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Post by wponds on Dec 24, 2020 11:12:24 GMT -5
He had an off game yesterday and was way too predictable. But people don't just say "it takes centers longer to develop" for no reason. It takes time, patience, and hella reps. Although different styled players, guys like Tyrique Jones, Angel Delgado, heck even Jessie Govan weren't making their presence felt until their junior and senior years.
I understand the frustration of waiting for guys to meet their potential, but you gotta give the kid time
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Post by DudeSlade on Dec 24, 2020 12:37:08 GMT -5
I predicted ahead of the season that Qudus would make a Big East team. I believe in the promise of this kid. What I am struggling to understand and would love some help to understand is why he seems incapable of passing. He’s an almost literal blackhole.
I’ve watched most games this year and can barely recall a time the ball was thrown to him in the post that he passed it - every time no matter how many players surround him, no matter how bad the opportunity is, he tries to shoot or dribble it and will not give it up. It doesn’t seem to take a lot of development or court awareness to realize passing the ball once in a while could be a decent thing to do.
Our whole offense opens up if he passes even a couple times. The number of open looks available against Seton Hall (as in many of our games this year) when he got the ball in the post was quite large. Making that pass even just a few times a game also forces the defense not to double down so hard and makes his job easier. So I don’t blame Pat (unless he’s telling him not to pass) for going to the post in the half court when you have a player who’s routinely getting good position and can score it a good amount. It is maybe an older school approach but still works today to open up an offense if the player will pass at all (see Anthony Davis, Jokic, Nurkic, Gasol, et al).
I don’t mean to be disparaging the kid — he seems like a great kid and arguably has been our best or second best player this year and I expect he’ll someday have a chance to make the NBA — but I’d love if someone that understands big man development could help me understand why passing is so hard for him to develop.
If he could do that, my frustration with his game and level of development would go to almost zero. But passing seems so fundamentally simple.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Dec 24, 2020 14:05:52 GMT -5
I predicted ahead of the season that Qudus would make a Big East team. I believe in the promise of this kid. What I am struggling to understand and would love some help to understand is why he seems incapable of passing. He’s an almost literal blackhole. I’ve watched most games this year and can barely recall a time the ball was thrown to him in the post that he passed it - every time no matter how many players surround him, no matter how bad the opportunity is, he tries to shoot or dribble it and will not give it up. It doesn’t seem to take a lot of development or court awareness to realize passing the ball once in a while could be a decent thing to do. Our whole offense opens up if he passes even a couple times. The number of open looks available against Seton Hall (as in many of our games this year) when he got the ball in the post was quite large. Making that pass even just a few times a game also forces the defense not to double down so hard and makes his job easier. So I don’t blame Pat (unless he’s telling him not to pass) for going to the post in the half court when you have a player who’s routinely getting good position and can score it a good amount. It is maybe an older school approach but still works today to open up an offense if the player will pass at all (see Anthony Davis, Jokic, Nurkic, Gasol, et al). I don’t mean to be disparaging the kid — he seems like a great kid and arguably has been our best or second best player this year and I expect he’ll someday have a chance to make the NBA — but I’d love if someone that understands big man development could help me understand why passing is so hard for him to develop. If he could do that, my frustration with his game and level of development would go to almost zero. But passing seems so fundamentally simple. I think this is fair take on Q. Much more reasonable and rational than some of the others. Here’s my take: the kid was pretty darn raw coming in. He’s basically having to develop all semblance of discernible skill from the ground up. I agree he’s made some clear improvements on that front. It’s pretty apparent that passing is not one of them. Passing SEEMS fundamentally simple but it’s a skill that needs developing like any other skill, especially for a big man. Some guys take to it more naturally like Greg Monroe. Other guys, like Angel Delgado for example, take 3+ years to develop it. Delgado wasn’t much different than Q as an underclassman. He worked hard, and by the second half of year 3 into year 4, he turned into one of the better passing big men in the BE. In similar minutes per game, he went from .9 apg as a frosh to 2.8 as a senior (of course passing isn’t all about assists but it’s really the only quantifiable way to measure it outside of just watching guys pass the ball). Just as passing is a skill, so is shooting. It took guys like Trawick and Mosely the better part of their careers to become competent shooters. And I think we can all point to 4 year Hoyas, some on the current roster, who are STILL terrible passers. Sometimes certain skills are just harder to develop than others. For big men, passing is generally one of those skills, which is why good passing big men are so valuable and can do so much to run an offense (see Henry Sims). Give the kid some time. I think he’ll get there. He seems to be a really hard worker.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 24, 2020 14:08:45 GMT -5
He had an off game yesterday and was way too predictable. But people don't just say "it takes centers longer to develop" for no reason. It takes time, patience, and hella reps. Although different styled players, guys like Tyrique Jones, Angel Delgado, heck even Jessie Govan weren't making their presence felt until their junior and senior years. I understand the frustration of waiting for guys to meet their potential, but you gotta give the kid time Was that an off game? He played a MONSTER of an opponent, and still had a reasonably efficient 16 and 9. Many of our recent centers would have had like 6 and 6 against a guy that size. I thought it was a mediocre game, but understandable. I'll take it -- we've had far too many recent big men who dominate small teams but can't do anything against big, strong teams.
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Post by wponds on Dec 24, 2020 14:16:29 GMT -5
He had an off game yesterday and was way too predictable. But people don't just say "it takes centers longer to develop" for no reason. It takes time, patience, and hella reps. Although different styled players, guys like Tyrique Jones, Angel Delgado, heck even Jessie Govan weren't making their presence felt until their junior and senior years. I understand the frustration of waiting for guys to meet their potential, but you gotta give the kid time Was that an off game? He played a MONSTER of an opponent, and still had a reasonably efficient 16 and 9. Many of our recent centers would have had like 6 and 6 against a guy that size. I thought it was a mediocre game, but understandable. I'll take it -- we've had far too many recent big men who dominate small teams but can't do anything against big, strong teams. Oh I agree, I didn't mean that to say he was bad (he should be the least of our concerns right now). I just meant he wasn't quite as efficient as usual and is still growing his game
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Post by the_way on Dec 24, 2020 14:37:28 GMT -5
I predicted ahead of the season that Qudus would make a Big East team. I believe in the promise of this kid. What I am struggling to understand and would love some help to understand is why he seems incapable of passing. He’s an almost literal blackhole. I’ve watched most games this year and can barely recall a time the ball was thrown to him in the post that he passed it - every time no matter how many players surround him, no matter how bad the opportunity is, he tries to shoot or dribble it and will not give it up. It doesn’t seem to take a lot of development or court awareness to realize passing the ball once in a while could be a decent thing to do. Our whole offense opens up if he passes even a couple times. The number of open looks available against Seton Hall (as in many of our games this year) when he got the ball in the post was quite large. Making that pass even just a few times a game also forces the defense not to double down so hard and makes his job easier. So I don’t blame Pat (unless he’s telling him not to pass) for going to the post in the half court when you have a player who’s routinely getting good position and can score it a good amount. It is maybe an older school approach but still works today to open up an offense if the player will pass at all (see Anthony Davis, Jokic, Nurkic, Gasol, et al). I don’t mean to be disparaging the kid — he seems like a great kid and arguably has been our best or second best player this year and I expect he’ll someday have a chance to make the NBA — but I’d love if someone that understands big man development could help me understand why passing is so hard for him to develop. If he could do that, my frustration with his game and level of development would go to almost zero. But passing seems so fundamentally simple. I think this is fair take on Q. Much more reasonable and rational than some of the others. Here’s my take: the kid was pretty darn raw coming in. He’s basically having to develop all semblance of discernible skill from the ground up. I agree he’s made some clear improvements on that front. It’s pretty apparent that passing is not one of them. Passing SEEMS fundamentally simple but it’s a skill that needs developing like any other skill, especially for a big man. Some guys take to it more naturally like Greg Monroe. Other guys, like Angel Delgado for example, take 3+ years to develop it. Delgado wasn’t much different than Q as an underclassman. He worked hard, and by the second half of year 3 into year 4, he turned into one of the better passing big men in the BE. In similar minutes per game, he went from .9 apg as a frosh to 2.8 as a senior (of course passing isn’t all about assists but it’s really the only quantifiable way to measure it outside of just watching guys pass the ball). Just as passing is a skill, so is shooting. It took guys like Trawick and Mosely the better part of their careers to become competent shooters. And I think we can all point to 4 year Hoyas, some on the current roster, who are STILL terrible passers. Sometimes certain skills are just harder to develop than others. For big men, passing is generally one of those skills, which is why good passing big men are so valuable and can do so much to run an offense (see Henry Sims). Give the kid some time. I think he’ll get there. He seems to be a really hard worker. This
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Post by jester on Jan 8, 2021 20:13:55 GMT -5
Was thinking about this the last couple of games, a lot of possessions in games he seems intent on getting the ball in the hoop rather than taking what the D is giving him/passing back out. He seemed last game to at least change his moves a bit and less predictable, but 2 assists so far this season and a lot of forced shots is something that I hope we are working with him on - especially out of time outs where we try to get ball inside etc making sure he looks for his teammates.
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Post by the_way on Jan 8, 2021 20:21:49 GMT -5
He is work in progress no doubt. Like the progression of Q and Tim.
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Post by kbones17 on Jan 8, 2021 20:25:50 GMT -5
Qudus has to work for almost every bucket he gets. We need to run some cross screens to help him get some deep position.
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Post by dchoya72 on Jan 9, 2021 8:16:53 GMT -5
He is developing and it takes time. I hope he stays and takes in what Ewing is teaching. So many "bigs" come out of school early and dissappear. He should take the time to develop. At some point the game will slow down for him. He will know to pass the ball back out...how to re-position, and when to turn and face the basket!! We all need patience. Its hard, we want to see winning basketball
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Post by prhoya on Jan 9, 2021 10:27:04 GMT -5
He is developing and it takes time. I hope he stays and takes in what Ewing is teaching. Where would he go? Nigerian pro league? If he wants to sniff the NBA, he’s a four-year player. Sophomores Govan and Omer were head and shoulders above of where he is.
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Post by dchoya72 on Jan 9, 2021 11:21:38 GMT -5
He is developing and it takes time. I hope he stays and takes in what Ewing is teaching. Where would he go? Nigerian pro league? If he wants to sniff the NBA, he’s a four-year player. Sophomores Govan and Omer were head and shoulders above of where he is. No argument there!!
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Post by wponds on Jan 30, 2021 12:21:50 GMT -5
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Post by HometownHoya on Jan 30, 2021 12:23:32 GMT -5
Happy Birthday Q. Hopefully you get a Block Party, a double double and a W for your birthday.
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Post by seaweed on Jan 30, 2021 12:38:57 GMT -5
For your birthday, we got you Nate Watson's Lunch - eat that up! HBD Q.
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 7, 2021 16:46:22 GMT -5
Huge game from Q, would have broken 20 pts if the refs called Nova for fouls. Defending Nova is hard for any Center and I don't blame Q for Samuels having a career game shooting from 3...he's usually safe to leave relatively wide open.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 20, 2021 20:19:23 GMT -5
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 20, 2021 20:56:18 GMT -5
Had a tough game but didn't stop battling. Didn't get his primary move much today but definitely showed a couple of counters that hadn't been seen previously. Q has a bright future.
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Post by hoyaguy on Feb 20, 2021 22:42:27 GMT -5
Another double-double for the man Q and here’s to hopefully many more
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 20, 2021 23:01:45 GMT -5
Q did a mostly good job not forcing up too many contested shots inside.
I like him starting to step out for the 10-12 footer. Would like it even better if he started to hit a few😁
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