous levels of assumption by posters on this sight. There is ZERO reporting of the staff even being incontact with Cisse for months. I've been told by some one with strong credibility that the staff was minimally involved once he announced he was going to reclass up. Cisse made ZERO sense for Georgetown in the 2020 class when they have three BIGs on the roster entering their sophomore year. Last year at this time people on here said it was ridiculous for the staff to have four BIGs on the roster. Well later we found out the staff planned to redshirt two of them. Cisse while talented is not a for sure one and done, as he has a lot of work to do to improve offensively, would have log jammed the front court and cause roster issues. The truth of the matter is no one on here knows for sure how involved the staff was and what kind of push they actually made. But if getting upset every time a prospect goes elsewhere or attacking the staff at every turn is your thing (cough DFW), by all means do you.... Going after Javian Davis seems to make this line of thinking less true. We'd have four bigs on the roster with him.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jul 16, 2020 13:19:12 GMT -5
I continue to be amazed by the ridiculous levels of assumption by posters on this sight. There is ZERO reporting of the staff even being incontact with Cisse for months. I've been told by some one with strong credibility that the staff was minimally involved once he announced he was going to reclass up. Cisse made ZERO sense for Georgetown in the 2020 class when they have three BIGs on the roster entering their sophomore year. Last year at this time people on here said it was ridiculous for the staff to have four BIGs on the roster. Well later we found out the staff planned to redshirt two of them. Cisse while talented is not a for sure one and done, as he has a lot of work to do to improve offensively, would have log jammed the front court and cause roster issues. The truth of the matter is no one on here knows for sure how involved the staff was and what kind of push they actually made. But if getting upset every time a prospect goes elsewhere or attacking the staff at every turn is your thing (cough DFW), by all means do you.... Going after Javian Davis seems to make this line of thinking less true. We'd have four bigs on the roster with him. First we don't know how involved the staff is with Javian this second time around. Maybe Coach Kirby reached out just to touch base, test the water. Coach Kirby did develop a relationship with him over the years. Maybe Javian is listing Georgetown to announce to them "hey I'm interested and open to being recruited again". Some recruits these days include schools on their list that they want to here from or interested in. Some include schools that have shown minimal interest just to make their list look better. Secondly if Javian does indeed become a Hoya this time around, he wouldn't be able to play until 2021-2022 where as Cisse would be playing this season (if there is a season) creating a four player log jam in the middle. A lot could change a year from now when Javian becomes eligible. I will also admit I have no idea what kind of player Javian was this season at Alabama. Not sure what he did well or what he struggled with. So depending on how his game is evolving, that could tell more about his fit in 2021.
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Post by HamptonHoya on Jul 17, 2020 6:46:51 GMT -5
I can understand people who suggest that we should take some shots at a few big fish each class. But a recruitment that was trending L$U for a while and then suddenly took a late turn for Memphi$ is the kind of recruitment that we never stood a chance in. I know allegations of paying players are commonplace on college basketball message boards, but the way this one played out is as egregious as it gets. Even listing us was farcical. The fact that we weren't able to sniff out that this was going to be "one of those kinds of recruitments" early on and continued to pour energy into it is regrettable, though how regrettable depends on what (if any) you think the opportunity costs of pursuing Cisse were. Personally, I am less concerned that Patrick and Kirby spent the time flying to meet him in Memphis some months back and presumably invested a lot of time into calling and texting him ever since--that in and of itself probably didn't cost us any other recruits. But I do think it's further circumstantial evidence that points to something that many of us are afraid of, which is that the people running the program right now don't have a coherent and viable recruiting strategy. There are several other pieces of circumstantial evidence that point in the same direction that don't need to be rehashed here. If people want to continue to give the current staff the benefit of the doubt that's their call, but I think the recruiting results more or less speak for themselves. It feels like if we keep doing the same thing recruiting-wise, and next year's team struggles as much as many predict, it's going to be even harder to dig out of this current hole. A change in recruiting strategy--and/or a shakeup in who is doing the recruiting for us--would be a positive development, IMHO. Maybe there's a learning curve that Patrick needed to go through, maybe some of the kids we've landed will turn out to be better than their rankings, maybe we're better off without some of these me-first guys. That's all reasonable. But how long are we going to keep the same group doing the same things before we consider that maybe it isn't working? Recruiting isn't a lottery--it's not just, "hey let's offer most of the kids in the top 25 each year and eventually our number will come up." We are ice cold on the trail right now, and we need a shift or shakeup of some kind to get a little positive momentum. Otherwise we might as well just cut to the chase and take commitments from a few unranked kids from SEC and B1G country like we did last year, because that's where we'll end up again in 2021. I continue to be amazed by the ridiculous levels of assumption by posters on this sight. There is ZERO reporting of the staff even being incontact with Cisse for months. I've been told by some one with strong credibility that the staff was minimally involved once he announced he was going to reclass up. Cisse made ZERO sense for Georgetown in the 2020 class when they have three BIGs on the roster entering their sophomore year. Last year at this time people on here said it was ridiculous for the staff to have four BIGs on the roster. Well later we found out the staff planned to redshirt two of them. Cisse while talented is not a for sure one and done, as he has a lot of work to do to improve offensively, would have log jammed the front court and cause roster issues. The truth of the matter is no one on here knows for sure how involved the staff was and what kind of push they actually made. But if getting upset every time a prospect goes elsewhere or attacking the staff at every turn is your thing (cough DFW), by all means do you.... Thank you very much for this perspective. Sometimes we, as fans, get carried away with our beliefs and they do not align with the staff's. They know the needs of the squad better than any of us ever could, but we still come to this site to give our opinions stated as facts. This is a different conversation, but I believe we can all agree that the team played better with six players at the end of the season than any of us could have imagined. How often did we say, if we only had a rebounder, we could have won that game. Or our guys just ran out of gas with 10 minutes left or it would have been a different outcome. I believe the staff has addressed these needs. It goes without saying the current roster sees how they can be the missing piece the team needs. Hopefully we have a season, we have better results and more recruits see where they fit in. Whether that is Ryan or whomever.
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Post by lucky on Jul 17, 2020 10:48:20 GMT -5
Ok, he's gone to Memphi$, lock him up....oh lock it up
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 26, 2021 20:02:43 GMT -5
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Post by DoctorHoya on Apr 26, 2021 20:16:07 GMT -5
Think there will be any interest from our end?
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Post by blazers32 on Apr 26, 2021 21:55:33 GMT -5
Think there will be any interest from our end? probably so but we don't have anymore sports available. We have too many centers as it is right now.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 26, 2021 22:18:53 GMT -5
Think there will be any interest from our end? probably so but we don't have anymore sports available. We have too many centers as it is right now. I’d be willing to let one go for Cisse! 🤩
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Post by oldbigeast on Apr 27, 2021 5:46:39 GMT -5
Going through the last few pages of this thread and it is so much negative talk about the coaching staff and their recruiting ability and the overall strategy. Same staff and strategy just landed a top 20 recruiting class, including one of the 5 star players that posters said the staff shouldn't waste time pursuing. TTS
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Post by bigskyhoya on Apr 27, 2021 6:41:40 GMT -5
Going through the last few pages of this thread and it is so much negative talk about the coaching staff and their recruiting ability and the overall strategy. Same staff and strategy just landed a top 20 recruiting class, including one of the 5 star players that posters said the staff shouldn't waste time pursuing. TTS In fairness, it was mostly one poster whose recruiting mantra was don’t waste time on 5 stars. And that poster hasn’t suggested we should stop pursuing PBJ so perhaps the thinking has evolved with our recent recruiting success.
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