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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Sept 2, 2020 10:35:14 GMT -5
Can’t help feeling like this is one recruiting battle we have to win. Fortunately we had a couple nice recruiting wins since I made this post so it rings a little bit less true now. But losing this one would still sting a lot. |
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Post by trillesthoya on Sept 2, 2020 10:39:37 GMT -5
I was always of the opinion that this loss would hurt, but more so optically than in terms of what the team can accomplish on the court. Q is a three or four year guy so regardless we’ll be set at the position for quite some time. Not stressed about it as much as I was before we had any commits for this class.
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Post by trotters10 on Sept 2, 2020 10:57:31 GMT -5
I don't think losing Ryan hurts as much as it might seem to the naked eye. As many people pointed out, we're pretty well stocked at Centre (with Wahab being a potentially elite guy). I don't think he'll reach his elite level though until maybe his Junior or Senior year, so it's highly unlikely he'll declare for the draft next year unless he has a huge breakout year. I always got the feeling Mutombo is aware of this, and was hesitant to commit as a backup centre, especially if Wahab stays until his senior season.
Ighoefe is more athletic than Ryan, and there's Wilson too (unknown). I'd much rather Georgetown go after a shooter or a more "positional need" than get Mutombo (even though I'd love for him to be on the team). Let's be hopeful Ewing can use his big man skills to mold an Ighoefe or Wilson -- which if he can, it doesn't even make sense for us to get Mutombo.
Guys we're still after...
Jakai Robinson (G/F), Legend Geeter (SF/PF), PATRICK BALDWIN (SF), Isaiah Folkes (G), Khalil Brantley (G), A.J. Neal (G), AMINU MOHAMMED (SG/SF), Daniel Nixon (SF), outside chance at CHET HOLMGREN (C).
There's decent links with Baldwin and Mohammed. Jakai Robinson though I think is a great (and more realistic) target, who I think helps the Hoyas more than Ryan would.
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Post by DallasHoya on Sept 2, 2020 11:04:08 GMT -5
Honestly, whatever. That's my reaction. Wish him the best, and he will always be a part of the family. However, I don't think we need a center in 2021 (unless it's someone like Chet, who is a game changer), and I am not sure Ryan's skillset fits best here anyway. Put differently, I think we could put this scholarship to better use, and that is without any disrespect to Ryan, who I hope turns himself into a first round draft pick one day. Obviously, Ryan is one kid, and he can decide whatever he wants. I think the bigger concern is that you basically could not craft a kid that seemingly should fit Georgetown better than Ryan Mutomobo. His father went to Georgetown, loves Georgetown, clearly has made Ryan incredibly familiar with Georgetown. Ryan is a big man, and Georgetown is famous for their big men. We often hear from the press and media how Ewing is such a great coach for big men, and how recruits should be able to learn so much from him. On top of all that, Mutombo is a top-100 recruit, and Ewing has struggled to get many of them. The problem with Ryan Mutomobo committing to a place like Tennessee is that here, we have basically every advantage one could hope or dream for in recruiting, and DESPITE ALL THAT, we may still lose him. If our staff cannot recruit a top 100 recruit under those circumstances, how are they going to get anybody else of that caliber? Rick Barnes is an excellent recruiter, but a really, really bad bench coach. He did basically nothing with Durant on his team, and I remember when Texas played Georgetown 4-5 years ago there was a well-known blueprint of how to beat us at the time but Barnes had no clue about it. While Shaka has been a disappointment, most Texas fans think that no one did less with the talent they had than Barnes did when he was Texas. |
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Post by drob12 on Sept 2, 2020 11:10:25 GMT -5
This Tennessee rumor really seems out of left field. Georgia (near home), Georgetown (family), and Stanford (elite academics) all make a lot of sense for various reasons, but Tennessee is neither a truly elite basketball program like Kentucky, Duke, or UNC, nor comparable to Georgetown and Stanford academically. Maybe he's close friends with one of their other 2020 or 2021 recruits?
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Post by mdtd on Sept 2, 2020 11:24:50 GMT -5
Obviously, Ryan is one kid, and he can decide whatever he wants. I think the bigger concern is that you basically could not craft a kid that seemingly should fit Georgetown better than Ryan Mutomobo. His father went to Georgetown, loves Georgetown, clearly has made Ryan incredibly familiar with Georgetown. Ryan is a big man, and Georgetown is famous for their big men. We often hear from the press and media how Ewing is such a great coach for big men, and how recruits should be able to learn so much from him. On top of all that, Mutombo is a top-100 recruit, and Ewing has struggled to get many of them. The problem with Ryan Mutomobo committing to a place like Tennessee is that here, we have basically every advantage one could hope or dream for in recruiting, and DESPITE ALL THAT, we may still lose him. If our staff cannot recruit a top 100 recruit under those circumstances, how are they going to get anybody else of that caliber? Rick Barnes is an excellent recruiter, but a really, really bad bench coach. He did basically nothing with Durant on his team, and I remember when Texas played Georgetown 4-5 years ago there was a well-known blueprint of how to beat us at the time but Barnes had no clue about it. While Shaka has been a disappointment, most Texas fans think that no one did less with the talent they had than Barnes did when he was Texas. Barnes's teams at Tennessee have overperformed. That team with Grant Williams and Admiral Schofield overperformed (more so 17-18, because the foundation was laid then) and for a team that had to start a PG who got to the school and started like days later (after Turner got injured), that team played well in conference. I think this year is crucial for his tenure there with how that recruiting class has turned out, but I think his time at Tennessee has been a success. |
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Post by guru on Sept 2, 2020 11:46:00 GMT -5
Right, because your post makes a lot of sense. let's just take guys at position we're stacked because who knows how many we'll lose in a given year. Ding ding ding! We lost <checks notes> 5 players to transfer or <heavy air quotes>transfer</heavy air quotes> last year. Spare us the Slate pitch nonsense about how it's actually a good thing that this kid is favoring Tennessee over us. It's not. Anyone surprised that at the first whiff of slightly bad news this horse’s patootie is back littering the board with his garbage? And “slate pitch”? Are you a freelance writer or just a hipster doofus? Or both? |
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Post by guru on Sept 2, 2020 11:53:59 GMT -5
It’s a tough recruiting loss if it goes this way. Was looking forward to seeing a young Mutimbo in the blue and gray again.
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Post by TC on Sept 2, 2020 12:00:19 GMT -5
Ding ding ding! We lost <checks notes> 5 players to transfer or <heavy air quotes>transfer</heavy air quotes> last year. Spare us the Slate pitch nonsense about how it's actually a good thing that this kid is favoring Tennessee over us. It's not. Anyone surprised that at the first whiff of slightly bad news this horse’s patootie is back littering the board with his garbage? And “slate pitch”? Are you a freelance writer or just a hipster doofus? Or both? Yes, sorry I am littering the board with hot takes like "losing out on Ryan Mutombo would be a bad thing". |
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Post by trillesthoya on Sept 2, 2020 12:04:01 GMT -5
Anyone surprised that at the first whiff of slightly bad news this horse’s patootie is back littering the board with his garbage? And “slate pitch”? Are you a freelance writer or just a hipster doofus? Or both? Yes, sorry I am littering the board with hot takes like "losing out on Ryan Mutombo would be a bad thing". It would be a bad thing, it wouldn't necessarily be a catastrophic thing. Also, 247 rankings dropped Ryan over 30 spots today, which should probably tell you he's not exactly the program saving guy you seem to think he is. Like I said, it's mostly an optics thing, and while he may end up a fantastic player in a few years, we are fine either way. |
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Post by madhoya on Sept 2, 2020 12:23:56 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaDr on Sept 2, 2020 12:42:01 GMT -5
I look forward to watching Casual Hoya shut down their site as promised....or Casual Hoya walking back on its promise and the subsequent "sky is falling" responses on both here and CH
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 12:42:25 GMT -5
Probably looking at starter minutes right away at Tennesse.
Kid should do whatever is in his best interest and Georgetown should do the same.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Sept 2, 2020 14:12:29 GMT -5
Rick Barnes is an excellent recruiter, but a really, really bad bench coach. He did basically nothing with Durant on his team, and I remember when Texas played Georgetown 4-5 years ago there was a well-known blueprint of how to beat us at the time but Barnes had no clue about it. While Shaka has been a disappointment, most Texas fans think that no one did less with the talent they had than Barnes did when he was Texas. All that may be true of Barnes. But, if your goal is to make the NCAA tournament, Barnes is the guy to go with. If I am counting right, Barnes made the NCAA tournament in 16/17 seasons at Texas, twice at Tennessee (after turning the program around), and made the tournament 3/4 times at Clemson before Texas. That's a pretty great record. Plus, he has three Sweet 16's, two Elite 8's and a Final Four. In that sense, you really cannot blame any recruit for picking Barnes. If Mutomobo's goal is to play in the NCAA's sooner rather than later, it isn't really a contest from a pure basketball perspective, even if, as you say, Barnes is a bad bench coach. |
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Post by daveg023 on Sept 2, 2020 14:48:27 GMT -5
Something about the Baldwin details and this sudden change to Tennessee would have me optimistically thinking the two things are correlated? Perhaps did we find out we are really in the running and suddenly we didn't have enough chairs for when the music stopped? Just strikes me as interesting timing, especially in the wake of JT II's passing this week as well...
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Sept 2, 2020 14:55:54 GMT -5
For what it's worth, the fans over at Vol Notion have barely mentioned Mutombo at all on their recruiting thread for 2021. I have no idea if they are high-traffic, so maybe it's meaningless, but it seems like if there was more to this, they would be more interested...
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Post by jwp91 on Sept 2, 2020 15:08:15 GMT -5
Something about the Baldwin details and this sudden change to Tennessee would have me optimistically thinking the two things are correlated? Perhaps did we find out we are really in the running and suddenly we didn't have enough chairs for when the music stopped? Just strikes me as interesting timing, especially in the wake of JT II's passing this week as well... I will have what you are smoking! |
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Post by trillesthoya on Sept 2, 2020 15:11:45 GMT -5
Something about the Baldwin details and this sudden change to Tennessee would have me optimistically thinking the two things are correlated? Perhaps did we find out we are really in the running and suddenly we didn't have enough chairs for when the music stopped? Just strikes me as interesting timing, especially in the wake of JT II's passing this week as well... Far more likely Tennessee is just turning up the heat on him since they whiffed on Paolo Banchero. He didn’t list Tennessee in his top three schools a couple weeks ago in Tipton’s tweet which tells you they only got interested very recently. Don’t think his flip to Tenn says anything about our chances with our other options. |
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Post by dchoya72 on Sept 2, 2020 15:12:36 GMT -5
U would rather have Chet, if possible. I dont like the drawout. He'd be nice to have but doesnt seem to offer any more than we have, whereas if Chet decided, we would have something special. So you're telling me it's good that this kid with super strong ties to Georgetown that's been talked about coming for at least 8 years seemingly decides on a whim to go to Tennessee because <looks at notes> we are somehow going to pull the #1 recruit in the nation who has 0 ties whatsoever to Georgetown and is from a state we don't have any ties to when we haven't successfully recruited a 5* in over 12 years. We're not getting any 5*. None of them are coming, ever ever ever - it doesn't matter how many nice things they say about Patrick Ewing - it's like listening to Grant Hill eulogize John Thompson. Sure they like the idea of him, but they're never coming here to be coached by him. So you think the kid wants to be here? I question that thought. Still, whenever recruiting is drawn out like this is, it hasnt ended well for Georgetown. We have an inside communication track. Why do you think the kid is stalling? |
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Post by bostonfan on Sept 2, 2020 15:18:00 GMT -5
Something about the Baldwin details and this sudden change to Tennessee would have me optimistically thinking the two things are correlated? Perhaps did we find out we are really in the running and suddenly we didn't have enough chairs for when the music stopped? Just strikes me as interesting timing, especially in the wake of JT II's passing this week as well... Far more likely Tennessee is just turning up the heat on him since they whiffed on Paolo Banchero. He didn’t list Tennessee in his top three schools a couple weeks ago in Tipton’s tweet which tells you they only got interested very recently. Don’t think his flip to Tenn says anything about our chances with our other options. Isn't Banchero a wing player? Would Tenn. make switch to pursuing a center when they just lost out on a wing target? I guess they could figure they had an available scholarship after not getting the other player and the position didn't really matter, but it didn't sound like they were even remotely involved with Ryan a few weeks ago. Recruiting is a always a very fluid situation and things change fast so I am not saying the Vols are not involved, it just seems odd. |
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