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Post by calhoya on Dec 23, 2020 21:12:07 GMT -5
Just don’t see the major step forward that was hoped for. One move and often short on the shot. No court awareness-when the ball comes in the offense stops and he never looks to kick out. Frustrating because the kick out is critical to ball movement and what little upside this offense has to work with.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 23, 2020 21:13:57 GMT -5
Just don’t see the major step forward that was hoped for. One move and often short on the shot. No court awareness-when the ball comes in the offense stops and he never looks to kick out. Frustrating because the kick out is critical to ball movement and what little upside this offense has to work with. Even though he had a bad game he still had 16 points and 13 rebounds
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Dec 23, 2020 21:25:25 GMT -5
Just don’t see the major step forward that was hoped for. One move and often short on the shot. No court awareness-when the ball comes in the offense stops and he never looks to kick out. Frustrating because the kick out is critical to ball movement and what little upside this offense has to work with. Even though he had a bad game he still had 16 points and 13 rebounds Yea I mean it wasn’t one of his better games but 16 and 13 when he’s dealing with Obiagu for most of the game isn’t that bad. He’s certainly not the reason we lost tonight. He clearly has a lot to work on still, but I think he’ll continue to progress, even if it’s not as quickly as some here had hoped.
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Post by hoyazeke on Dec 23, 2020 21:51:03 GMT -5
Even though he had a bad game he still had 16 points and 13 rebounds Yea I mean it wasn’t one of his better games but 16 and 13 when he’s dealing with Obiagu for most of the game isn’t that bad. He’s certainly not the reason we lost tonight. He clearly has a lot to work on still, but I think he’ll continue to progress, even if it’s not as quickly as some here had hoped. Obiagu is a stiff and y'all are making him out to be Russell. His last 3gms: 6-9-3, 0-2-2, and 6-2-1 I now understand why the coaches were raving over Timmy in the preseason. If your opponent does the same move everytime he gets the ball you will eventually figure out how to defend him. Either Ewing is a horrible coach or Q horrible student. Ewing should have this kid doing more than one move in year 2....
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Dec 23, 2020 21:59:40 GMT -5
Yea I mean it wasn’t one of his better games but 16 and 13 when he’s dealing with Obiagu for most of the game isn’t that bad. He’s certainly not the reason we lost tonight. He clearly has a lot to work on still, but I think he’ll continue to progress, even if it’s not as quickly as some here had hoped. Obiagu is a stiff and y'all are making him out to be Russell. I now understand why the coaches were raving over Timmy in the preseason. If your opponent does the same move everytime he gets the ball you will eventually figure out how to defend him. Either Ewing is a horrible coach or Q horrible student. Ewing should have this kid doing more than one move in year 2.... Considering he had 0 moves in year 1, a severely limited offseason compared to a normal year, and is less than 10 games into year 2, I think you need to sincerely re-assess how quickly you think development happens.
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Post by hoyazeke on Dec 23, 2020 22:04:17 GMT -5
Obiagu is a stiff and y'all are making him out to be Russell. I now understand why the coaches were raving over Timmy in the preseason. If your opponent does the same move everytime he gets the ball you will eventually figure out how to defend him. Either Ewing is a horrible coach or Q horrible student. Ewing should have this kid doing more than one move in year 2.... Considering he had 0 moves in year 1, a severely limited offseason compared to a normal year, and is less than 10 games into year 2, I think you need to sincerely re-assess how quickly you think development happens. So he couldn't get a trainer like everyone else? And he still has no moves. Just pivot/lean to his left and throw up a one handed shot. The degree of lean changes depending on the size of the defender...
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Dec 23, 2020 22:11:03 GMT -5
Considering he had 0 moves in year 1, a severely limited offseason compared to a normal year, and is less than 10 games into year 2, I think you need to sincerely re-assess how quickly you think development happens. So he couldn't get a trainer like everyone else? And he still has no moves. Just pivot/lean to his left and throw up a one handed shot. The degree of lean changes depending on the size of the defender... Your first post acknowledged that he has one move. Now you’re saying he has none just because it fits your narrative better. You’ve already lost the argument.
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Post by blueandgray on Dec 23, 2020 22:13:16 GMT -5
For the record, I do see quite a bit of progression from last year to this year with Q, it’s just that he still has a long way to go.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Dec 23, 2020 22:16:22 GMT -5
It's not that he just has one move. There's almost always no intentional shot fake by Q or any of our bigs under Ewing for that matter. They made it a walk in the park for Obiagu tonight because he always knew when the shot was going up and where it was coming from. The one time Q kinda shot-faked tonight (think it was more he got knocked off balance by Samuel and had to gather himself to go back up), he got the and-1. Even that was kind of ugly because Q just threw it up at the rim and happened to get a nice bounce (you could even see Samuel just smile after that play because he knew it was lucky).
I don't think anyone is expecting a dazzling array of post moves by Year 2. But basic things like passing the ball to the open man, shot fakes, etc. are not unreasonable expectations to have of our bigs considering who is the coach. We're 1/3rd of the way through this season and it's time to start seeing some improvement.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Dec 23, 2020 22:17:58 GMT -5
For the record, I do see quite a bit of progression from last year to this year with Q, it’s just that he still has a long way to go. Exactly. I think Otto ruined everyone’s expectations for the freshman to sophomore jump. Like it’s just some magical thing that happens automatically. Of course Otto’s jump had more to do with opportunity than actual improvement (3 pt shooting notwithstanding) since he was pretty damn good as a freshman as well.
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Post by mdtd on Dec 23, 2020 22:41:49 GMT -5
Just don’t see the major step forward that was hoped for. One move and often short on the shot. No court awareness-when the ball comes in the offense stops and he never looks to kick out. Frustrating because the kick out is critical to ball movement and what little upside this offense has to work with. Even though he had a bad game he still had 16 points and 13 rebounds Just volume over efficiency. As a big man he was 6/14 from the field. He's gotta be better than that. He got a touch like every time down as our only offensive option, those numbers just aren't great for how often he was used.
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Post by the_way on Dec 24, 2020 1:02:59 GMT -5
Just don’t see the major step forward that was hoped for. One move and often short on the shot. No court awareness-when the ball comes in the offense stops and he never looks to kick out. Frustrating because the kick out is critical to ball movement and what little upside this offense has to work with. Looked pretty good to me. And he is only a sophomore too.
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Post by the_way on Dec 24, 2020 1:04:48 GMT -5
Obiagu is a stiff and y'all are making him out to be Russell. I now understand why the coaches were raving over Timmy in the preseason. If your opponent does the same move everytime he gets the ball you will eventually figure out how to defend him. Either Ewing is a horrible coach or Q horrible student. Ewing should have this kid doing more than one move in year 2.... Considering he had 0 moves in year 1, a severely limited offseason compared to a normal year, and is less than 10 games into year 2, I think you need to sincerely re-assess how quickly you think development happens. This.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 24, 2020 5:53:43 GMT -5
Wahab was behind Yurt7 last year and COVID-19 hit, no Kenner and late start. Q does need to kick the ball out when triple teamed though. Would help him and the shooters. Needs to develop court awareness. Right now it’s just tunnel vision at the hoop. Everyone knows he’s going to shoot it, so they are forcing him a little further out. On top of that, he loves to dribble and shoot the fadeaway.
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Post by calhoya on Dec 24, 2020 7:56:26 GMT -5
Wahab was behind Yurt7 last year and COVID-19 hit, no Kenner and late start. Q does need to kick the ball out when triple teamed though. Would help him and the shooters. Needs to develop court awareness. Right now it’s just tunnel vision at the hoop. Everyone knows he’s going to shoot it, so they are forcing him a little further out. On top of that, he loves to dribble and shoot the fadeaway. At this point Wahab is more about potential than efficiency. I can see the reason people look at him and have high expectations for the future. Yet, I expected more development than I have seen. Watch his stroke at the FT line. The kid should be able to move away from the basket and pose a threat on offense. Have yet to see that occur once, though I did see it at the end of last year. What happened? Is it the offense we aer running? Look, no one is writing him off, but at this point it's not difficult for opposing teams to scheme for him--one offensive move, shooting around 50% from very close in and never looking to pass out to the open man. I know that Pickett has had two horrible shooting games, that Blair has disappeared from the flow of the offense, until garbage time when he starts jacking it up, and this team often struggles to find Carey, but I would still be willing to take my chances with those three and Berger (if he can get off the bench) getting and taking open looks, rather than watch Wahab and Tim struggle to hit half their baby hook shots in the paint. We are just making it too easy for opponents to guard this team. Coach has to make adjustments.
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Post by bostonfan on Dec 24, 2020 8:23:44 GMT -5
Just don’t see the major step forward that was hoped for. One move and often short on the shot. No court awareness-when the ball comes in the offense stops and he never looks to kick out. Frustrating because the kick out is critical to ball movement and what little upside this offense has to work with. Even though he had a bad game he still had 16 points and 13 rebounds Exactly, if all the other guys can get 16 points and 13 rebounds on nights when they have a "bad" game, then the team will win a lot more games. Is he a finished product? No. If I recall correctly he really had not played a lot of organized basketball until his last few years of high school. He is physically gifted in many ways but is still developing some of his skills and more importantly, his court awareness. He does a really good job protecting the rim and rebounding and while I wish he did not miss some of those shots when he posts up in the paint, I think he still shots a good percentage. As has been said by a lot of people, there is no one on this team that you can really think is going to go out and get you 30 on any given night to carry the scoring load. For the Hoyas to win, they need good consistent games from Blair, Pickett, Carey and Q every night. For the most part Q has done his part scoring and rebounding every night, but if one or two of the other 3 guys have an off night the margin for error is too small for the Hoyas to win.
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Post by sweetness on Dec 24, 2020 8:31:02 GMT -5
Wahab has developed quite a bit since last year, and yet is still just scratching the surface.
I think the issue last night was the game plan - trying to pound it down low against a 7'2 shot blocking monster isn't the best strategy. Granted I don't think we have too many other options this year.
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Post by prhoya on Dec 24, 2020 9:17:48 GMT -5
Wahab has developed quite a bit since last year, and yet is still just scratching the surface. I think the issue last night was the game plan - trying to pound it down low against a 7'2 shot blocking monster isn't the best strategy. Granted I don't think we have too many other options this year. Obiagu is not a blocking monster. Last year, he averaged 1.2 bpg. Patrick Ewing and Qudus made him famous (FS1 was raving) by forcing it inside. We were too predictable.
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Post by hoyazeke on Dec 24, 2020 9:54:14 GMT -5
So he couldn't get a trainer like everyone else? And he still has no moves. Just pivot/lean to his left and throw up a one handed shot. The degree of lean changes depending on the size of the defender... Your first post acknowledged that he has one move. Now you’re saying he has none just because it fits your narrative better. You’ve already lost the argument. You said he had no moves last year. I was counting his turn left move as his 1 move. I really don't count it but if you were I changed my post to match. So we are saying the same thing but you are acting as if Q wasn't doing the same move last year....
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Post by the_way on Dec 24, 2020 10:12:45 GMT -5
Has Q improved as a player from freshmen to sophomore year? Yes.
Does he have room to grow? Yes.
He has 4 years to play. He is still learning and growing as a player.
Happy with his progress.
Keep striving Q.
Go Hoyas!
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