RBHoya
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Post by RBHoya on Sept 4, 2020 19:09:07 GMT -5
Assuming there's fire with all this smoke, wish him the best. Knoxville is a cool college town, which will give him an experience very different than what he would have gotten at Georgetown. If that's what he's looking for, more power to him. Basketball-wise it seems to be a pretty good situation.
I'd tend to agree with those saying that it's a bigger loss perception-wise than on the court, mostly because I believe in the guys we brought in 2 classes back. Barring something unforeseen, Q is our starting center the next 2-3 years and will probably be one of the best centers in the conference. Tim obviously has prodigious natural abilities and with a few more years of experience and coaching I expect he'll go from a playable backup to a starting-caliber center or better. And I still have all of my Malcolm Wilson stock. His shot blocking ability is elite, and his mobility makes him an ideal modern center capable of both protecting the rim and switching everything. I still think he has potential to be excellent, and remember that he's effectively a freshman this coming year. Given what we have on the team already, there's a strong argument for skipping the center position in 2021 and instead focusing on trying to bring in a high level big in 2022 like Clingan or Aire.
All that said, it's disappointing. We had a little positive momentum going there, landing a good transfer in Carey plus Riley and Billingsley. I know many are comforting themselves about the loss of Mutombo by saying "No problem, we'll just get Jakai or Aminu or Baldwin" but I'm not sure the odds favor that. Seems more likely that we'll end up with one of the guys who we're recruiting but not talking about (ie. Camryn Carter), or a late bloomer in spring (like what happened with Clark, Holloway and Berger last year), or a transfer or grad transfer of some kind. Not the end of the world, but I do still think that there's room for improvement in our recruiting. When you zoom out, given the results on the floor the last 3 years and the massive exodus of talent that we've seen since last fall, I'm not sure that landing a couple of 3 star, fringe Top-150 types like Riley and Billingsley is enough to make me feel like we're conclusively headed in the right direction (and yes, I know there's an argument that Riley is better than his current ranking). Year after year we lose local recruits who feel like obvious fits, and then say, "Well, maybe they wanted to go away for college." Losing Ryan feels the same way--he's not local, but has been extremely close to the program and its coach for a long time. And yea, obviously he wanted something different out of his college experience. But how many times do you have to hear that kind of thing before realizing maybe its you that's the problem?
Anyway, we can still salvage this by adding a quality player with the 4th open scholarship in 2021 and by landing a quality big man in 2022--certainly in the realm of possibility. But still, it's a bit of a reminder that even though we've had some positive recruiting news the last couple months, we still have work to do. Here's hoping that we can shock the world with Aminu or one of the other big fish.
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Post by hsaxon on Sept 4, 2020 20:15:22 GMT -5
Assuming there's fire with all this smoke, wish him the best. Knoxville is a cool college town, which will give him an experience very different than what he would have gotten at Georgetown. If that's what he's looking for, more power to him. Basketball-wise it seems to be a pretty good situation. I'd tend to agree with those saying that it's a bigger loss perception-wise than on the court, mostly because I believe in the guys we brought in 2 classes back. Barring something unforeseen, Q is our starting center the next 2-3 years and will probably be one of the best centers in the conference. Tim obviously has prodigious natural abilities and with a few more years of experience and coaching I expect he'll go from a playable backup to a starting-caliber center or better. And I still have all of my Malcolm Wilson stock. His shot blocking ability is elite, and his mobility makes him an ideal modern center capable of both protecting the rim and switching everything. I still think he has potential to be excellent, and remember that he's effectively a freshman this coming year. Given what we have on the team already, there's a strong argument for skipping the center position in 2021 and instead focusing on trying to bring in a high level big in 2022 like Clingan or Aire. All that said, it's disappointing. We had a little positive momentum going there, landing a good transfer in Carey plus Riley and Billingsley. I know many are comforting themselves about the loss of Mutombo by saying "No problem, we'll just get Jakai or Aminu or Baldwin" but I'm not sure the odds favor that. Seems more likely that we'll end up with one of the guys who we're recruiting but not talking about (ie. Camryn Carter), or a late bloomer in spring (like what happened with Clark, Holloway and Berger last year), or a transfer or grad transfer of some kind. Not the end of the world, but I do still think that there's room for improvement in our recruiting. When you zoom out, given the results on the floor the last 3 years and the massive exodus of talent that we've seen since last fall, I'm not sure that landing a couple of 3 star, fringe Top-150 types like Riley and Billingsley is enough to make me feel like we're conclusively headed in the right direction (and yes, I know there's an argument that Riley is better than his current ranking). Year after year we lose local recruits who feel like obvious fits, and then say, "Well, maybe they wanted to go away for college." Losing Ryan feels the same way--he's not local, but has been extremely close to the program and its coach for a long time. And yea, obviously he wanted something different out of his college experience. But how many times do you have to hear that kind of thing before realizing maybe its you that's the problem? Anyway, we can still salvage this by adding a quality player with the 4th open scholarship in 2021 and by landing a quality big man in 2022--certainly in the realm of possibility. But still, it's a bit of a reminder that even though we've had some positive recruiting news the last couple months, we still have work to do. Here's hoping that we can shock the world with Aminu or one of the other big fish. He has not committed yet. Let's wait and see. It seems too early to be talking "loss" and salvage."
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Sept 4, 2020 20:50:51 GMT -5
He is a good player and has the chance to have a good career. I’d love if he suited up for us and learned under the tutelage of one of the greatest centers of all time. I understand he may not want the pressure that goes along with being a legacy of his stature or he simply desires to build his own colored path. He is definitely a solid pro spect and a good center. That said, BASED ON HIS FILM, do people think he’d be ranked top 100 or 150 if his name wasn’t Mutombo? I just don’t see it, and it’s not necessarily his game but it’s hard to gauge what he’s doing against his level of competition. And quite frankly gets less lift than Greg Monroe, but isn’t anywhere nearly as skilled. I’m just wondering if people are getting caught up in his ranking a bit? Like, how does he compare to Q coming in? Imo, based on what I’ve seen upto this point Q seemed a more promising prospect at the same time. Curious to see what others think though.
And for those of you who are drooling at the mouth getting ready to call this a horrible/toxic topic of conversation that’ demeans the kid, just please don’t. Maybe skip this convo and go enjoy the long weekend.
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hoya73
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Post by hoya73 on Sept 4, 2020 21:19:58 GMT -5
Gotta give you credit for consistency. Then again, there is that whole hobgoblin thing. They have dark orange or red-orange skin with hair that is red-brown to dark gray.[21] Their training has given them a proficiency with a multitude of weapons and armor. They are the strategic thinkers in the goblinoid race and hold an extreme hatred for elves. Their cavalry is known to ride worgs.[21] The hobgoblin fears cowardice more than dying. They start becoming soldiers the minute they can start walking. They have a high military standard, but they are not just a military. They have farms, traditions, and they build. However, under all of this, they are brutal and have "little space for joy or leisure in their lives" versus a giant creature of yellowish-green complexion with thin, ropey limbs that end in savagely hooked claws. They have sharply pointed facial features, and walk with a hunched, loping gait, somewhere between a chimp and a humanoid. Credit the dungeonsdragons.fandom.com/wiki for the above descriptions. I suspect clearly the later! I took Frazier Fanatic's comment as alluding to a line from Emerson's Self-Reliance |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 4, 2020 21:34:54 GMT -5
They have dark orange or red-orange skin with hair that is red-brown to dark gray.[21] Their training has given them a proficiency with a multitude of weapons and armor. They are the strategic thinkers in the goblinoid race and hold an extreme hatred for elves. Their cavalry is known to ride worgs.[21] The hobgoblin fears cowardice more than dying. They start becoming soldiers the minute they can start walking. They have a high military standard, but they are not just a military. They have farms, traditions, and they build. However, under all of this, they are brutal and have "little space for joy or leisure in their lives" versus a giant creature of yellowish-green complexion with thin, ropey limbs that end in savagely hooked claws. They have sharply pointed facial features, and walk with a hunched, loping gait, somewhere between a chimp and a humanoid. Credit the dungeonsdragons.fandom.com/wiki for the above descriptions. I suspect clearly the later! I took Frazier Fanatic's comment as alluding to a line from Emerson's Self-Reliance Verily. |
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Post by bicentennial on Sept 5, 2020 15:56:31 GMT -5
I took Frazier Fanatic's comment as alluding to a line from Emerson's Self-Reliance Verily. My bad. I see how that fits as well or better. |
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madhoya
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Post by madhoya on Sept 8, 2020 22:33:19 GMT -5
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Post by madhoya on Sept 8, 2020 22:43:41 GMT -5
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millerj9
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Post by millerj9 on Sept 8, 2020 23:30:29 GMT -5
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SDHoya
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Post by SDHoya on Sept 8, 2020 23:40:09 GMT -5
Translation—I have no clue what’s going on but on HoyaTalk people are freaking out. |
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kghoya
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Post by kghoya on Sept 8, 2020 23:50:39 GMT -5
Meyer did a great job of saying absolutely nothing
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Post by HeartAttackHoya on Sept 9, 2020 8:37:02 GMT -5
Meyer did a great job of saying absolutely nothing For what it’s worth he both liked and commented “👀👀” on yesterday’s 4 start Tennessee commit (Mashback) |
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Post by professorhoya on Sept 9, 2020 20:15:40 GMT -5
Translation—I have no clue what’s going on but on HoyaTalk people are freaking out. Exactly, my sources (Hoyatalk) |
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jwp91
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Post by jwp91 on Sept 15, 2020 12:33:14 GMT -5
On The Dawgtalk interview of Coach Brown with Chris Wright and Austin Freeman, they both commented and expressed disappointment that Ryan had committed to Tennessee. It was matter of fact.
I wonder if they have inside sources.
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Post by augustusfinknottle on Sept 15, 2020 13:19:47 GMT -5
On The Dawgtalk interview of Coach Brown with Chris Wright and Austin Freeman, they both commented and expressed disappointment that Ryan had committed to Tennessee. It was matter of fact. I wonder if they have inside sources. It would be odd if they did not. |
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dchoya72
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Post by dchoya72 on Sept 15, 2020 13:56:56 GMT -5
If we play Tennessee, kick their @$$&$!! Call this over!!
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Sept 15, 2020 14:09:50 GMT -5
Tweet from yesterday. If it’s a done deal to Tennessee, why would he drag this out until Spring?
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Sept 15, 2020 14:11:03 GMT -5
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jwp91
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Post by jwp91 on Sept 15, 2020 14:53:22 GMT -5
Could be a silent commitment of which the coaches are aware but is not announced publicly 🤷♂️
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Sept 15, 2020 15:06:49 GMT -5
OK, good luck Ryan. Coach Ewing will bring success to the Hoyas regardless.
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