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Post by hoyalove4ever on Sept 2, 2020 15:18:32 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Sept 2, 2020 15:27:10 GMT -5
Eh, not too concerned.
If he wants to be here he’ll come.
If he wants to get away like Peyton Manning more power to him,
But it’s not Ole Miss fault for “blowing it”.
It’s the kids decision, nobody else’s
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Post by trillesthoya on Sept 2, 2020 15:33:02 GMT -5
Far more likely Tennessee is just turning up the heat on him since they whiffed on Paolo Banchero. He didn’t list Tennessee in his top three schools a couple weeks ago in Tipton’s tweet which tells you they only got interested very recently. Don’t think his flip to Tenn says anything about our chances with our other options. Isn't Banchero a wing player? Would Tenn. make switch to pursuing a center when they just lost out on a wing target? I guess they could figure they had an available scholarship after not getting the other player and the position didn't really matter, but it didn't sound like they were even remotely involved with Ryan a few weeks ago. Recruiting is a always a very fluid situation and things change fast so I am not saying the Vols are not involved, it just seems odd. No. Listed as a 4/5. He's undersized for a 5 but most recruiting places have him as a center. Likely a college power forward but either way definitely way more of a "big" than a wing. |
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Post by daveg023 on Sept 2, 2020 15:37:01 GMT -5
Something about the Baldwin details and this sudden change to Tennessee would have me optimistically thinking the two things are correlated? Perhaps did we find out we are really in the running and suddenly we didn't have enough chairs for when the music stopped? Just strikes me as interesting timing, especially in the wake of JT II's passing this week as well... I will have what you are smoking! Only the finest... But yea I know it's an unlikely scenario, but it just feels odd to me. We may never know... |
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Post by coach98 on Sept 2, 2020 17:02:31 GMT -5
Rick Barnes is an elite recruiter. Tennessee could have the best 2021 class. I wouldn't bet against him having swooped in and stolen Ryan.
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Post by TC on Sept 2, 2020 17:10:33 GMT -5
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Post by hoyazeke on Sept 2, 2020 18:03:50 GMT -5
Far more likely Tennessee is just turning up the heat on him since they whiffed on Paolo Banchero. He didn’t list Tennessee in his top three schools a couple weeks ago in Tipton’s tweet which tells you they only got interested very recently. Don’t think his flip to Tenn says anything about our chances with our other options. Isn't Banchero a wing player? Would Tenn. make switch to pursuing a center when they just lost out on a wing target? I guess they could figure they had an available scholarship after not getting the other player and the position didn't really matter, but it didn't sound like they were even remotely involved with Ryan a few weeks ago. Recruiting is a always a very fluid situation and things change fast so I am not saying the Vols are not involved, it just seems odd. It wouldn't matter either way, PF/C or Wing. Paolo is a Top 10/5* recruit. I like Ryan but he isn't being recruit before a kid with Banchero's talent. It's like if we had a stable of wings we wouldn't not take Baldwin. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 20:27:45 GMT -5
You guys know that I've been "caping" for Mutombo as I want, like everyone else, for Mutombo to come here. I think I want him to come here not just because he's a legacy recruit but also because I believe that he will be a decent player over the next three to four years. I believe that he can benefit from working with "uncle" Pat. However, what I've been holding back about Ryan and I really didn't want to say it before now is that Ryan really, really doesn't want to come to Georgetown.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Sept 2, 2020 20:34:05 GMT -5
If he were coming, he would have committed by now and be recruiting others to join him, like Collins.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 20:37:03 GMT -5
Is no one going to ask me why I speculate what I am speculating about Ryan not wanting to come to Georgetown?
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Post by trillesthoya on Sept 2, 2020 20:38:23 GMT -5
Is no one going to ask me why I speculate what I am speculating about Ryan not wanting to come to Georgetown? I'll bite. Why doesn't Ryan want to come to Georgetown? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 21:13:18 GMT -5
Is no one going to ask me why I speculate what I am speculating about Ryan not wanting to come to Georgetown? I'll bite. Why doesn't Ryan want to come to Georgetown? Before now, before today, I had high hopes that Mutombo might still end up at Georgetown. But after today (with all this Tennesse talk, a school that wasn't even on Ryan's radar last week), I am more and more convinced that he really doesn't want to come here. Some of you might already know this but, for those who don't know, Ryan's dream school is North Carolina. About two years ago, before Ryan blew up, before he even had one offer, TMZ caught son and dad at the airport. The TMZ reporter asked Ryan what school Ryan wanted to attend and Ryan said North Carolina. When the reporter told Dikembe that his son told him that he wanted to go to NC, Dikembe wagged his first finger and said "no, no, no, he's going to Georgetown". When I saw that video, a couple of years ago, I felt that Ryan wasn't going to be a Hoya. I saw somewhere else where Ryan was adamant that he wasn't going to go to Georgetown. In fact, I think I read somewhere where he was annoyed with the Georgetown questions and he reiterated that he was going to make his own decision. Now fast forward to today, I am really beginning to see that Ryan doesn't want to come here. NC is not in his picture and they never were. Florida State has enough big men and they passed him. I'm not sure if he really wants to stay home to go to school and therefore there goes, Georgia and Georgia Tech. Plus, they believed that he would pick the Hoyas and I don't think they put any priority in him. Now all of a sudden Tennessee comes into play, that should tell you right there that Ryan doesn't want to come here. I mean that (him fielding an offer from Tennessee) is really a big big sign that in the last hour of recruits picking their schools plus with the passing of Big John, this kid is determined to be stubborn in his position. I think Ryan wants to be his own man and not necessarily want to come to Georgetown just because his pops did. I think we, as fans, need to stop prioritizing him and I think his dad needs to let it go and let Ryan make his own decision even if it means he misses out on the Georgetown experience. That is my position and I know it is speculations and I hope that I am wrong but I really don't believe that I am wrong. I still want him to come here but if he fighting against it this badly, I think Pat and staff need to go elsewhere with their last scholarship. |
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Post by madhoya on Sept 2, 2020 21:29:24 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 21:46:01 GMT -5
Mohammed or Baldwin or both! Let's Go Hoyas!
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Post by rc84 on Sept 2, 2020 23:59:25 GMT -5
It would just be surprising if Dikembe blessed his son to go to what is objectively not a strong academic school. If he went to Stanford, or even GA Tech, sure. But TN?
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Post by Gammo on Sept 3, 2020 4:40:10 GMT -5
Whatever his choice, we all know his Dad's devotion to Georgetown, and we will respect Ryan and wish him well. I am just hoping he comes here!
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Post by daveg023 on Sept 3, 2020 5:40:34 GMT -5
While don't get me wrong, I'd love to have Ryan join the Hoyas, I am not sure this is the death blow some are making it out to be. If Ryan had a different last name and we lost him to Tennessee, I am not sure there'd be as big a reaction from this board.
Remember, he is not a sure fire 5* recruit, but a modestly ranked 4* kid in the 80-120 range, the same caliber of Qudus Wahab, who would overlap with Ryan for 3 years. Additionally, in a sport where the traditional center position is clearly being minimized, I am not sure it makes sense to allocate 4 roster spots on centers with similar profiles and games.
While I was originally excited by the prospect of Ryan's arrival, I never understood why many thought his recruitment was a make or break proposition for the program. If he was of Chet Holmgren, Patrick Baldwin, or Aminu Mohammed's stature, then yes I'd agree those are potentially program changing commitments. But other the familial connection, we have signed other 80-120 4* kids and will likely continue to do so, and hopefully ones at positions of more impact/need.
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Post by trotters10 on Sept 3, 2020 7:38:56 GMT -5
Agreed, 4 centres is pretty extreme. Ighoefe is physically gifted, let's hope Patrick can mold him or Wilson into a reliable back up role. I get the feeling Ryan wasn't overly interested in potentially playing back up to Qudus. It may make more sense to go after 2022 Centres, when Wahab will be in his senior season (assuming he stays until his senior season). Favour Aire, Donovan Clingan and Matthew Nunez (who I think is playing at Hargrave where Tyler Beard is this upcoming season) seem to be the options Georgetown is recruiting.
As stated above, there's Mohammed and Baldwin who have definitely shown some interest in Georgetown (Mohammed in particular). Jakai Robinson and Daniel Nixon. Position wise, these are all guys Georgetown could use more than adding a 4th centre onto their roster -- if you're trying to look at things positively.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Sept 3, 2020 9:11:09 GMT -5
While don't get me wrong, I'd love to have Ryan join the Hoyas, I am not sure this is the death blow some are making it out to be. If Ryan had a different last name and we lost him to Tennessee, I am not sure there'd be as big a reaction from this board.The bolded part is definitely true. But, I think that's the point. There is no expectation that the staff is going to pull in a somewhat random top 100 recruit. I mean, even the best recruiting programs still whiff on a lot of important targets. From the perspective of not getting one player, it's not a big deal. However, it is a big deal in the sense that (a) Georgetown has always stressed its tight family, (b) Dikembe Mutombo is part of that family and has always been (and still is) a big cheerleader for Georgetown, and (c) we basically have every advantage in recruiting Ryan, and we might miss out on him anyway. I think that last part is the driver of sentiment here. As I stated earlier in the thread, if we cannot pull in a guy like Ryan, with all the advantages we have, how are we going to fare recruiting other top 100 guys with no preexisting connection to Georgetown? I think people are more upset about how it reflects on the program as a whole - it is about more than recruiting one top 100 center. I also think this would matter less, if we didn't just lose an entire recruiting class to transfers and have such a big turnover this past year. |
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Post by drob12 on Sept 3, 2020 9:11:57 GMT -5
I'm not actually all that upset about this, but I'm definitely confused by it. Just can't see why RM would go from pushing for an elite academic option like Stanford to going to Tennessee. The switch would make more sense if it was a blue blood like Kentucky
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