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Post by harwoodhoya on Oct 18, 2018 21:48:28 GMT -5
Gtown please focus more on locals and less on guys we have little or no chance to get....Too much talent around here!
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Post by MCIGuy on Oct 18, 2018 22:11:15 GMT -5
So many things wrong with this post I wouldn't know where to start.
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Post by bigelephant on Oct 18, 2018 22:37:44 GMT -5
So many things wrong with this post I wouldn't know where to start. You said it in a nutshell!
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Post by harwoodhoya on Oct 19, 2018 4:13:26 GMT -5
So many things wrong with this post I wouldn't know where to start. Explain....
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Post by harwoodhoya on Oct 19, 2018 4:13:42 GMT -5
So many things wrong with this post I wouldn't know where to start. You said it in a nutshell!Explain
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Post by hoyazeke on Oct 19, 2018 6:39:18 GMT -5
You said it in a nutshell!Explain Hardwood, the staff should focus on bringing in talented players that can help turn the program around no matter where they come from..... once the program is winning again, Ewing can focus on just getting the best players....at this stage we are just getting the good local players to consider us.....the big time local players are even listing us at this time. At least not seriously..... decent local players aren't going to get GTown back to the glory days.... imo
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Post by saxagael on Oct 19, 2018 9:17:37 GMT -5
The other problem is many local good players are looking to get out and play elsewhere. I've talked with quite a few local players who played for years with local top talent and when asking why a person didn't stay local, but the common answer was they wanted to get away from home and what is currently known to grow more.
Focussing on local talent is short-sighted. Georgetown has been doing a good job targeting good local top talent, but they also are looking at some of the top players from away from here as well.
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Post by turbohoya on Oct 19, 2018 9:26:47 GMT -5
Win basketball games with the best talent you can bring in, period...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2018 9:48:04 GMT -5
Don't see anything wrong with the OP's comment. It's not like he said don't recruit out of area, he just said he would like them to focus more on the DMV.
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Post by saxagael on Oct 19, 2018 10:26:41 GMT -5
Patrick and others have been heavily recruiting in the area. They are regularly at the top programs (schools and grassroots) looking at and talking to coaches and top players. This is covered rather well on this board. Of the top 20 or so players in the area they have offers out to about 10 of them in 2019 and 2020. The offers out fit where Patrick seems to be trying to focus the Hoya style of play.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Oct 19, 2018 11:22:27 GMT -5
Don't see anything wrong with the OP's comment. It's not like he said don't recruit out of area, he just said he would like them to focus more on the DMV. I agree that there’s nothing generally wrong with the comment, besides the assumption being made that Georgetown has more of a chance with local recruits than non local recruits which is debatable. The issue I see is determining how to measure this in a way that satisfies the OP. Is it percentage of recruits that are local vs non local? Percentage of offers? Percentage of commitments? There’s nothing wrong with recruiting locally, but there’s also nothing wrong with recruiting nationally and internationally. There needs to be a balance and so far it seems like Ewing is balancing that pretty fairly.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2018 14:29:16 GMT -5
Don't see anything wrong with the OP's comment. It's not like he said don't recruit out of area, he just said he would like them to focus more on the DMV. I agree that there’s nothing generally wrong with the comment, besides the assumption being made that Georgetown has more of a chance with local recruits than non local recruits which is debatable. The issue I see is determining how to measure this in a way that satisfies the OP. Is it percentage of recruits that are local vs non local? Percentage of offers? Percentage of commitments? There’s nothing wrong with recruiting locally, but there’s also nothing wrong with recruiting nationally and internationally. There needs to be a balance and so far it seems like Ewing is balancing that pretty fairly. I think he means be more visible around the DMV and active in recruiting the area in general, but you would have to ask him... You can go grocery shopping wherever you want but when you have one of the best markets in the country around the corner from your house... Personally I think they can be more visible in area. Usually it's a lot easier to land local kids that are regional or national recruits. I'm also fine with the way they've recruited up to this point that seems more based on fit than locality. That can also work in spots, but I do agree they could do more work in the DMV. That should be your bread and butter. By work I mean not just offers but recruiting. By recruiting I mean being seen at more games and open gyms, making sure you're forging relationships with the locals etc.. Or hire someone who already has those relationships built in.. It's not that it isn't happening, but it could be ramped up a level.
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Post by sleepy on Oct 19, 2018 14:43:13 GMT -5
Patrick and others have been heavily recruiting in the area. They are regularly at the top programs (schools and grassroots) looking at and talking to coaches and top players. This is covered rather well on this board. Of the top 20 or so players in the area they have offers out to about 10 of them in 2019 and 2020. The offers out fit where Patrick seems to be trying to focus the Hoya style of play. Reaching out to local grassroots is one thing . Key going forward is developing cultivating strong relationships with the so called grass roots operations in the DMV. My perception going back to when Patrick first came on board was that there was quite a bit of work that needed to be done not sure how or if this has changed overtime but I have always felt the staff needed someone with strong local long term relationships not sure we have that
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 19, 2018 14:47:54 GMT -5
Patrick and others have been heavily recruiting in the area. They are regularly at the top programs (schools and grassroots) looking at and talking to coaches and top players. This is covered rather well on this board. Of the top 20 or so players in the area they have offers out to about 10 of them in 2019 and 2020. The offers out fit where Patrick seems to be trying to focus the Hoya style of play. Reaching out to local grassroots is one thing . Key going forward is developing cultivating strong relationships with the so called grass roots operations in the DMV. My perception going back to when Patrick first came on board was that there was quite a bit of work that needed to be done not sure how or if this has changed overtime but I have always felt the staff needed someone with strong local long term relationships not sure we have that There could be other circumstance$$$ why the staff hasn't been as involved with local grassroots programs as some on here would like. Staff seems to have a good relationship with Team Loaded Virginia. Hopefully that continues after Walker's dismissal from the program. Not sure about other programs but it seems pretty obvious to those looking in from the outside that Ewing and the staff want nothing to do with Takeover....
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Post by saxagael on Oct 19, 2018 14:50:14 GMT -5
Patrick and others have been heavily recruiting in the area. They are regularly at the top programs (schools and grassroots) looking at and talking to coaches and top players. This is covered rather well on this board. Of the top 20 or so players in the area they have offers out to about 10 of them in 2019 and 2020. The offers out fit where Patrick seems to be trying to focus the Hoya style of play. Reaching out to local grassroots is one thing . Key going forward is developing cultivating strong relationships with the so called grass roots operations in the DMV. My perception going back to when Patrick first came on board was that there was quite a bit of work that needed to be done not sure how or if this has changed overtime but I have always felt the staff needed someone with strong local long term relationships not sure we have that Last year Ewing was all over the place at local top school games and was hitting local grassroots games. This year already he has been to over 10 local DMV top schools with one or more potential recruits, or players they already have offers out to. Patrick seems to head to local courts rather than turning on the tc for entertainment. His staff has been seen around quite a bit as well. I don’t remember anybody doing this as much since Big John.
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Post by saxagael on Oct 19, 2018 14:57:16 GMT -5
Reaching out to local grassroots is one thing . Key going forward is developing cultivating strong relationships with the so called grass roots operations in the DMV. My perception going back to when Patrick first came on board was that there was quite a bit of work that needed to be done not sure how or if this has changed overtime but I have always felt the staff needed someone with strong local long term relationships not sure we have that There could be other circumstance$$$ why the staff hasn't been as involved with local grassroots programs as some on here would like. Staff seems to have a good relationship with Team Loaded Virginia. Hopefully that continues after Walker's dismissal from the program. Not sure about other programs but it seems pretty obvious to those looking in from the outside that Ewing and the staff want nothing to do with Takeover.... Patrick and his staff have been at local tournament where Takeover was playing, but Takeover didn’t do well at that tourney. There are 8 top grassroots programs locally that they seem to have an eye on players in the program, which includes Takeover. They are heavily recruiting two players no, so no clue what you think is going on. He just went to Gonzaga the other day to visit the two they have offers out to and likely look at other players there.
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Post by dchoya72 on Oct 20, 2018 5:00:39 GMT -5
Patrick, I believe is doing an incredible job in recruiting...locally, regionally, nationally and internationally. Pretty soon, Georgetown will get a break and attracted some great talent. I thonk we're on the way there. The next three recruits will tell the tale. Serious big guard, serious power forward. And mature bigman and we are good to go. Patrick will have all we need to implement his system with players who can execute and have an improvisational quotient in their games.It will be interesting who takes the reins of leadership this year!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 7:17:33 GMT -5
Just win and the rest will take care of itself.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Oct 20, 2018 18:37:25 GMT -5
To me it’s about engendering trust and becoming a reliable partner. Winning will help but so will making good on promises. Continued success with Pickett will help. I thought it was huge that Trey Mines seems supportive of Walker without blaming Georgetown for his dismissal. He seems to be the only local AAU coach really enthusiastic about Georgetown. If staff successfully recruits Ace Baldwin and he then has a good experience with Georgetown, that should help open doors foR GU.
I really think the repair of the relationships in the DMV is going to take time. Having said that, activity should be ramped up. Being present is important. You have to go out and meet folks where they live. I wouldn’t cast stones at staff, though. Simply it’s a balancing act because Hoyas need to take players when they have an advantage. It is definitely a problem that the DMV is not their recruiting area. This problem has been years in the making and it’s going to take time to get out if it.
First step, make good on your promises to players and just win.
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Post by saxagael on Oct 20, 2018 18:53:09 GMT -5
To me it’s about engendering trust and becoming a reliable partner. Winning will help but so will making good on promises. Continued success with Pickett will help. I thought it was huge that Trey Mines seems supportive of Walker without blaming Georgetown for his dismissal. He seems to be the only local AAU coach really enthusiastic about Georgetown. If staff successfully recruits Ace Baldwin and he then has a good experience with Georgetown, that should help open doors foR GU. I really think the repair of the relationships in the DMV is going to take time. Having said that, activity should be ramped up. Being present is important. You have to go out and meet folks where they live. I wouldn’t cast stones at staff, though. Simply it’s a balancing act because Hoyas need to take players when they have an advantage. It is definitely a problem that the DMV is not their recruiting area. This problem has been years in the making and it’s going to take time to get out if it. First step, make good on your promises to players and just win. If you are around top grassroots tournaments Hoya staff is either there, or has been there when you get there. Like you said it takes time to develop relationships, but this past year the Hoya staff has done that with grassroots and DMV schools. With Baldwin, I don't know that he is the top PG the Hoyas have their eye on. I don't know that making connections with Baldwin's grassroots team would be a great win as they don't have that many players who get looks from D1. There are quite a few other programs that have their whole team, or at least 5 to 8 players getting top D1 offers that would definitely be worth connecting with, and looking at the offers out and where the Hoya staff has been going to open practices they are keeping those connections with players hot. There are also some grassroots programs that have good teams and players, but coaches like staying away from the programs and certain coaches who are looking for "extras". The thing that is going to get strange is the push for college interactions to only be through high school (I think this is going make a massive mess of things, particularly for players at public schools with coaches who have no interest in doing anything beyond their team play) and not allowing grassroots connections. This summer is when this switch could start.
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