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Post by Ranch Dressing on Mar 5, 2019 18:57:34 GMT -5
If the NET system leads to 7-11 or 8-12 major conference teams getting in before 10-8 major conference teams, there will be hell to pay. And maybe from US!!!! Hahaha.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Mar 5, 2019 20:00:15 GMT -5
Looking at tie breakers what we need to happen besides winning out, which would take care of any issues, but is to have providence win out. Getting them higher in the standings will help with any tie breakers as we swept them, especially since they swept St. John's.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 5, 2019 20:00:33 GMT -5
For any of the brackets that had Xavier slightly ahead of us due to their recent winning streak, think we'll swap spots back for sure now.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Mar 5, 2019 20:03:54 GMT -5
For any of the brackets that had Xavier slightly ahead of us due to their recent winning streak, think we'll swap spots back for sure now. With a win tomorrow, of course...
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Post by MassHoya on Mar 5, 2019 20:10:35 GMT -5
Things seem to be lining up for the Hoyas but we MUST keep focus and go out, play tough and beat DePaul. It won't matter who beats who unless we continue to play defense, rebound, maintain momentum and just win.
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Post by jctnhoya4ever on Mar 5, 2019 21:07:34 GMT -5
they Deserve a bid I am not saying that they are no good I trying to say a southern conference team 14 in the net they didn’t play the level of teams in the top 6 conference plays. If they did they would be a average team. The net system is not working it’s stupid and inconsistent with the way it has teams ranked.
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Post by jctnhoya4ever on Mar 5, 2019 21:14:13 GMT -5
Texas is 33 at 16-14 Florida is 35 at 17-12 i don’t get that at all Texas is below.500 in there conference and has 17 wins and is predicted to be in the tournament.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 5, 2019 22:13:41 GMT -5
Toledo wins but it probably doesn't matter with how tonight's results are going.
Minnesota gets a huge Q1 win (maybe courtesy of a late blown call) vs. Purdue.
Bama and Oklahoma both up double digits at halftime.
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 5, 2019 22:42:37 GMT -5
Winning three games in NYC is increasingly becoming the only path for this team. Bubble is a lot smaller than we think.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 5, 2019 22:45:27 GMT -5
Winning three games in NYC is increasingly becoming the only path for this team. Bubble is a lot smaller than we think. I think it would be close with a win at Marquette and then another neutral win vs. Nova/Marquette in the BET semis. But save that, I agree. Too many bubble teams putting up Q1 wins and that would be the only way to keep pace.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 5, 2019 23:07:48 GMT -5
Oklahoma destroys Kansas. Hard to imagine a 19 win B12 team with 4 Q1 wins and no bad losses missing now, even with a mediocre conference record.
Bama loses at home to Auburn; they very well could be the team we need to fall out of the bracket to get in.
Colorado St. misses a golden opportunity to take down Utah St. Think Utah St. is safe now even with an early exit in the MWC tourney.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 5, 2019 23:52:16 GMT -5
Texas is 33 at 16-14 Florida is 35 at 17-12 i don’t get that at all Texas is below.500 in there conference and has 17 wins and is predicted to be in the tournament. There's a good reason. They have played a very tough schedule (partially because the Big 12 is so good this year), and beat some very good teams (as follows, by KenPom rank): UNC (6), Purdue (10), Kansas State (25), Kansas (17), Iowa State (13), and Baylor (33). Many of their losses are "good" losses, to teams ranked: 8 (twice - Texas Tech), 13 (Iowa State), Michigan State (4), Kansas (17), and Kansas State (25). So, bottom line, Texas has played a much, much tougher schedule than we have. That's why a team with 17 wins and below .500 is projected as a tournament team by some.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 6, 2019 6:37:44 GMT -5
Again, thanks for the viewing/looking-up guide!
We have two of these going and it’s all fun vs the recent years.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 6, 2019 7:05:24 GMT -5
Texas is 33 at 16-14 Florida is 35 at 17-12 i don’t get that at all Texas is below.500 in there conference and has 17 wins and is predicted to be in the tournament. There's a good reason. They have played a very tough schedule (partially because the Big 12 is so good this year), and beat some very good teams (as follows, by KenPom rank): UNC (6), Purdue (10), Kansas State (25), Kansas (17), Iowa State (13), and Baylor (33). Many of their losses are "good" losses, to teams ranked: 8 (twice - Texas Tech), 13 (Iowa State), Michigan State (4), Kansas (17), and Kansas State (25). So, bottom line, Texas has played a much, much tougher schedule than we have. That's why a team with 17 wins and below .500 is projected as a tournament team by some. Exactly. People seem to be struggling to understand that your overall record and even your conference record don’t really matter. You need to look at who teams beat and who they lost to (and to a lesser extent where - and unfortunately for us it seems the “when” doesnt seem to matter anymore or as much).
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 6, 2019 8:00:03 GMT -5
There's a good reason. They have played a very tough schedule (partially because the Big 12 is so good this year), and beat some very good teams (as follows, by KenPom rank): UNC (6), Purdue (10), Kansas State (25), Kansas (17), Iowa State (13), and Baylor (33). Many of their losses are "good" losses, to teams ranked: 8 (twice - Texas Tech), 13 (Iowa State), Michigan State (4), Kansas (17), and Kansas State (25). So, bottom line, Texas has played a much, much tougher schedule than we have. That's why a team with 17 wins and below .500 is projected as a tournament team by some. Exactly. People seem to be struggling to understand that your overall record and even your conference record don’t really matter. You need to look at who teams beat and who they lost to (and to a lesser extent where - and unfortunately for us it seems the “when” doesnt seem to matter anymore or as much). I have no problem with Texas’ resume or other major comference teams with multiple Q1 wins. What I do have a problem with is a team like Furman whose resume is built on one OT win at Nova. Their next best win is UNC Greensboro. The only other major conference team they played was LSU, who beat them by 18 They have a total of 1 Q1 win and of their 24 wins, 14 are against Q4 teams and 2 against non D1 teams. I know they say they look at every team blindly, but does the committee want to have Furman play a stand-alone game against say Clemson on that first Tuesday or would you rather have Patrick Ewing and the Georgetown Hoyas?
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Post by madgesiq92 on Mar 6, 2019 8:27:27 GMT -5
Exactly. People seem to be struggling to understand that your overall record and even your conference record don’t really matter. You need to look at who teams beat and who they lost to (and to a lesser extent where - and unfortunately for us it seems the “when” doesnt seem to matter anymore or as much). I have no problem with Texas’ resume or other major comference teams with multiple Q1 wins. What I do have a problem with is a team like Furman whose resume is built on one OT win at Nova. Their next best win is UNC Greensboro. The only other major conference team they played was LSU, who beat them by 18 They have a total of 1 Q1 win and of their 24 wins, 14 are against Q4 teams and 2 against non D1 teams. I know they say they look at every team blindly, but does the committee want to have Furman play a stand-alone game against say Clemson on that first Tuesday or would you rather have Patrick Ewing and the Georgetown Hoyas? That assumes that we would be the last one out. If we are being honest with ourselves, without a finish that includes 2 more wins over Marquette/Villanova, how does the committee pick us above Seton Hall, with non-conference schedule that included a neutral court win over Kentucky, a road win over Maryland when our head to head was 1-1, one blowout loss and one double OT win. I'll be happy beating DePaul tonight and playing on Thursday in BET for first time in 4 years.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 6, 2019 8:30:55 GMT -5
I would 100 percent rather see Furman. Look, we all want gtown to make it, but 99/100 people would rather see a 5/12 Maryland/Furman matchup than a 5/12 Maryland/B6 one. It’s quite literally the best thing about that NCAA tourney and honestly, it’s pretty stupid that the committee hasn’t figured this out yet.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 6, 2019 8:37:39 GMT -5
Exactly. People seem to be struggling to understand that your overall record and even your conference record don’t really matter. You need to look at who teams beat and who they lost to (and to a lesser extent where - and unfortunately for us it seems the “when” doesnt seem to matter anymore or as much). I have no problem with Texas’ resume or other major comference teams with multiple Q1 wins. What I do have a problem with is a team like Furman whose resume is built on one OT win at Nova. Their next best win is UNC Greensboro. The only other major conference team they played was LSU, who beat them by 18 They have a total of 1 Q1 win and of their 24 wins, 14 are against Q4 teams and 2 against non D1 teams. I know they say they look at every team blindly, but does the committee want to have Furman play a stand-alone game against say Clemson on that first Tuesday or would you rather have Patrick Ewing and the Georgetown Hoyas? I don't think we're going to be in any position to complain about virtually any team that gets in instead of us. All of these teams (certainly including the Hoyas) have deeply flawed resumes. There's tons of ways to slice the onion here. Lots of ways to make virtually any of these teams look better or worse than anyone else. Out of conference, we played exactly one team (Syracuse) with a NET in the top 50...and we lost. Furman played two...and went 1-1. (Advantage them, though barely.) Even in conference, only Marquette, Creighton and Villanova are top 50 NET teams. We've played five games against that group so far and are 1-4. Furman has played two such teams (both Wofford) in conference and lost to both. Advantage us, but geez, neither team's results are wonderfully impressive. How about worst loss? They have one loss to a team rated 165...other than that their worst loss is to number 66 E. Tenn. St. We've lost to 141, 114, 70, 63, and 61. (Advantage them.) Do I think we're a "better" team -- especially right now -- yes I do, but I'm biased. But in terms of "deserve a bid?" I couldn't really argue against the Committee either way. That's why the Marquette game (and/or getting a win against them or Nova in the BET) would be so huge. (EDIT: For what it's worth (which is "zero"), those numbers change just a bit but are substantially identical using the old RPI. So, this isn't a "this new NET thing stinks" situation.)
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 6, 2019 8:37:50 GMT -5
I have no problem with Texas’ resume or other major comference teams with multiple Q1 wins. What I do have a problem with is a team like Furman whose resume is built on one OT win at Nova. Their next best win is UNC Greensboro. The only other major conference team they played was LSU, who beat them by 18 They have a total of 1 Q1 win and of their 24 wins, 14 are against Q4 teams and 2 against non D1 teams. I know they say they look at every team blindly, but does the committee want to have Furman play a stand-alone game against say Clemson on that first Tuesday or would you rather have Patrick Ewing and the Georgetown Hoyas? That assumes that we would be the last one out. If we are being honest with ourselves, without a finish that includes 2 more wins over Marquette/Villanova, how does the committee pick us above Seton Hall, with non-conference schedule that included a neutral court win over Kentucky, a road win over Maryland when our head to head was 1-1, one blowout loss and one double OT win. I'll be happy beating DePaul tonight and playing on Thursday in BET for first time in 4 years.
Agree. Although, I think Seton Hall can’t be considered that much ahead of us when they lost to DePaul twice. But, point taken. Its hard to complain if we get left out with only 3 more wins.
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Post by daveg023 on Mar 6, 2019 8:54:40 GMT -5
To me Seton Hall is either definitely in or definitely out based on their next 3+ games. It’s only murky if they split and then won one game in the BET.
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