Your Republican Party

[hoyajinx]

Jun 12, 2023 5:01:39 GMT -5 SSHoya said:

America no longer has two parties devoted to a democratic system of self-government.

We have a Democratic party, which – notwithstanding a few glaring counter-examples, such as what the Democratic National Committee did to Bernie Sanders in 2016 – is still largely committed to democracy.

And we have a Republican party, which is careening at high velocity toward authoritarianism. OK, fascism.

We are witnessing the logical culmination of win-at-any-cost Trump Republican politics – scorched-earth tactics used by Republicans to entrench their power, with no justification other than that they can.

Democracy is about means. Under it, citizens don’t have to agree on ends (abortion, healthcare, guns or whatever else we disagree about) as long as we agree on democratic means for handling our disagreements.

But for Trump Republicans, the ends justify whatever means they choose – including expelling lawmakers, rigging elections through gerrymandering, refusing to raise the debt ceiling and denying the outcome of a legitimate presidential election.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/apr/15/the-modern-republican-party-fascism-robert-reich

The Democratic Party isn’t exactly a shining beacon for diversity of thought, but, compared to the Republican Party where you invariably get censured for even modest breaks from orthodoxy (unless you go further to the right where getting on board with White Nationalists is totally cool!), the Democratic Party seems like the epitome of tolerance and open-mindedness for diverse viewpoints. The censure on Tom Tillis for espousing largely popular nationwide POVs is ridiculous.

[SSHoya]

How abjectly stupid, ignorant, and cult-like are "Republicans?" They are willing to sacrifice America's national security in obeisance to their cult leader.

Republican primary voters say they're far more concerned that Donald Trump's indictment is politically motivated than his alleged conduct being a national security risk – and there's no evidence it's hurt his status as the clear front-runner for the 2024 nomination, at least not yet. He remains well ahead of rivals in both consideration and vote choice.

In fact, most Republican primary voters would not generally consider him keeping the alleged documents with nuclear systems or military plans to be a national security risk, in and of itself.

Most explicitly ruled out the charges announced in the indictment changing their views about Mr. Trump. Rather than being disqualifying in their eyes, even if he's ultimately convicted of a crime in the matter, they overwhelmingly feel he should still be able to serve as president again.

www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-news-poll-most-see-security-risk-after-trump-indictment/

[tashoya]

Jun 12, 2023 5:46:23 GMT -5 SSHoya said:

How abjectly stupid, ignorant, and cult-like are "Republicans?" They are willing to sacrifice America's national security in obeisance to their cult leader.

Republican primary voters say they're far more concerned that Donald Trump's indictment is politically motivated than his alleged conduct being a national security risk – and there's no evidence it's hurt his status as the clear front-runner for the 2024 nomination, at least not yet. He remains well ahead of rivals in both consideration and vote choice.

In fact, most Republican primary voters would not generally consider him keeping the alleged documents with nuclear systems or military plans to be a national security risk, in and of itself.

Most explicitly ruled out the charges announced in the indictment changing their views about Mr. Trump. Rather than being disqualifying in their eyes, even if he's ultimately convicted of a crime in the matter, they overwhelmingly feel he should still be able to serve as president again.

www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-news-poll-most-see-security-risk-after-trump-indictment/

They're not the only ones:

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/putin-s-pals-dream-up-fresh-plot-to-help-trump-beat-biden/ar-AA1crLu6?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=d5d59923cdd54c3c81f61a3435b7e25c&ei=64

[SSHoya]

Ha ha ha. The "leader" of the MAGA GOP impeached twice. indicted twice, now arrested and booked twice.

Double your pleasure. double your fun!

Maybe in August you can go for a trifecta with a Fulton County indictmrnt if Jack Smith doesn't beat Fani Willis to it on J6 indictments!

You "Republicans" - truly pathetic, criminal and corrupt.

[tashoya]

Here's a fun watch for you "fiscally responsible Republicans."

[tashoya]

Very much worth a watch, IMO:

[hoyarooter]

I love Jackie Goldberg, and I thank God that she's here in LA.

[tashoya]

How do you feel about this, "Republicans?"

[hoyarooter]

Jun 14, 2023 18:36:52 GMT -5 tashoya said:

How do you feel about this, "Republicans?"

Election integrity? We don't need no stinking election integrity.

[SSHoya]

Explanation: MAGA GOPers are authoritarian jerkwads.

As the country reckons with an unprecedented federal indictment of a former president, one of the most significant hurdles to a public resolution is arriving at a shared set of basic facts and priorities. And that’s particularly a challenge with the American right.

Multiple polls focused on the Trump classified documents case suggest that many, if not most, Republicans don’t particularly appreciate the potential gravity of the situation or its details. And it can’t simply be explained by mere partisanship.

www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/06/15/gops-remarkable-views-trumps-classified-documents/

[SSHoya]

Welcome to the Chaos Clown Caucus


A long list of conservatives left Washington this week accusing McCarthy and other GOP leaders of using budgetary “gimmicks” to create the false impression that they’re cutting 2024 outlays back to 2022 levels, rather than adopting the fundamental budget changes to realize those reductions and rein in deficit spending over the long haul.

The hard-liners are already threatening to oppose their own party’s spending bills when they hit the House floor later this year, undermining the Republicans’ leverage in the looming budget fight while heightening the chances of a government shutdown

thehill.com/homenews/house/4052548-gop-unrest-conservatives-threaten-to-tank-partys-2024-spending-bills/

[SSHoya]

I did not realize that both DeSantis and Abbott claim to be Catholic.

ORLANDO — The head of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops offered thinly veiled criticism Thursday of Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and others who have arranged the transporting of immigrants out of Republican-run border states to Democratic strongholds, calling the practice “problematic.”

During a news conference at the spring gathering of the USCCB in Orlando, Archbishop Timothy P. Broglio, who is the head of the USCCB and of the Archdiocese for the Military Services, was asked by a reporter about Republican governors transporting migrants from states such as Texas to places including California.

“I suppose if they’re transporting them to make a statement, then that seems to me to be problematic,” Broglio responded. “If you’re transporting them because those other states might be better able to respond to the immediate needs, well, then, that might be a way of responding to the problem. However, I suspect that it’s more to make a statement.”

The revelation triggered a rebuke from Bishop Mark Seitz, who oversees the Diocese of El Paso.

“Without going into the details of the politics of it, it does seem clear that they were being used not out of concern for the migrants but in an effort to make a political point,” Seitz told the Associated Press.

The bishop said he was troubled by the fact that DeSantis and Abbott, who also is Catholic, have participated in these acts while also invoking their faith in political contexts.

“When a person claims to be a Catholic, we assume that they are going to try and live according to Catholic teachings and Catholic principles,” Seitz said. “It is disturbing when they behave in a manner that really doesn’t respect these fundamental — really, gospel — principles, about the love of neighbor, the welcoming of the stranger, the care for those who are in need.”

In a separate interview Thursday with Religion News Service, Seitz said Catholic staffers who work with immigrants in his diocese now warn migrants to be wary of recruiters like those linked to DeSantis. He said he could see “parallels” in the actions of the Florida governor and Texas Gov. Greg Abbott and human traffickers, the latter sometimes referred to as coyotes, who prey on migrants.

www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2023/06/16/catholic-bishops-leader-criticizes-gop-governors-migrant-buses/

[DFW HOYA]

Jun 16, 2023 11:46:52 GMT -5 SSHoya said:

I did not realize that both DeSantis and Abbott claim to be Catholic.

Both governors are Catholic--there are no claims here. If one was baptized in the Church they remain Catholic unless they are excommunicated or are heretics, apostates, or schismatics.

Bishop Seitz is a good man and committed to migrant rights (he was the pastor at my parish before being elevated to the episcopacy in El Paso in 2013) but the use of the word "claim" is a poor choice of words at best. It's no better (and no more appropriate) than bishops that will tell you that Joe Biden and Gavin Newsom aren't "real" Catholics because they look the other way on abortion. Politics is replete with people who talk a big game and fall short but still come to Mass, and that's robustly preferred to those who clear out Lafayette Park to pose in front of a church they've never attended holding a book they've never read.

[SSHoya]

Jun 16, 2023 12:45:48 GMT -5 DFW HOYA said:

Jun 16, 2023 11:46:52 GMT -5 SSHoya said:

I did not realize that both DeSantis and Abbott claim to be Catholic.

Both governors are Catholic--there are no claims here. If one was baptized in the Church they remain Catholic unless they are excommunicated or are heretics, apostates, or schismatics. Bishop Seitz is a good man and committed to migrant rights issues (he was the pastor at my church in Dallas before being elevated to the episcopacy in El Paso) but the use of the word "claim" is a poor choice of words at best. It's no better (and no more appropriate) than those in the Church that will tell you that Joe Biden and Gavin Newsom aren't "real" Catholics because they look the other way on abortion. Politics is replete with people who talk a big game and fall short but still come to Mass, and that's robustly preferred to those who clear out Lafayette Park to pose in front of a church they've never attended holding a book they've never read.

I'm just using the same word used by Bishop Seitz. Calm down. Sheesh.

“When a person claims to be a Catholic, we assume that they are going to try and live according to Catholic teachings and Catholic principles,” Seitz said

[DFW HOYA]

Jun 16, 2023 12:48:30 GMT -5 SSHoya said:

I'm just using the same word used by Bishop Seitz. Calm down. Sheesh.

No calming required. I said his use of the word was unfortunate, not yours.

[hoyarooter]

Jun 16, 2023 11:46:52 GMT -5 SSHoya said:

I did not realize that both DeSantis and Abbott claim to be Catholic.

ORLANDO — The head of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops offered thinly veiled criticism Thursday of Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and others who have arranged the transporting of immigrants out of Republican-run border states to Democratic strongholds, calling the practice “problematic.”

During a news conference at the spring gathering of the USCCB in Orlando, Archbishop Timothy P. Broglio, who is the head of the USCCB and of the Archdiocese for the Military Services, was asked by a reporter about Republican governors transporting migrants from states such as Texas to places including California.

“I suppose if they’re transporting them to make a statement, then that seems to me to be problematic,” Broglio responded. “If you’re transporting them because those other states might be better able to respond to the immediate needs, well, then, that might be a way of responding to the problem. However, I suspect that it’s more to make a statement.”

The revelation triggered a rebuke from Bishop Mark Seitz, who oversees the Diocese of El Paso.

“Without going into the details of the politics of it, it does seem clear that they were being used not out of concern for the migrants but in an effort to make a political point,” Seitz told the Associated Press.

The bishop said he was troubled by the fact that DeSantis and Abbott, who also is Catholic, have participated in these acts while also invoking their faith in political contexts.

“When a person claims to be a Catholic, we assume that they are going to try and live according to Catholic teachings and Catholic principles,” Seitz said. “It is disturbing when they behave in a manner that really doesn’t respect these fundamental — really, gospel — principles, about the love of neighbor, the welcoming of the stranger, the care for those who are in need.”

In a separate interview Thursday with Religion News Service, Seitz said Catholic staffers who work with immigrants in his diocese now warn migrants to be wary of recruiters like those linked to DeSantis. He said he could see “parallels” in the actions of the Florida governor and Texas Gov. Greg Abbott and human traffickers, the latter sometimes referred to as coyotes, who prey on migrants.

www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2023/06/16/catholic-bishops-leader-criticizes-gop-governors-migrant-buses/

Is "problematic" the best word he can come up with? How about deplorable? I guess for a bishop, problematic is pretty strong, since he's trying to be circumspect.

[SSHoya]

A truly deplorable cult/party and that POS McCarthy let's them do this. I guess our HoyaTalk "Republicans" are all good with this, right? I can't imagine what moral gymnastics one goes through to associate with such a disgusting fascist cult.

As Trump is arraigned, Republicans honor the insurrectionists

Donald Trump could not have asked for a nicer arraignment-day celebration.

During the very same hour in which the former president surrendered to federal authorities in Miami, his Republican allies in the House were, in their most visible and official way yet, embracing as heroes and martyrs the people who sacked the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, in hopes of overturning Trump’s election defeat.

In the Capitol complex, Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.), with sidekick Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) and four other far-right lawmakers, held a “hearing” that honored participants in the riot, family members of Jan. 6 rioters and organizers of the attempted overthrow of the 2020 vote.

www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/06/16/house-gop-trump-indictment-reaction-jan-6/

[SSHoya]

The political tide is turning for former President Donald Trump, who once seemed untouchable to challengers because of his large, loyal base of voters and is now facing more criticism from Republican opponents and leaders in his party.

It goes beyond primary contenders, though. Trump's latest challenge comes from Brad Raffensperger, the Republican Georgia secretary of state he pressured to overturn 2020 election results during a recorded conference call on Jan. 2, 2021. The hour-long call prompted a criminal investigation in Fulton County, with a charging decision anticipated this summer.

Trump has frequently attacked Raffensperger at his rallies, including Saturday when he again described it as a "perfect" call and made unsubstantiated claims about the election. It ultimately led the Georgia crowd to boo Raffensperger.

Now Raffensperger is fighting back. He told WRBL on Thursday it might be time for him and Trump to meet − on the debate stage

www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/06/16/brad-raffensperger-fights-back-trump-attacks/70328983007/

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