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Oct 21, 2018 4:52:18 GMT -5
Post by HamptonHoya on Oct 21, 2018 4:52:18 GMT -5
To me it’s about engendering trust and becoming a reliable partner. Winning will help but so will making good on promises. Continued success with Pickett will help. I thought it was huge that Trey Mines seems supportive of Walker without blaming Georgetown for his dismissal. He seems to be the only local AAU coach really enthusiastic about Georgetown. If staff successfully recruits Ace Baldwin and he then has a good experience with Georgetown, that should help open doors foR GU. I really think the repair of the relationships in the DMV is going to take time. Having said that, activity should be ramped up. Being present is important. You have to go out and meet folks where they live. I wouldn’t cast stones at staff, though. Simply it’s a balancing act because Hoyas need to take players when they have an advantage. It is definitely a problem that the DMV is not their recruiting area. This problem has been years in the making and it’s going to take time to get out if it. First step, make good on your promises to players and just win. Is Georgetown known around the DMV for not following up on promises or not being above board?
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Post by saxagael on Oct 21, 2018 13:25:21 GMT -5
To me it’s about engendering trust and becoming a reliable partner. Winning will help but so will making good on promises. Continued success with Pickett will help. I thought it was huge that Trey Mines seems supportive of Walker without blaming Georgetown for his dismissal. He seems to be the only local AAU coach really enthusiastic about Georgetown. If staff successfully recruits Ace Baldwin and he then has a good experience with Georgetown, that should help open doors foR GU. I really think the repair of the relationships in the DMV is going to take time. Having said that, activity should be ramped up. Being present is important. You have to go out and meet folks where they live. I wouldn’t cast stones at staff, though. Simply it’s a balancing act because Hoyas need to take players when they have an advantage. It is definitely a problem that the DMV is not their recruiting area. This problem has been years in the making and it’s going to take time to get out if it. First step, make good on your promises to players and just win. Is Georgetown known around the DMV for not following up on promises of not being above board? No, Georgetown has always had a solid reputation on that front. Where it gets confusing for some is around offers that don't turn into commitments. Most teams will have 20 or more offers out and they will only be bringing in 3 to 5 players usually. Many programs will make an offer and tell the player what they need to work on or to convert the offer. Many programs don't know who they have offers out to at times. There is nothing formal about an offer other than saying, "we have interest in a player". Many programs will not comment about who they have actually made offers to. Georgetown seems to be rather open since Patrick has been at the Hilltop, I don't know how JTIII was. After an offer there may be unofficial visits, but until there is an official visit (or the rare occasion the commitment is signed without an official visit) is there any real understanding of actual real potential interest between a team and a player. Players who take a lot of unofficial visits and talk about them, often aren't seen too highly by top programs. Home visits are also another solid sign of serious interest, but there may be 10 to 15 of those or more compared to 3 to 5 players actually signing commitments. A lot of times fans or inexperienced high school or grassroots coaches try to overhype broken commitments when a player never had official visits nor even a home visit (often these coaches are looking for something from the colleges as well and hurts their player's chances). I can't think of a player for Georgetown that came with a coach, but there have been a lot of coaches that have tried to piggyback.
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Post by HamptonHoya on Oct 21, 2018 15:54:13 GMT -5
Is Georgetown known around the DMV for not following up on promises of not being above board? No, Georgetown has always had a solid reputation on that front. Where it gets confusing for some is around offers that don't turn into commitments. Most teams will have 20 or more offers out and they will only be bringing in 3 to 5 players usually. Many programs will make an offer and tell the player what they need to work on or to convert the offer. Many programs don't know who they have offers out to at times. There is nothing formal about an offer other than saying, "we have interest in a player". Many programs will not comment about who they have actually made offers to. Georgetown seems to be rather open since Patrick has been at the Hilltop, I don't know how JTIII was. After an offer there may be unofficial visits, but until there is an official visit (or the rare occasion the commitment is signed without an official visit) is there any real understanding of actual real potential interest between a team and a player. Players who take a lot of unofficial visits and talk about them, often aren't seen too highly by top programs. Home visits are also another solid sign of serious interest, but there may be 10 to 15 of those or more compared to 3 to 5 players actually signing commitments. A lot of times fans or inexperienced high school or grassroots coaches try to overhype broken commitments when a player never had official visits nor even a home visit (often these coaches are looking for something from the colleges as well and hurts their player's chances). I can't think of a player for Georgetown that came with a coach, but there have been a lot of coaches that have tried to piggyback. That makes sense. Thank you.
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Oct 22, 2018 2:02:24 GMT -5
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Post by harwoodhoya on Oct 22, 2018 2:02:24 GMT -5
I have talked to numerous top prospects and coaches in the area and one of the consistent comments I get is Gtown doesn’t show up like other schools. I didn’t say don’t recruit out of the area but Gtown isn’t hot right now to consistently compete with top 10 programs so let’s offer some of our local prospects a chance to play at home. I know some want to leave the area but I feel we chase kids who we have almost no chance to get when we shoulda been trying to stay in good graces with local kids that can play in our conference. People forget Michigan St made a living off of local kids especially from Flint before they became a national power. This area is flooded with studs let’s go after them too.
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Post by harwoodhoya on Oct 22, 2018 2:08:50 GMT -5
Also it’s time to realize its 2018; we have to highlight our program better. Everything’s a secret over there. No pictures or videos at the Kenner League. We still don’t even scrimmage at Hoya Madness...
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Oct 22, 2018 7:30:49 GMT -5
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Post by IDenj on Oct 22, 2018 7:30:49 GMT -5
Sounds like a cop out to me. I agree not winning doesn’t help out look but as this bribery scandal has shown, schools pay up to get access to top talent. Hoyas seemingly don’t play that game. UMCP does.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Oct 22, 2018 8:57:54 GMT -5
I don’t think we should ever “play the game.” I would sooner suck at hoops than to sacrifice the integrity of the school. This is Pat’s second year as head coach- relationships take time. Some high school seniors have been scouted since middle school.
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Post by seaweed on Oct 22, 2018 9:17:13 GMT -5
I have talked to numerous top prospects and coaches in the area and one of the consistent comments I get is Gtown doesn’t show up like other schools. I didn’t say don’t recruit out of the area but Gtown isn’t hot right now to consistently compete with top 10 programs so let’s offer some of our local prospects a chance to play at home. I know some want to leave the area but I feel we chase kids who we have almost no chance to get when we shoulda been trying to stay in good graces with local kids that can play in our conference. People forget Michigan St made a living off of local kids especially from Flint before they became a national power. This area is flooded with studs let’s go after them too. Pat didn't get where he is today by aiming low.
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Post by bostonfan on Oct 22, 2018 9:22:44 GMT -5
Georgetown University, and Hoya basketball, are a national "brand" so it makes sense to leverage that brand to recruit on a national basis if they think they have a reasonable chance at a recruit anywhere in the country. At the same time the DMV is one of the best recruiting areas in the entire country and building a strong base in your own backyard only seems to make sense. I don't think that the choice between national and local recruiting has to be an either/or type of choice. The local recruiting has some obvious advantages not only for the staff (less time, travel and expense), but also for the recruits. Local kids can watch the games on TV on a regular basis and also easily jump in a car and come see a game or visit the campus if they so desired.
I am not sure what might have happened but it did seem like Georgetown had lost some appeal with the local schools/AAU programs over the last few years, so hopefully Coach Ewing and his staff can change that perception and start attracting some of the high level local talent. The best programs in the country recruit nationally and if the Hoyas want to get back to a place where they are nationally relevant they need to be able to recruit both on a national and local level.
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Post by saxagael on Oct 22, 2018 10:36:07 GMT -5
I don’t think we should ever “play the game.” I would sooner suck at hoops than to sacrifice the integrity of the school. This is Pat’s second year as head coach- relationships take time. Some high school seniors have been scouted since middle school. Of the top 50 players 40 of them have been scouted since they were 12 or 13. Guiding a team of 13 year olds between games at a tournament with a 6'6" and two stunning players it is crazy to see the attention, getting shoulder tapped for insight, and the goal becomes not keeping the kids ready to play but keeping people away from them. Talking with the coach of the team and the stories he has it is nuts. Talking with coaches from other teams with 6'3" 13 year olds who play like fluid great shooting small guards and they already get calls from colleges about the kid's character, grades, ability to go to the next level, etc. Then you look at kids like Zion Harmon, who is out of the DMV, but moved to Kentucky to play high school varsity basketball in a top program as an 8th grader (he is class of 2020). He was also the top point guard for the USA 16U team as a 14yo and has been in the spotlight for a few years. Colleges have a big wall between them and young players after 6th grade and until their freshman year of high school, but they can not really interact with them directly until the summer after their freshman year. During this time colleges can contact the coaches, but can not get near the players nor their extended families. Starting with high school the coaches have contact and start building the relationship. If the kid is playing at a good high school program that is often where the contact begins. The good grassroots teams are tough as the rising sophomores are behind top of class juniors, which is where the big focus is and some rising seniors who still haven't committed, that have grown, or greatly improved their game. Patrick and his staff have been in some local DC school scouting players he has offers out to, but also those schools have loaded freshman classes coming in as well (the DMV 2020 class is deep at the top end). If like most schools all players practice together he has time to start getting to know the newer players.
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Feb 11, 2020 8:55:24 GMT -5
Post by hoyanewyorka on Feb 11, 2020 8:55:24 GMT -5
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Feb 11, 2020 8:57:07 GMT -5
Post by hoyanewyorka on Feb 11, 2020 8:57:07 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 3, 2020 9:59:09 GMT -5
Are we on our way to more regionalized recruiting within college basketball? I began to ask myself that last week and it was only supported when speaking with Cliff Omoruyi in preparing for his commitment on Saturday. “You see what is going on with the coronavirus, I have the chance to be able to do stuff from home instead of being a long-distance away,” Omoruyi said about the impact that it had on his college decision. Do I believe that it was the end-all, be-all for why he chose the local Rutgers program? I don’t. But whenever you have someone of his age that is worried about the what-if factor of going 3,000-miles away from home to college if he would have selected Arizona State, compared to being supported by his family that is just a 30-minue drive from the Rutgers campus, it is conceivable that it played a part. It seems earlier this century, as boosters were willing to fund private jets, recruiting budgets grew and conferences built their own television networks, recruiting went national. Then Trae Young, Anthony Edwards and recently Cade Cunningham choose local schools instead of traditional blue bloods, indicating regionalized recruiting had become more of a thing even before the coronavirus pandemic. On the college end, staffs may not have the same recruiting budgets due to the wide-ranging economic fallout ahead, from boosters cutting donations to NCAA tournament revenue being wiped out. However, it is the scarring impact from the pandemic on the prospect and his family that might also lead to more staying closer to home for college. “The big difference was the coronavirus. Once it hit, it kind of gave him a real meaning of what distance really is,” Omoruyi’s guardian Mohamed Oliver said. “Once all that stuff started to happen and everyone started to be quarantined, the first thing that was said was what would happen if this thing happened if he was out in Arizona. It all just started to make more sense to him with what he wanted.” That might become a more consistent refrain in the coming years. Welcome to 2020 college basketball recruiting as we now know it. basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/three-point-play-regionalized-recruiting-offseason-winners
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Apr 3, 2020 11:49:08 GMT -5
Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Apr 3, 2020 11:49:08 GMT -5
Great point, hoyaboya. I agree that the current public health situation could prove to be an important factor in any student's choice of school. If I was Brandon Murray and his family, and others still uncommitted, it would mean more to me today than it would have been at the end of last year.
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Jul 22, 2020 12:26:33 GMT -5
Post by hoyaboya on Jul 22, 2020 12:26:33 GMT -5
That is the question at hand on the Hilltop over the past few years, dating back to the final years of John Thompson III’s tenure, and the early going of Patrick Ewing. The questions began to swirl louder again last week whenever four-star wing and Maret School standout Quincy Allen picked Colorado. Hoyas’ fans began to rejoice whenever local Gonzaga standout Terrance Williams committed to the program last winter before making matters worse when he quickly flipped to Michigan. There has never been a lack of talent from the DMV and that continues to the case; whether it is Rivals150 targets picking the Wolverines, Maryland, Miami, Syracuse, Villanova, or Virginia, Georgetown has just not gotten over the hump for one reason or another. Maybe Ewing has to bring someone onto his staff that has deeper ties within the region. Does going all-out for a travel program director as in an Osman Bangura of Team Durant, Keith Stevens of Team Takeover, Donnell Dobbins of Team Thrill or Damon Handon of DC Premier help? It could not hurt but things do have to change. Georgetown is arguably a top-20 job in the sport and are facing a major rebuild as it sits among the lower half of the Big East. It is involved with a handful five-star prospects in the 2021 class but it does not look promising. basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/twitter-tuesday-duke-s-targets-malaki-branham-more
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