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Post by RockawayHoya on Jan 28, 2019 9:48:30 GMT -5
Thoughts: - I'm not sure we actually deserved to win this game. We shot really well from 3, and admittedly from good shots. But there were still 5-8 completely moronic turnovers and some of the worst defensive rebounding I've seen in a long time. Does anyone jump for the ball on our team over than LeBlanc, Greg and Mac? Everyone else stands and watches.
- Putting in Mourning as a defensive replacement is baffling. I know Govan had four fouls, but I hate to tell Ewing, Carter is a better defender and rebounder right now. And like everyone else, I was baffled by the fact that apparently 5 game minutes plus 2 TV timeouts wasn't enough rest for Mac and Akinjo at the same time -- they really should never BOTH be out of the lineup. There's simply no real ballhandling with them out even if Mosely has really played solidly the last few games.
- In Big East play, Mac is shooting over 40% from 3 and has a 110+ offensive rating on some pretty massive shot usage. It's only four games, so we'll see how it goes, but that's pretty impressive so far for a frosh. Since his 0-14 start, he's at 36%.
- Mac and Akinjo both have still a long way to go with identifying the right pass when driving, but today was an improvement. Baby steps, but 12 assists is good, even if 6 TOs is a bit too much. the real TO probelm is the guys who commit them without the playmaking responsibility.
- LeBlanc's #1 improvement point is staying on the court. The bench is not good; him simply being out there instead of Mourning is a massive improvement. Also great to see the 3 and the FT shooting.
- I still maintain that Mullin is not a good coach.
- People focus so much on endgame, but the difference between this team and a tourney team is the bench and stupid mistakes. Remove 3-4 of our 5-8 dumb turnovers a game and we have maybe one, maybe no losses this year? Every team has bad mistakes on both offense and defense but this team has neither the focus nor personnel to play anywhere close to forty minutes. No team does ... but we are playing a good 15 minutes every game and holding on for the rest.
- That McConnaughey-Lincoln commercial is amazing. I hated it at first, but now I appreciate the brilliant layers. Matthew is both the life of the party and an introvert who leaves it to shoot trick shots by himself. We've all been that person, except he's cooler and he really appreciates the safety features of the Lincoln with the most brilliant of reactions in the car. Just amazing and I am fully convinced that Lincoln is trolling us all at this moment.
Agreed on all points minus the car commercial. The worst turnovers we are committing aside from the end game ones where we freeze up against pressure are the simple outlet passes we don't seem to be able to make without putting the ball in danger. Pickett is especially bad at this; treats it like a hot potato that he has to give up to James or Mac as quickly as possible. This is partially on the PGs to demand the ball and go to it to get it, but the nonchalant outlet passes need to stop; those 3-4 turnovers a game SF is referring to is a direct result of that. That being said, Picket looked a lot more confident offensively; especially with his jump shot. That was a welcome sight to see and probably the biggest thing I took away from the game. He needs to be more of the guy we saw yesterday offensively for us to take the next step. I thought our bigs competed a little bit better defensively overall; Jessie wasn't great but he was passable. We need passable and not insufficient from him to have a shot. It was kind of amazing to see SJU burn all their timeouts by the under 8 minute mark. With how many stoppages they were giving us and for how long we continued to rely on the bench regardless of stoppages in play, it wasn't a great coaching moment for either Ewing or Mullin. Thought James played much more under control and didn't force many of the haphazard drives into the lane that he's had in previous games. Good adjustment by him. Good road win, if we can finally take care of business at home vs. our physicality bellweather, the team will have me finally believing that they are taking a small step in the right direction.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 28, 2019 10:29:29 GMT -5
I don’t have a problem with what happened. I actually liked it. First of all, it is a great development opportunity for an assistant. Secondly, it could help a coach where he may be weak. I like to listen carefully to those segments. Some coaches seem to be much more effective in what they communicate during time-outs. I think Cooley is exceptional. Frankly, this is an area in which I think PE could improve. If he hired a great X & Os bench coach and gave him responsibilities for certain time-outs, I would have no problem. There is no rule that the head coach must lead every time-out. I am not sure this is anything new. I remember being at Madison Square Garden either Mullin's first or second year, and he didn't participate in the huddles at all. It could just be his style of coaching, but it makes him look disinterested. And I don't think it was isolated to today's instance. Sorry but have to disagree. Sure maybe an assistant can weigh in on something he's seeing but those timeout meetings have to be run by the coach not an assistant. Look, Mullins has at least 3 guys who will be in the NBA next year. Give us Herron or Figueroa and we are BE champs. If St. John's finishes in the bottom 4 of the BE this year Mullins will definitely be fired. I'm really curious to see how they do against Duke this week. Wouldn't surprise me if they beat them like they did last year. Would love to know what's going through Carneseca's mind right now.
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Post by seaweed on Jan 28, 2019 10:52:03 GMT -5
To say that Mullins is a joke takes nothing away from PE. Did you see Mullins tieing his shoe wile his assistant gave instructions during that one timeout? Give Cooley, Wight, or McDermott the St. John's players and the Johnies are leading the BE. I don’t have a problem with what happened. I actually liked it. First of all, it is a great development opportunity for an assistant. Secondly, it could help a coach where he may be weak. I like to listen carefully to those segments. Some coaches seem to be much more effective in what they communicate during time-outs. I think Cooley is exceptional. Frankly, this is an area in which I think PE could improve. If he hired a great X & Os bench coach and gave him responsibilities for certain time-outs, I would have no problem. There is no rule that the head coach must lead every time-out. Why does anybody think those in the huddle moments are anything more than scripted, made for TV moments? Do you really want talking xs and os on national TV, of giving us a peek into his psych-game? It’s a wasted moment, so they spew some BS for 15 seconds and get back to work
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Post by jwp91 on Jan 28, 2019 11:14:56 GMT -5
I don’t have a problem with what happened. I actually liked it. First of all, it is a great development opportunity for an assistant. Secondly, it could help a coach where he may be weak. I like to listen carefully to those segments. Some coaches seem to be much more effective in what they communicate during time-outs. I think Cooley is exceptional. Frankly, this is an area in which I think PE could improve. If he hired a great X & Os bench coach and gave him responsibilities for certain time-outs, I would have no problem. There is no rule that the head coach must lead every time-out. Why does anybody think those in the huddle moments are anything more than scripted, made for TV moments? Do you really want talking xs and os on national TV, of giving us a peek into his psych-game? It’s a wasted moment, so they spew some BS for 15 seconds and get back to work [Written in sarcasm font] Yes, it is a make or break game for the season and a critical moment within the game, and we will now take a meaningful part of a very short time-out to perform a little one-act play.
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Post by beenaround on Jan 28, 2019 11:37:18 GMT -5
I don’t have a problem with what happened. I actually liked it. First of all, it is a great development opportunity for an assistant. Secondly, it could help a coach where he may be weak. I like to listen carefully to those segments. Some coaches seem to be much more effective in what they communicate during time-outs. I think Cooley is exceptional. Frankly, this is an area in which I think PE could improve. If he hired a great X & Os bench coach and gave him responsibilities for certain time-outs, I would have no problem. There is no rule that the head coach must lead every time-out. Why does anybody think those in the huddle moments are anything more than scripted, made for TV moments? Do you really want talking xs and os on national TV, of giving us a peek into his psych-game? It’s a wasted moment, so they spew some BS for 15 seconds and get back to work Gotta agree with you 100% on the substance of those made for tv moments!. On the flip side, however, it is a good chance to actually look like you know what you are doing...ie an advertisement to the fans and potential recruits. So, why waste that 15 seconds of "reality tv"?
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jan 28, 2019 11:48:21 GMT -5
In the NBA game it is common to have a D assistant and an O assistant. Frequently those guys are directing the huddle in certain situations (probably depends on the confidence of the head coach). In the college, you don't see it as much but I think this is being overblown. Frankly I would love it if Ewing delegated a lot (and maybe he does) as that really is what a head coach is in the position to do with ultimate veto power.
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Post by seaweed on Jan 28, 2019 11:59:04 GMT -5
Why does anybody think those in the huddle moments are anything more than scripted, made for TV moments? Do you really want talking xs and os on national TV, of giving us a peek into his psych-game? It’s a wasted moment, so they spew some BS for 15 seconds and get back to work [Written in sarcasm font] Yes, it is a make or break game for the season and a critical moment within the game, and we will now take a meaningful part of a very short time-out to perform a little one-act play. Would you rather broadcast your schemes and strategy to the whole planet?
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Post by jwp91 on Jan 28, 2019 12:06:07 GMT -5
[Written in sarcasm font] Yes, it is a make or break game for the season and a critical moment within the game, and we will now take a meaningful part of a very short time-out to perform a little one-act play. Would you rather broadcast your schemes and strategy to the whole planet? It is possible to give actionable, helpful instructions that aren’t platitudes without broadcasting your schemes.
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Post by sleepy on Jan 28, 2019 12:15:55 GMT -5
Would you rather broadcast your schemes and strategy to the whole planet? It is possible to give actionable, helpful instructions that aren’t platitudes without broadcasting your schemes. The coaches know they are being micd for 15 seconds of a 2 minute timeout. IMO, its definitely more performative than anything else. Its part of the deal if you want your program on TV. I don't think I've ever been impressed with the coaching acumen in any of those huddles and they all pretty much say the same generic things. "Rebound" "Don't let your man score" "Keep attacking". It is interesting but certainly nothing to judge a coach over.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 28, 2019 12:31:16 GMT -5
[Written in sarcasm font] Yes, it is a make or break game for the season and a critical moment within the game, and we will now take a meaningful part of a very short time-out to perform a little one-act play. Would you rather broadcast your schemes and strategy to the whole planet? [jpg]https://18karatreggae.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/bill-belicheat.jpg[/jpg]
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Post by justsaying on Jan 28, 2019 12:43:36 GMT -5
Would you rather broadcast your schemes and strategy to the whole planet? [jpg]https://18karatreggae.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/bill-belicheat.jpg[/jpg] Agreed, generic by design.
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Post by MEGAFAN on Jan 28, 2019 13:03:52 GMT -5
I am not sure this is anything new. I remember being at Madison Square Garden either Mullin's first or second year, and he didn't participate in the huddles at all. It could just be his style of coaching, but it makes him look disinterested. And I don't think it was isolated to today's instance. Sorry but have to disagree. Sure maybe an assistant can weigh in on something he's seeing but those timeout meetings have to be run by the coach not an assistant. Look, Mullins has at least 3 guys who will be in the NBA next year. Give us Herron or Figueroa and we are BE champs. If St. John's finishes in the bottom 4 of the BE this year Mullins will definitely be fired. I'm really curious to see how they do against Duke this week. Wouldn't surprise me if they beat them like they did last year. Would love to know what's going through Carneseca's mind right now. Sorry to be nit picky, but can we please once and for all not butcher Chris Mullin's name. His name is Chris Mullin. Not Mullins. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Mullin_(basketball)Now back to your regularly scheduled programming... #HoyaSaxa!
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Post by Elvado on Jan 28, 2019 14:36:55 GMT -5
Thank you for standing in as the cranky old man...
I have been busy today.
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Post by seaweed on Jan 28, 2019 15:19:12 GMT -5
[jpg]https://18karatreggae.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/bill-belicheat.jpg[/jpg] Agreed, generic by design. If you want coach-speak, here is what Mullin has to say about SJU’s road ahead: Great opportunities," Mullin said. "What else would you rather do? Go play basketball. We're going to go to Creighton, it's going to be a packed house. We're going to go to Duke, which I haven't visited since 1981 when I visited there so I'm excited about that. We're going to play at Marquette, one of the best offensive teams. "What else would you rather do in life? If you're not excited about that, jeez." He added: "Every day is an opportunity. Every day I wake up and I get in my car and I'm good to go."
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Post by drquigley on Jan 28, 2019 15:40:10 GMT -5
Agreed, generic by design. If you want coach-speak, here is what Mullin has to say about SJU’s road ahead: Great opportunities," Mullin said. "What else would you rather do? Go play basketball. We're going to go to Creighton, it's going to be a packed house. We're going to go to Duke, which I haven't visited since 1981 when I visited there so I'm excited about that. We're going to play at Marquette, one of the best offensive teams. "What else would you rather do in life? If you're not excited about that, jeez." He added: "Every day is an opportunity. Every day I wake up and I get in my car and I'm good to go." Hey, if I was getting paid what he is, and had the talented players he has, I'd be upbeat too. But if the Johnnies lose these three games the alums might not be so giddy.
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Post by bigskyhoya on Jan 28, 2019 15:50:47 GMT -5
Thoughts: - I'm not sure we actually deserved to win this game. We shot really well from 3, and admittedly from good shots. But there were still 5-8 completely moronic turnovers and some of the worst defensive rebounding I've seen in a long time. Does anyone jump for the ball on our team over than LeBlanc, Greg and Mac? Everyone else stands and watches.
- Putting in Mourning as a defensive replacement is baffling. I know Govan had four fouls, but I hate to tell Ewing, Carter is a better defender and rebounder right now. And like everyone else, I was baffled by the fact that apparently 5 game minutes plus 2 TV timeouts wasn't enough rest for Mac and Akinjo at the same time -- they really should never BOTH be out of the lineup. There's simply no real ballhandling with them out even if Mosely has really played solidly the last few games.
- In Big East play, Mac is shooting over 40% from 3 and has a 110+ offensive rating on some pretty massive shot usage. It's only four games, so we'll see how it goes, but that's pretty impressive so far for a frosh. Since his 0-14 start, he's at 36%.
- Mac and Akinjo both have still a long way to go with identifying the right pass when driving, but today was an improvement. Baby steps, but 12 assists is good, even if 6 TOs is a bit too much. the real TO probelm is the guys who commit them without the playmaking responsibility.
- LeBlanc's #1 improvement point is staying on the court. The bench is not good; him simply being out there instead of Mourning is a massive improvement. Also great to see the 3 and the FT shooting.
- I still maintain that Mullin is not a good coach.
- People focus so much on endgame, but the difference between this team and a tourney team is the bench and stupid mistakes. Remove 3-4 of our 5-8 dumb turnovers a game and we have maybe one, maybe no losses this year? Every team has bad mistakes on both offense and defense but this team has neither the focus nor personnel to play anywhere close to forty minutes. No team does ... but we are playing a good 15 minutes every game and holding on for the rest.
- That McConnaughey-Lincoln commercial is amazing. I hated it at first, but now I appreciate the brilliant layers. Matthew is both the life of the party and an introvert who leaves it to shoot trick shots by himself. We've all been that person, except he's cooler and he really appreciates the safety features of the Lincoln with the most brilliant of reactions in the car. Just amazing and I am fully convinced that Lincoln is trolling us all at this moment.
Agreed on all points minus the car commercial. The worst turnovers we are committing aside from the end game ones where we freeze up against pressure are the simple outlet passes we don't seem to be able to make without putting the ball in danger. Pickett is especially bad at this; treats it like a hot potato that he has to give up to James or Mac as quickly as possible. This is partially on the PGs to demand the ball and go to it to get it, but the nonchalant outlet passes need to stop; those 3-4 turnovers a game SF is referring to is a direct result of that. That being said, Picket looked a lot more confident offensively; especially with his jump shot. That was a welcome sight to see and probably the biggest thing I took away from the game. He needs to be more of the guy we saw yesterday offensively for us to take the next step. I thought our bigs competed a little bit better defensively overall; Jessie wasn't great but he was passable. We need passable and not insufficient from him to have a shot. It was kind of amazing to see SJU burn all their timeouts by the under 8 minute mark. With how many stoppages they were giving us and for how long we continued to rely on the bench regardless of stoppages in play, it wasn't a great coaching moment for either Ewing or Mullin. Thought James played much more under control and didn't force many of the haphazard drives into the lane that he's had in previous games. Good adjustment by him. Good road win, if we can finally take care of business at home vs. our physicality bellweather, the team will have me finally believing that they are taking a small step in the right direction. Jessie had at least one critical block near the end of the game. He deserves more credit for this developing aspect of his game.
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Post by bostonfan on Jan 28, 2019 15:54:57 GMT -5
If you want coach-speak, here is what Mullin has to say about SJU’s road ahead: Great opportunities," Mullin said. "What else would you rather do? Go play basketball. We're going to go to Creighton, it's going to be a packed house. We're going to go to Duke, which I haven't visited since 1981 when I visited there so I'm excited about that. We're going to play at Marquette, one of the best offensive teams. "What else would you rather do in life? If you're not excited about that, jeez." He added: "Every day is an opportunity. Every day I wake up and I get in my car and I'm good to go." Hey, if I was getting paid what he is, and had the talented players he has, I'd be upbeat too. But if the Johnnies lose these three games the alums might not be so giddy. If they don't turn it around in the next few games, and end up missing the tournament after the start they had, he is going to be on the hot seat. Ponds is gone after this year along with Clarke, and possibly Heron, so next year is going to be tough unless he lands some big time recruits, which as we all know is hard to do if you have a disappointing record. It helps the entire Big East if St John's is a good program so I don't cheer against them, unless they are playing Georgetown, but if they lose a few more in a row he is going to have some issues.
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Post by bigeast1 on Jan 28, 2019 16:05:05 GMT -5
I am a NYC based Big East fan and I can tell you issues have already started. The NY Post has an article questioning whether he is the man to get it done, Twitter is killing him and the St. John's fan board has a thread about who will be the next coach. Not the stuff you want heading into a 3 game road trip. I agree that a good St. John's team is great for the Big East but they need to get it turned around quickly if they are going to salvage the season.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Jan 28, 2019 17:50:12 GMT -5
I am a NYC based Big East fan and I can tell you issues have already started. The NY Post has an article questioning whether he is the man to get it done, Twitter is killing him and the St. John's fan board has a thread about who will be the next coach. Not the stuff you want heading into a 3 game road trip. I agree that a good St. John's team is great for the Big East but they need to get it turned around quickly if they are going to salvage the season. Mullin doesn't even coach, so why is he to blame??? Hahahaha.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 28, 2019 19:12:33 GMT -5
When Govan and Pickett play defense, it makes a world of difference.
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