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Post by trillesthoya on Sept 3, 2020 9:17:34 GMT -5
While don't get me wrong, I'd love to have Ryan join the Hoyas, I am not sure this is the death blow some are making it out to be. If Ryan had a different last name and we lost him to Tennessee, I am not sure there'd be as big a reaction from this board.The bolded part is definitely true. But, I think that's the point. There is no expectation that the staff is going to pull in a somewhat random top 100 recruit. I mean, even the best recruiting programs still whiff on a lot of important targets. From the perspective of not getting one player, it's not a big deal. However, it is a big deal in the sense that (a) Georgetown has always stressed its tight family, (b) Dikembe Mutombo is part of that family and has always been (and still is) a big cheerleader for Georgetown, and (c) we basically have every advantage in recruiting Ryan, and we might miss out on him anyway. I think that last part is the driver of sentiment here. As I stated earlier in the thread, if we cannot pull in a guy like Ryan, with all the advantages we have, how are we going to fare recruiting other top 100 guys with no preexisting connection to Georgetown? I think people are more upset about how it reflects on the program as a whole - it is about more than recruiting one top 100 center. I also think this would matter less, if we didn't just lose an entire recruiting class to transfers and have such a big turnover this past year. I think in the case of Ryan it is the same as say landing D.C. kids. Sometimes your best advantage is also the thing that makes it impossible to land certain recruits in particular. In the case of legacy recruits, some guys no matter what just don't want to follow in their dad's footsteps no matter what you do. Similarly sometimes local kids no matter what you do want to get away from home. I respect those kids for making those tough decisions, but I don't think it's as simple as we should've landed Ryan because he's a legacy when arguably the reason we didn't land him is BECAUSE he's a legacy. |
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Sept 3, 2020 9:19:23 GMT -5
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Post by lichoya68 on Sept 3, 2020 9:19:45 GMT -5
ok on hoya locker room when gene asked trey about ryan he said HE HAS GOT TO DECIDE to be comfortable and it IS tough to follow your dad ie little pat little trey so whatever he decides you gotta wanna be a hoya good luck to him go hoyas
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 3, 2020 10:05:52 GMT -5
The bolded part is definitely true. But, I think that's the point. There is no expectation that the staff is going to pull in a somewhat random top 100 recruit. I mean, even the best recruiting programs still whiff on a lot of important targets. From the perspective of not getting one player, it's not a big deal. However, it is a big deal in the sense that (a) Georgetown has always stressed its tight family, (b) Dikembe Mutombo is part of that family and has always been (and still is) a big cheerleader for Georgetown, and (c) we basically have every advantage in recruiting Ryan, and we might miss out on him anyway. I think that last part is the driver of sentiment here. As I stated earlier in the thread, if we cannot pull in a guy like Ryan, with all the advantages we have, how are we going to fare recruiting other top 100 guys with no preexisting connection to Georgetown? I think people are more upset about how it reflects on the program as a whole - it is about more than recruiting one top 100 center. I also think this would matter less, if we didn't just lose an entire recruiting class to transfers and have such a big turnover this past year. I think in the case of Ryan it is the same as say landing D.C. kids. Sometimes your best advantage is also the thing that makes it impossible to land certain recruits in particular. In the case of legacy recruits, some guys no matter what just don't want to follow in their dad's footsteps no matter what you do. Similarly sometimes local kids no matter what you do want to get away from home. I respect those kids for making those tough decisions, but I don't think it's as simple as we should've landed Ryan because he's a legacy when arguably the reason we didn't land him is BECAUSE he's a legacy. Exactly. It says nothing about our recruiting. IF it turns out that way, it is solely because Ryan wants to play outside the shadow of his father. Of course even at Tennessee, every broadcast will include references to his father. |
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Post by thedragon on Sept 3, 2020 10:06:14 GMT -5
This woe is me, if Georgetown can't get the son of Mutombo something is wrong talk is foolish. I and others made it clear months ago that Ryan did NOT want to follow in his fathers footsteps. The fact Ewing made a pitch that even got Ryan to think about it was a bit of a surprise. Many kids do not want to play in their father's shadow. Furthermore, many kids don't want to play for a close friend of their father. Its like the kid who dreads going to the school where their mom/dad is principal.
I wouldve loved to have added Ryan, and maybe like PE Jr. he finds a home here down the road. But if going to Tennessee doesn't make it evident that not going to Georgetown was a priority for Ryan - then I dont know what is. Move on.
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Post by augustusfinknottle on Sept 3, 2020 10:51:20 GMT -5
The bolded part is definitely true. But, I think that's the point. There is no expectation that the staff is going to pull in a somewhat random top 100 recruit. I mean, even the best recruiting programs still whiff on a lot of important targets. From the perspective of not getting one player, it's not a big deal. However, it is a big deal in the sense that (a) Georgetown has always stressed its tight family, (b) Dikembe Mutombo is part of that family and has always been (and still is) a big cheerleader for Georgetown, and (c) we basically have every advantage in recruiting Ryan, and we might miss out on him anyway. I think that last part is the driver of sentiment here. As I stated earlier in the thread, if we cannot pull in a guy like Ryan, with all the advantages we have, how are we going to fare recruiting other top 100 guys with no preexisting connection to Georgetown? I think people are more upset about how it reflects on the program as a whole - it is about more than recruiting one top 100 center. I also think this would matter less, if we didn't just lose an entire recruiting class to transfers and have such a big turnover this past year. I think in the case of Ryan it is the same as say landing D.C. kids. Sometimes your best advantage is also the thing that makes it impossible to land certain recruits in particular. In the case of legacy recruits, some guys no matter what just don't want to follow in their dad's footsteps no matter what you do. Similarly sometimes local kids no matter what you do want to get away from home. I respect those kids for making those tough decisions, but I don't think it's as simple as we should've landed Ryan because he's a legacy when arguably the reason we didn't land him is BECAUSE he's a legacy. This would be more credible had he not previously been seen as odds on to come to Georgetown. One wonders what his reasons would have been, in the end, for not choosing to come and if any of those might be the same ones that caused others to leave. |
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Post by trillesthoya on Sept 3, 2020 10:59:07 GMT -5
I think in the case of Ryan it is the same as say landing D.C. kids. Sometimes your best advantage is also the thing that makes it impossible to land certain recruits in particular. In the case of legacy recruits, some guys no matter what just don't want to follow in their dad's footsteps no matter what you do. Similarly sometimes local kids no matter what you do want to get away from home. I respect those kids for making those tough decisions, but I don't think it's as simple as we should've landed Ryan because he's a legacy when arguably the reason we didn't land him is BECAUSE he's a legacy. This would be more credible had he not been seen as odds on to come to Georgetown. One wonders what his reasons would be for not choosing to come and if some of those reasons might be the same ones that caused others to leave. Probably as simple as he didn't want to go to Georgetown but the only school seriously interested in him that was high major was us until Tennessee came calling. He received plenty of offers but his lackluster summer probably pushed most of those programs away. Allegedly Stanford and Georgia were on him but unclear if that means they were on him hard or just keeping the conversation going. Tennessee's last minute success tells you they probably just told him alright we want you now that we missed out on Banchero. |
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Post by blueandgray on Sept 3, 2020 11:06:41 GMT -5
Dikembe made it very clear to me that while he wishes his son would attend G’town....he wouldn’t interfere with his son’s decision. I absolutely respect that.
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Post by rockhoya on Sept 3, 2020 11:22:09 GMT -5
While don't get me wrong, I'd love to have Ryan join the Hoyas, I am not sure this is the death blow some are making it out to be. If Ryan had a different last name and we lost him to Tennessee, I am not sure there'd be as big a reaction from this board.The bolded part is definitely true. But, I think that's the point. There is no expectation that the staff is going to pull in a somewhat random top 100 recruit. I mean, even the best recruiting programs still whiff on a lot of important targets. From the perspective of not getting one player, it's not a big deal. However, it is a big deal in the sense that (a) Georgetown has always stressed its tight family, (b) Dikembe Mutombo is part of that family and has always been (and still is) a big cheerleader for Georgetown, and (c) we basically have every advantage in recruiting Ryan, and we might miss out on him anyway. I think that last part is the driver of sentiment here. As I stated earlier in the thread, if we cannot pull in a guy like Ryan, with all the advantages we have, how are we going to fare recruiting other top 100 guys with no preexisting connection to Georgetown? I think people are more upset about how it reflects on the program as a whole - it is about more than recruiting one top 100 center. I also think this would matter less, if we didn't just lose an entire recruiting class to transfers and have such a big turnover this past year. It doesn’t reflect on the program though, has this week not taught you that by now? This is clearly about Ryan not wanting the pressure of following in his father’s footsteps. |
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Post by rockhoya on Sept 3, 2020 11:24:15 GMT -5
I think in the case of Ryan it is the same as say landing D.C. kids. Sometimes your best advantage is also the thing that makes it impossible to land certain recruits in particular. In the case of legacy recruits, some guys no matter what just don't want to follow in their dad's footsteps no matter what you do. Similarly sometimes local kids no matter what you do want to get away from home. I respect those kids for making those tough decisions, but I don't think it's as simple as we should've landed Ryan because he's a legacy when arguably the reason we didn't land him is BECAUSE he's a legacy. This would be more credible had he not previously been seen as odds on to come to Georgetown. One wonders what his reasons would have been, in the end, for not choosing to come and if any of those might be the same ones that caused others to leave. The assumptions of where Mutombo has been leaning, GU or elsewhere, are what’s not credible actually. |
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Post by hoyadimes on Sept 3, 2020 13:17:00 GMT -5
Although I'd love to see Ryan in a Hoya jersey, I have to agree with anyone who says it may be no reflection at all on the state of the program if Ryan chooses to go elsewhere. As with our own children is anything, its up to Ryan to choose his own path. If he doesn't desire Georgetown, why would we want him? None of the Rivers kids went to Marquette, Pat Jr started out at Indiana, the Curry kids passed on Virginia Tech and the list goes on and on. With all that being said.....COME HOME RYAN!! Hahaha!!
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Post by blueandgray on Sept 3, 2020 13:29:44 GMT -5
Tennessee is a pre-season top 10 program. I am sure that is a factor he is weighing. Not sure how much he would play...but still.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Sept 3, 2020 13:32:24 GMT -5
Oh well if he does go elsewhere I wish him the best. Also, I'm sure the GU staff have other options to work with, sometimes legacy recruits isn't all what it is made out to be.  |
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Post by hoyas89 on Sept 3, 2020 13:35:30 GMT -5
Tennessee is a pre-season top 10 program. I am sure that is a factor he is weighing. Not sure how much he would play...but still. That may be a factor. Seems pretty short-sighted. Top 10 today means zero re next year and future. Thought education was important? Not knocking Tenn in absolute terms just not the same hemisphere as Gtown, GT and Stanford academically. Just doesn't want to be a Hoya. OK. |
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Post by madgesiq92 on Sept 3, 2020 13:41:17 GMT -5
Let’s stop pretending we are run a “family program” and using it as an excuse when we lose out on 4 or 5 star recruits— when we can’t attract meaningful recruits that have connections to the legacy of the program. As for Ryan Mutombo, I don’t wish him anymore luck then I wished Nerlens Noel.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Sept 3, 2020 13:42:43 GMT -5
While don't get me wrong, I'd love to have Ryan join the Hoyas, I am not sure this is the death blow some are making it out to be. If Ryan had a different last name and we lost him to Tennessee, I am not sure there'd be as big a reaction from this board.The bolded part is definitely true. But, I think that's the point. There is no expectation that the staff is going to pull in a somewhat random top 100 recruit. I mean, even the best recruiting programs still whiff on a lot of important targets. From the perspective of not getting one player, it's not a big deal. However, it is a big deal in the sense that (a) Georgetown has always stressed its tight family, (b) Dikembe Mutombo is part of that family and has always been (and still is) a big cheerleader for Georgetown, and (c) we basically have every advantage in recruiting Ryan, and we might miss out on him anyway. I think that last part is the driver of sentiment here. As I stated earlier in the thread, if we cannot pull in a guy like Ryan, with all the advantages we have, how are we going to fare recruiting other top 100 guys with no preexisting connection to Georgetown? I think people are more upset about how it reflects on the program as a whole - it is about more than recruiting one top 100 center. I also think this would matter less, if we didn't just lose an entire recruiting class to transfers and have such a big turnover this past year. +1 |
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Post by trillesthoya on Sept 3, 2020 13:43:48 GMT -5
Tennessee is a pre-season top 10 program. I am sure that is a factor he is weighing. Not sure how much he would play...but still. He will play. By the time he hits campus I'm pretty sure he will be their only real center. |
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Post by trotters10 on Sept 3, 2020 13:52:06 GMT -5
And that is why I believe Ryan appears to be going to Tennessee, for playing time.
He's aware he probably would have to sit behind Qudus in the pecking order next season.
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Post by bornhoya on Sept 3, 2020 14:18:05 GMT -5
Although I'd love to see Ryan in a Hoya jersey, I have to agree with anyone who says it may be no reflection at all on the state of the program if Ryan chooses to go elsewhere. As with our own children is anything, its up to Ryan to choose his own path. If he doesn't desire Georgetown, why would we want him? None of the Rivers kids went to Marquette, Pat Jr started out at Indiana, the Curry kids passed on Virginia Tech and the list goes on and on. With all that being said.....COME HOME RYAN!! Hahaha!! The Curry kids didn’t pass on Tech, Tech passed on the Curry kids that’s why Greenberg is on ESPN right now |
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Post by mdtd on Sept 3, 2020 14:35:42 GMT -5
Tennessee is a pre-season top 10 program. I am sure that is a factor he is weighing. Not sure how much he would play...but still. He will play. By the time he hits campus I'm pretty sure he will be their only real center. I think they'll get someone else to play, too. I'd be shocked if Barnes doesn't try to land either a grad transfer or another prospect. Also they have seven footer in Uros Plavsic, who's a redshirt sophomore. |
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