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Post by SSHoya on Jun 7, 2020 10:18:04 GMT -5
Conservative Peggy Noonan in the WSJ calls on Trump to resign:
“In all this he gave up the game and explicitly patronized his own followers. It was as if he was saying: I’m going to show you how stupid I know you are. I’ll give you crude and gross imagery and you’ll love it because you’re crude and gross people.
“And some would love it. But not all. Not most, I think.
“He has maxed out his base. He’s got his 40% and will keep it, but it isn’t growing. His polls are down, he has historically high negatives. As for suburban women, they’d crawl over broken husbands to vote him out.
“He is proud of his many billionaire friends and think they love him. They don’t. Their support is utterly transactional. They’re embarrassed by him. When they begin to think he won’t be re-elected they will turn, and it will be bloody and on a dime.
“This will not end well. With his timing he’d know it. He should give an Oval Office address announcing he’s leaving: ‘America, you don’t deserve me.’ Truer words have never been spoken in that old place. And he won’t be outshone by his successor. Network producers will listen to Mike Pence once and say, “Let’s do ‘Shark Week.’ ” But you know, America could use a shark week.”
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Post by DallasHoya on Jun 7, 2020 12:10:37 GMT -5
Conservative Peggy Noonan in the WSJ calls on Trump to resign: “In all this he gave up the game and explicitly patronized his own followers. It was as if he was saying: I’m going to show you how stupid I know you are. I’ll give you crude and gross imagery and you’ll love it because you’re crude and gross people. “And some would love it. But not all. Not most, I think. “He has maxed out his base. He’s got his 40% and will keep it, but it isn’t growing. His polls are down, he has historically high negatives. As for suburban women, they’d crawl over broken husbands to vote him out. “He is proud of his many billionaire friends and think they love him. They don’t. Their support is utterly transactional. They’re embarrassed by him. When they begin to think he won’t be re-elected they will turn, and it will be bloody and on a dime. “This will not end well. With his timing he’d know it. He should give an Oval Office address announcing he’s leaving: ‘America, you don’t deserve me.’ Truer words have never been spoken in that old place. And he won’t be outshone by his successor. Network producers will listen to Mike Pence once and say, “Let’s do ‘Shark Week.’ ” But you know, America could use a shark week.” In a similar vein: Vote for Trump? These Republican leaders aren’t on the bandwagonI think whether many republicans oppose Trump publicly or actually support Biden this fall will depend in large part about who Biden chooses for his running mate.
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Post by hoya9797 on Jun 7, 2020 12:28:42 GMT -5
Conservative Peggy Noonan in the WSJ calls on Trump to resign: “In all this he gave up the game and explicitly patronized his own followers. It was as if he was saying: I’m going to show you how stupid I know you are. I’ll give you crude and gross imagery and you’ll love it because you’re crude and gross people. “And some would love it. But not all. Not most, I think. “He has maxed out his base. He’s got his 40% and will keep it, but it isn’t growing. His polls are down, he has historically high negatives. As for suburban women, they’d crawl over broken husbands to vote him out. “He is proud of his many billionaire friends and think they love him. They don’t. Their support is utterly transactional. They’re embarrassed by him. When they begin to think he won’t be re-elected they will turn, and it will be bloody and on a dime. “This will not end well. With his timing he’d know it. He should give an Oval Office address announcing he’s leaving: ‘America, you don’t deserve me.’ Truer words have never been spoken in that old place. And he won’t be outshone by his successor. Network producers will listen to Mike Pence once and say, “Let’s do ‘Shark Week.’ ” But you know, America could use a shark week.” In a similar vein: Vote for Trump? These Republican leaders aren’t on the bandwagonI think whether many republicans oppose Trump publicly or actually support Biden this fall will depend in large part about who Biden chooses for his running mate. More likely that the VP choice will create some flimsy excuse to stay on board with this lunatic. This election is a referendum on trump.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2020 12:43:07 GMT -5
More likely that the VP choice will create some flimsy excuse to stay on board with this lunatic. This election is a referendum on trump. Facts. He's the exact same guy he's always been. If they're not convinced by now then... Biden doesn't need Republicans to win. He needs to get out his voters.
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 7, 2020 13:04:30 GMT -5
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Post by DallasHoya on Jun 7, 2020 18:08:48 GMT -5
More likely that the VP choice will create some flimsy excuse to stay on board with this lunatic. This election is a referendum on trump. Facts. He's the exact same guy he's always been. If they're not convinced by now then... Biden doesn't need Republicans to win. He needs to get out his voters. It’s true that the election is a referendum on Trump and that Biden needs to get out his voters. But I think it’s also true that whether many republicans oppose Trump publicly or actually support Biden this fall will depend in large part about who Biden chooses for his running mate.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2020 18:46:16 GMT -5
Facts. He's the exact same guy he's always been. If they're not convinced by now then... Biden doesn't need Republicans to win. He needs to get out his voters. It’s true that the election is a referendum on Trump and that Biden needs to get out his voters. But I think it’s also true that whether many republicans oppose Trump publicly or actually support Biden this fall will depend in large part about who Biden chooses for his running mate. Can you name a VP pick that has moved the needle in any significant way throughout the history of this country? I don't think his focus should be trying to convince Republicans that are still on the fence about Trump at this juncture of his Presidency to vote Biden. That could push more reliable Biden voters away and be a net negative for him. Kloubachar for instance would probably gain him some of the group you're talking about but that's not going to get Dems excited about his candidacy.
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Post by TC on Jun 7, 2020 19:31:17 GMT -5
It’s true that the election is a referendum on Trump and that Biden needs to get out his voters. But I think it’s also true that whether many republicans oppose Trump publicly or actually support Biden this fall will depend in large part about who Biden chooses for his running mate. Can you name a VP pick that has moved the needle in any significant way throughout the history of this country? I don't think his focus should be trying to convince Republicans that are still on the fence about Trump at this juncture of his Presidency to vote Biden. That could push more reliable Biden voters away and be a net negative for him. Kloubachar for instance would probably gain him some of the group you're talking about but that's not going to get Dems excited about his candidacy. The Klobuchar-pushing from conservatives is super weird to me because she's a blah rando whose treatment of staff is going to be a huge red flag - it's almost like they don't want him to choose a woman of color.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 7, 2020 19:51:29 GMT -5
[Can you name a VP pick that has moved the needle in any significant way throughout the history of this country? Maybe 1960. LBJ may have helped Kennedy in holding a pair of southern states (Texas was ultra-Democratic in 1960 and wasn't in play) but winning Illinois was more important. Klobuchar isn't winning any midwestern states and her former job as Hennepin County attorney (Minneapolis) may be something Biden wants to stay clear of. Rule #1 of a VP pick is "do no harm". Occam's razor still leans to Kamala Harris.
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Post by DallasHoya on Jun 7, 2020 22:37:21 GMT -5
It’s true that the election is a referendum on Trump and that Biden needs to get out his voters. But I think it’s also true that whether many republicans oppose Trump publicly or actually support Biden this fall will depend in large part about who Biden chooses for his running mate. Can you name a VP pick that has moved the needle in any significant way throughout the history of this country? I don't think his focus should be trying to convince Republicans that are still on the fence about Trump at this juncture of his Presidency to vote Biden. That could push more reliable Biden voters away and be a net negative for him. Kloubachar for instance would probably gain him some of the group you're talking about but that's not going to get Dems excited about his candidacy. The point of my post was not to suggest or imply that Biden should select a VP nominee to appease democratic centrists or republicans, or that doing so would “move the needle.” I had cited to an article about Bush, Romney and other republicans not supporting Trump, and I was suggesting that the possibility of republicans actually supporting Biden at this point was more dependent on his VP selection and not anything Trump does from here on out.
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 8, 2020 6:35:51 GMT -5
White Catholics and nonwhite Protestants show the largest changes in attitudes toward the president. Currently, 37% of white Catholics hold favorable views of Trump, a significant drop from 49% across 2019, and a substantial downward trend from a high of 60% in March and 48% in April. By contrast, 40% of nonwhite Protestants hold favorable views of Trump, which is mostly steady since March 2020 but a significant increase from 30% across 2019. www.prri.org/research/trump-favorability-white-catholic-and-non-college-americans-national-unrest-protests/FiveThirtyEight.com Trump approval Disapprove 54.2 Approve 41.3 I fear that the sociopath may start a war because he thinks it will boost his poll ratings. Powell, Mattis, Kelly, Mullen, McRaven, Allen have it right - the sociopath is unfit to be CIC. Draft dodging POS. www-nytimes-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/05/18/opinion/trump-military.amp.html?amp_js_v=a2&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=15916315046932&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2020%2F05%2F18%2Fopinion%2Ftrump-military.html
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 8, 2020 21:04:16 GMT -5
[Can you name a VP pick that has moved the needle in any significant way throughout the history of this country? Maybe 1960. LBJ may have helped Kennedy in holding a pair of southern states (Texas was ultra-Democratic in 1960 and wasn't in play) but winning Illinois was more important. Klobuchar isn't winning any midwestern states and her former job as Hennepin County attorney (Minneapolis) may be something Biden wants to stay clear of. Rule #1 of a VP pick is "do no harm". Occam's razor still leans to Kamala Harris. Yes, we're hearing that out here in CA now, too. Not thrilled. I'm not a big fan. I was actually thinking 1968. While Humphrey did not win that election, I think Edmund Muskie was, more than Humphrey, responsible for the huge comeback he almost pulled off after being about 1,000 percent behind in the polls during the summer and after the Chicago debacle.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 8, 2020 21:58:31 GMT -5
Yes, we're hearing that out here in CA now, too. Not thrilled. I'm not a big fan. I was actually thinking 1968. While Humphrey did not win that election, I think Edmund Muskie was, more than Humphrey, responsible for the huge comeback he almost pulled off after being about 1,000 percent behind in the polls during the summer and after the Chicago debacle. Re: Harris, it's a safe pick. You don't want to pick a VP whose inexperience overtakes the conversation (Ferraro, Quayle, Palin). Given the fact Biden is seeking to be the first President to voluntarily serve one term since James K. Polk, he's essentially picking the next Democratic candidate in 2024 (or as Elvado would suggest, sooner). A Senator is a better choice than a mayor or a Congresswoman in that regard and at 55, she's not tied to the elderly wing of the party that Warren and others are. Re: Muskie, an underrated politician whose 1972 campaign was derailed in part by Nixon's "dirty tricks" operatives. One of a handful of steady Democratic senators (Henry Jackson, Mo Udall, Terry Sanford, John Glenn) who no longer fit with the wheels-off Democratic election structure of the times. As for the activists who want to see the Republican Party go the way of the Whigs, a one party country is not in anyone's best interest, either. Another GOP will rebuild itself, and while Don Jr. will attempt to be installed as the heir apparent, new voices will be heard.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 23:50:15 GMT -5
Gassing your own people to do a photo op at a church holding a bible upside down and lying about it.
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 9, 2020 4:45:22 GMT -5
Yes, we're hearing that out here in CA now, too. Not thrilled. I'm not a big fan. I was actually thinking 1968. While Humphrey did not win that election, I think Edmund Muskie was, more than Humphrey, responsible for the huge comeback he almost pulled off after being about 1,000 percent behind in the polls during the summer and after the Chicago debacle. Another GOP will rebuild itself, and while Don Jr. will attempt to be installed as the heir apparent, new voices will be heard. Romney is attempting to position himself as perhaps a transitional leader of the reconstituted GOP. However, given the nature of the GOP base, advantage Trumpism. Perhaps West Point's #1 disgrace Mike Pompeo will be the face of Trumpism. The "angry white persons" Michael Gerson identified within the GOP aren't going away. The Evangelical Christian "victims" aren't going away. Who are the new voices in the GOP? The Tom Cottons? Where are the new voices coming from? What does the GOP actually believe? Anything? Reince Preibus's "big tent" plan after the 2012 loss is dead. The anti-immigrant, xenophobic, racist GOP is suddenly going to disappear? These "millenial conservatvies" don't stand a chance against the base. But to get there, the millennial conservatives will need to persuade the base. The trick will be remaking the Republican Party into the right-tilting workers’ party of their dreams without collapsing into a new edition of the culture wars. “We have earned this moment,” Lettieri says. Whether his party will agree is the big question. To get there they will have to overcome not just the entrenched interests atop the GOP but also Trump’s own brand of chaos and confusion. They’ll have to get beyond the darker protests of the nativist, racist “alt right” that Trump has emboldened. “This is a generational challenge,” says one Capitol Hill millennial. “It’s about ‘build a consensus, get counterproposals,’ having the new people come in and provide new perspectives.” time.com/magazine/us/5421567/october-22nd-2018-vol-192-no-16-u-s/538 Trump's approval rating this morning: Disapprove 54.7 Approve 41.1
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 7:53:47 GMT -5
“In a lot of ways, I believe I saw civil rights being violated in order for a photo op. I’m here to support and defend the Constitution of the United States and what I just saw goes against my oath and to see everyone try to cover up what really happened."
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 10, 2020 8:15:24 GMT -5
538 Trump approval this morning
Disapprove: 54.9 Approve : 41.1
Real Clear Politics approval rating
Disapprove: 54.4 Approve : 42.6
Keep tweeting, sociopath.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 15:35:15 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 11, 2020 6:05:15 GMT -5
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Post by hoyatables on Jun 11, 2020 7:12:42 GMT -5
It’s true that the election is a referendum on Trump and that Biden needs to get out his voters. But I think it’s also true that whether many republicans oppose Trump publicly or actually support Biden this fall will depend in large part about who Biden chooses for his running mate. Can you name a VP pick that has moved the needle in any significant way throughout the history of this country? We treat the 2008 election as inevitable now, but McCains choice of Sarah Palin strikes me as meaningful. While that choice energized certain elements of the base (and you can draw a line from there to the current mess that masquerades as the GOP), it alienated a number of moderates and independents.
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