Ryan Mutombo 2021 commits to Georgetown

[hoyalove4ever]

Good points- but I think there are a lot of reasons to be bullish about Q and Tim. Big bodies, plus athletes, and (by all indications) hard workers.

[MCIGuy]

Aug 11, 2020 9:36:34 GMT -5 EasyEd said:

Ryan, please do not read what is seen on this thread. Might make you barf.

Same warning can be applied to current Hoya players if they make the mistake of strolling into this thread. Maybe fans only worry about offending recruits the team is still going after.

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Aug 11, 2020 12:18:23 GMT -5 hoyasaxa2003 said:

I have truly never understood the people who show so much concern about having too many players, or not enough room. If anything, last year should show that it's exactly the opposite situation. Ryan Mutombo is a top 100 recruit, a position that Georgetown is known for, and someone who almost certainly could contribute as a freshman.

I think some people here try to be contrarian for the sake of being contrarian. There is legitimately no reason why Ryan Mutombo would not be a great addition.

I do not say that to take away from the other guys on our roster, but if Ryan is better than guys already on the roster, he should play over them. Timothy barely played last season, and while he has nice size, he is clearly behind in skill development. To offer specifics, he was often out of place on defense, he fouled at an extremely high rate in his limited time (7.1 fouls per 40 minutes), and generally he is raw. That does not mean he cannot get better, but Georgetown has had other projects who fail to develop to the extent we ideally need them to be. Further, on Malcom Wilson, we truly have no idea what we are going to get.

So really, we are left with Wahab, the only semi-proven guy, who will be a junior by the time Mutombo sets foot on campus. And, Wahab similarly had fouling problems (6.5 fouls per 40 minutes). So basically, we have one young skilled center in Wahab, who fouls a lot and almost certainly cannot play much more than 25 minutes a game. So what's the problem?

Our team has been pretty bad the last three years, yet somehow we are supposed to be concerned about getting a top 100 guy, with a strong family connection to the program? I don't hear Duke or Kentucky fans worrying about such things.

Ryan, if you are reading this, please know that 99% of Georgetown fans very much want to see you on the Hilltop.

I totally agree with you especially with the part where you point out the fouling part.  I noticed both Que and Tim fouled a lot last year and I pointed this out in an earlier post.  This is one of many reasons why you would want to have another big man (at the time of my writing my post, the argument was "too many big men"). 

I personally think that all three of our big men will get better with the fouling but what happens when both Que and Tim gets into foul trouble?  What will we do then? 

I personally believe Malcolm may slide over to the four and help out at that spot as a back up.  I can see Malcolm coming in and playing some center position but only as a third or fourth option center (behind Mutombo).  In that case, we really only have two centers.  Once again, the propensity to foul is especially highlighted when you consider that both our true centers foul a lot.

Finally, I can see a combination of big men on the floor at the same time in some instance.  You might get some spots where you have Que and Mutombo on the floor at the same time.  You might get some spots where you may see Tim and Que or Tim and Malcolm or whoever. 

Bottom line is we need the big man (Mutombo).  I think these posters are making a big mistake posting as if we don't need Mutombo.  Now if we get someone else instead, let it be a big man.  We need someone to spell the big guys when they do get into foul trouble; which, as you pointed out, they often do.

[MCIGuy]

Aug 11, 2020 12:18:23 GMT -5 hoyasaxa2003 said:

I have truly never understood the people who show so much concern about having too many players, or not enough room. If anything, last year should show that it's exactly the opposite situation. Ryan Mutombo is a top 100 recruit, a position that Georgetown is known for, and someone who almost certainly could contribute as a freshman.

I think some people here try to be contrarian for the sake of being contrarian. There is legitimately no reason why Ryan Mutombo would not be a great addition.

I do not say that to take away from the other guys on our roster, but if Ryan is better than guys already on the roster, he should play over them. Timothy barely played last season, and while he has nice size, he is clearly behind in skill development. To offer specifics, he was often out of place on defense, he fouled at an extremely high rate in his limited time (7.1 fouls per 40 minutes), and generally he is raw. That does not mean he cannot get better, but Georgetown has had other projects who fail to develop to the extent we ideally need them to be. Further, on Malcom Wilson, we truly have no idea what we are going to get.

So really, we are left with Wahab, the only semi-proven guy, who will be a junior by the time Mutombo sets foot on campus. And, Wahab similarly had fouling problems (6.5 fouls per 40 minutes). So basically, we have one young skilled center in Wahab, who fouls a lot and almost certainly cannot play much more than 25 minutes a game. So what's the problem?

Our team has been pretty bad the last three years, yet somehow we are supposed to be concerned about getting a top 100 guy, with a strong family connection to the program? I don't hear Duke or Kentucky fans worrying about such things.

Ryan, if you are reading this, please know that 99% of Georgetown fans very much want to see you on the Hilltop.

1-Keep trashing Ighoefe with your bs stats which mean next to nothing since he only played 12 games and was frozen on the bench for most of the year. If the team needed his services more and he had played those 12 games in the first 12 contests of the season, I feel he would have made the required growth for BE play, including handling his personal foul situation better. this is how it often works. He had to learn and get acclimated to the American level version of the game and how the coaching staff went about putting him in that situation (often because they had no choice) was not ideal.

2-There is this continual selfishness on this board to advocate EVERY year using up all the scholarships available. But as the season gets underway the same folks want the rotation limited to 8 or 9 guys. Easy for you guys to do this and brush it off but it's hard on the kids who feel they busted their butts and should be earning minutes. And, no, a once in a lifetime exodus of players in a given season is not an excuse for us not learning this lesson (a lesson that other teams have learned)of overstuffing the roster, especially with players not good enough to leave early for the pros.

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Aug 11, 2020 13:28:30 GMT -5 MCIGuy said:

Aug 11, 2020 12:18:23 GMT -5 hoyasaxa2003 said:

I have truly never understood the people who show so much concern about having too many players, or not enough room. If anything, last year should show that it's exactly the opposite situation. Ryan Mutombo is a top 100 recruit, a position that Georgetown is known for, and someone who almost certainly could contribute as a freshman.

I think some people here try to be contrarian for the sake of being contrarian. There is legitimately no reason why Ryan Mutombo would not be a great addition.

I do not say that to take away from the other guys on our roster, but if Ryan is better than guys already on the roster, he should play over them. Timothy barely played last season, and while he has nice size, he is clearly behind in skill development. To offer specifics, he was often out of place on defense, he fouled at an extremely high rate in his limited time (7.1 fouls per 40 minutes), and generally he is raw. That does not mean he cannot get better, but Georgetown has had other projects who fail to develop to the extent we ideally need them to be. Further, on Malcom Wilson, we truly have no idea what we are going to get.

So really, we are left with Wahab, the only semi-proven guy, who will be a junior by the time Mutombo sets foot on campus. And, Wahab similarly had fouling problems (6.5 fouls per 40 minutes). So basically, we have one young skilled center in Wahab, who fouls a lot and almost certainly cannot play much more than 25 minutes a game. So what's the problem?

Our team has been pretty bad the last three years, yet somehow we are supposed to be concerned about getting a top 100 guy, with a strong family connection to the program? I don't hear Duke or Kentucky fans worrying about such things.

Ryan, if you are reading this, please know that 99% of Georgetown fans very much want to see you on the Hilltop.

1-Keep trashing Ighoefe with your bs stats which mean next to nothing since he only played 12 games and was frozen on the bench for most of the year. If the team needed his services more and he had played those 12 games in the first 12 contests of the season, I feel he would have made the required growth for BE play, including handling his personal foul situation better. this is how it often works. He had to learn and get acclimated to the American level version of the game and how the coaching staff went about putting him in that situation (often because they had no choice) was not ideal.

2-There is this continual selfishness on this board to advocate EVERY year using up all the scholarships available. But as the season gets underway the same folks want the rotation limited to 8 or 9 guys. Easy for you guys to do this and brush it off but it's hard on the kids who feel they busted their butts and should be earning minutes. And, no, a once in a lifetime exodus of players in a given season is not an excuse for us not learning this lesson (a lesson that other teams have learned)of overstuffing the roster, especially with players not good enough to leave early for the pros.

I know that you're not referring to me when you say, "keep trashing Ighoefe" but I must intervene and say that I agree with you about playing the kids.  I personally think all of the kids will play because they all have some talent.  Tim, I see a lot of skills in his game.  I think he is still learning the game but I think he will be able to contribute and therefore, I don't see coach not playing him at all.  I don't think you have to worry about Tim not playing.  However, he does have to work on not fouling as much if he wants to stay on the floor and that's a fact.

[HometownHoya]

Pat will play 3 Cs a game if he has to. His first few years he's had a star that's had to play a majority of minutes, limiting the time for #3. Everyone talking about fouls, I don't think those rates will change much unless necessary. If you have 3 quality Cs, you have 15 fouls to give...even if that 3rd is only rebounds and fouls, that's a contribution. Having the depth at C also helps the defense overall because you don't need your starter to be conservative.

Plus, as we saw this year, you can't guarantee on guys being there all 4 years. Currently we have 3 pure Cs, which would be Ryan's competition. To me, Malcom is currently the odd man out because we haven't seen him play much. If he could play in a 2 big set, it would open more things up but we will have to see. He will definitely get PT this year so we will see him in game. I hope he has a productive Hoya career but he's not someone Ryan should be worried about. I've also said it previously but if Qudus gets the usage that Yurt and Jessie had, I think he's going to be on draft watches due to his mix of potential and the production he'll inevitably have. Now not saying he's gone after this year but after 2 years of high usage and improvement, he could easily move onto the next level (where-ever that may be). Finally, I see Tim as a 4 year guy due to being behind Qudus in the same class but he's a great athlete and grew his game every time he got on the court. He'd be great competition for Ryan but like I said, Pat can play 3 Cs so they can both contribute.

As far as Ryan himself goes, I hope he commits soon for the security as I would love him to be a Hoya. I hope the staff isn't reserving a scholarship for him but I also believe he has a commit-able offer. He's family and a quality recruit so he will be greeted with open arms if he decides to pull the trigger.

I also don't think Ryan would be our only additional commit for 2021...the scholarship situation always works out.

[hoyalove4ever]

Aug 11, 2020 13:28:30 GMT -5 MCIGuy said:

Aug 11, 2020 12:18:23 GMT -5 hoyasaxa2003 said:

I have truly never understood the people who show so much concern about having too many players, or not enough room. If anything, last year should show that it's exactly the opposite situation. Ryan Mutombo is a top 100 recruit, a position that Georgetown is known for, and someone who almost certainly could contribute as a freshman.

I think some people here try to be contrarian for the sake of being contrarian. There is legitimately no reason why Ryan Mutombo would not be a great addition.

I do not say that to take away from the other guys on our roster, but if Ryan is better than guys already on the roster, he should play over them. Timothy barely played last season, and while he has nice size, he is clearly behind in skill development. To offer specifics, he was often out of place on defense, he fouled at an extremely high rate in his limited time (7.1 fouls per 40 minutes), and generally he is raw. That does not mean he cannot get better, but Georgetown has had other projects who fail to develop to the extent we ideally need them to be. Further, on Malcom Wilson, we truly have no idea what we are going to get.

So really, we are left with Wahab, the only semi-proven guy, who will be a junior by the time Mutombo sets foot on campus. And, Wahab similarly had fouling problems (6.5 fouls per 40 minutes). So basically, we have one young skilled center in Wahab, who fouls a lot and almost certainly cannot play much more than 25 minutes a game. So what's the problem?

Our team has been pretty bad the last three years, yet somehow we are supposed to be concerned about getting a top 100 guy, with a strong family connection to the program? I don't hear Duke or Kentucky fans worrying about such things.

Ryan, if you are reading this, please know that 99% of Georgetown fans very much want to see you on the Hilltop.

1-Keep trashing Ighoefe with your bs stats which mean next to nothing since he only played 12 games and was frozen on the bench for most of the year. If the team needed his services more and he had played those 12 games in the first 12 contests of the season, I feel he would have made the required growth for BE play, including handling his personal foul situation better. this is how it often works. He had to learn and get acclimated to the American level version of the game and how the coaching staff went about putting him in that situation (often because they had no choice) was not ideal.

2-There is this continual selfishness on this board to advocate EVERY year using up all the scholarships available. But as the season gets underway the same folks want the rotation limited to 8 or 9 guys. Easy for you guys to do this and brush it off but it's hard on the kids who feel they busted their butts and should be earning minutes. And, no, a once in a lifetime exodus of players in a given season is not an excuse for us not learning this lesson (a lesson that other teams have learned)of overstuffing the roster, especially with players not good enough to leave early for the pros.

Great points. I hate DNPs. Ideally ten or more guys see the floor, even if some of them just get out there for say the last thirty seconds of the first half- (you know, when one of our starters often is picking up their second foul). Let them touch the floor and be "in the action." Makes practice waaay better because guys are hungry and know they will likely get some chance.

[MCIGuy]

Aug 11, 2020 13:37:18 GMT -5 hoyafansinceewingera said:

Aug 11, 2020 13:28:30 GMT -5 MCIGuy said:

1-Keep trashing Ighoefe with your bs stats which mean next to nothing since he only played 12 games and was frozen on the bench for most of the year. If the team needed his services more and he had played those 12 games in the first 12 contests of the season, I feel he would have made the required growth for BE play, including handling his personal foul situation better. this is how it often works. He had to learn and get acclimated to the American level version of the game and how the coaching staff went about putting him in that situation (often because they had no choice) was not ideal.

2-There is this continual selfishness on this board to advocate EVERY year using up all the scholarships available. But as the season gets underway the same folks want the rotation limited to 8 or 9 guys. Easy for you guys to do this and brush it off but it's hard on the kids who feel they busted their butts and should be earning minutes. And, no, a once in a lifetime exodus of players in a given season is not an excuse for us not learning this lesson (a lesson that other teams have learned)of overstuffing the roster, especially with players not good enough to leave early for the pros.

I know that you're not referring to me when you say, "keep trashing Ighoefe" but I must intervene and say that I agree with you about playing the kids.  I personally think all of the kids will play because they all have some talent.  Tim, I see a lot of skills in his game.  I think he is still learning the game but I think he will be able to contribute and therefore, I don't see coach not playing him at all.  I don't think you have to worry about Tim not playing.  However, he does have to work on not fouling as much if he wants to stay on the floor and that's a fact.

No question. But this is something that can be improved greatly upon in his second season overall, first full season specifically.

And, yes, my remark wasn't directed at you per se. I was directing my remarks mostly at a guy who is even obsessed with the stats of a dude who barely played. There is a reason that in the NBA if a guy leads the league in fg percentage but didn't play enough games to warrant a discussion, that player is left off the list of the players who shot best from the floor. You try not to judge too much, good or bad, when all you have to go by is a small sample size. It would be an unfair evaluation even if that particular evaluation ultimately plays out that way for a career. People try to wait for a full season's worth of work.

Furthermore with hoyasaxa2003, he may play up R. Mutombo now but God forbid if Ryan doesn't live up to the expectations of his rankings. If that happens 2003 will use the STATS to tear into Mutombo on the regular, like he has done with recent Hoya players (such as Govan).

[mdtd]

Aug 11, 2020 13:28:30 GMT -5 MCIGuy said:

Aug 11, 2020 12:18:23 GMT -5 hoyasaxa2003 said:

I have truly never understood the people who show so much concern about having too many players, or not enough room. If anything, last year should show that it's exactly the opposite situation. Ryan Mutombo is a top 100 recruit, a position that Georgetown is known for, and someone who almost certainly could contribute as a freshman.

I think some people here try to be contrarian for the sake of being contrarian. There is legitimately no reason why Ryan Mutombo would not be a great addition.

I do not say that to take away from the other guys on our roster, but if Ryan is better than guys already on the roster, he should play over them. Timothy barely played last season, and while he has nice size, he is clearly behind in skill development. To offer specifics, he was often out of place on defense, he fouled at an extremely high rate in his limited time (7.1 fouls per 40 minutes), and generally he is raw. That does not mean he cannot get better, but Georgetown has had other projects who fail to develop to the extent we ideally need them to be. Further, on Malcom Wilson, we truly have no idea what we are going to get.

So really, we are left with Wahab, the only semi-proven guy, who will be a junior by the time Mutombo sets foot on campus. And, Wahab similarly had fouling problems (6.5 fouls per 40 minutes). So basically, we have one young skilled center in Wahab, who fouls a lot and almost certainly cannot play much more than 25 minutes a game. So what's the problem?

Our team has been pretty bad the last three years, yet somehow we are supposed to be concerned about getting a top 100 guy, with a strong family connection to the program? I don't hear Duke or Kentucky fans worrying about such things.

Ryan, if you are reading this, please know that 99% of Georgetown fans very much want to see you on the Hilltop.

 overstuffing the roster, especially with players not good enough to leave early for the pros.

Ryan is good enough to leave early for the pros. He has enough potential. I'll respond more in depth to this on another thread as I don't want to derail this, but a player in the top 70 is usually good enough to leave early. And I see a lot of skill (not highlight worthy, but skill nonetheless) and potential that leads Ryan to being the same. Maybe not after year one, but after year 2 or 3 absolutely. I don't see how someone can say we're in the position to not take Ryan, when he'd be the best recruit the program has seen under Ewing. It makes no sense to me. Sure rankings are not nearly 100% accurate, but there's a reason he's at the top. 

[MCIGuy]

Sigh.

[Lethal_Interjection]

Aug 11, 2020 16:57:33 GMT -5 mdtd said:

Aug 11, 2020 13:28:30 GMT -5 MCIGuy said:

 overstuffing the roster, especially with players not good enough to leave early for the pros.

Ryan is good enough to leave early for the pros. He has enough potential. I'll respond more in depth to this on another thread as I don't want to derail this, but a player in the top 70 is usually good enough to leave early. And I see a lot of skill (not highlight worthy, but skill nonetheless) and potential that leads Ryan to being the same. Maybe not after year one, but after year 2 or 3 absolutely. I don't see how someone can say we're in the position to not take Ryan, when he's be the best recruit the program has seen under Ewing. It makes no sense to me. Sure rankings are not nearly 100% accurate, but there's a reason he's at the top. 

Let's wait and see how it'll play out in what Ryan can provide on the floor. It's going to take some adjusting from HS to D-1 

[DanMcQ]

Aug 11, 2020 17:00:04 GMT -5 MCIGuy said:

Sigh.

This must win an award - has there ever been a one word MCIGuy post?

[guru]

Aug 12, 2020 5:41:48 GMT -5 DanMcQ said:

Aug 11, 2020 17:00:04 GMT -5 MCIGuy said:

Sigh.

This must win an award - has there ever been a one word MCIGuy post?

Looking forward to the 50,000-word explanation of the sigh

[blueandgray]

I think we all know that Ryan isn’t close to NBA ready today...but with some help, if anyone can get him there it’s Ewing.

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[LCPolo18]

Aug 13, 2020 19:57:16 GMT -5 @yaboynyp said:

Interesting list. Figured FSU might have moved on, but not mentioning Georgia Tech or Clemson, but mentioning Georgia were surprises to me.

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Aug 13, 2020 21:25:43 GMT -5 LCPolo18 said:

Aug 13, 2020 19:57:16 GMT -5 @yaboynyp said:

Interesting list. Figured FSU might have moved on, but not mentioning Georgia Tech or Clemson, but mentioning Georgia were surprises to me.

No ACC schools on the list is definitely interesting based on his past comments.

[reformation]

Would also think the only schools with realistic chance of getting him other than Gtwn. Stanford is the only school one could argue is better than Gtwn from the general academic perspective.(Given what Ryan has said, I'm sure stanford is making the case to him on the non athletic front + facilities + other top recruits etc. Obviously their basketball legacy is not very strong. Georgia, which I think has less of a shot is local and very focused on big time athletics. Would think it comes down to Gtwn/Stan.

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If we were to get Mutomobo and Mohammad, we would have the number two ranked recruiting class for 21' behind number one Florida State.

[hoyasaxa2003]

Aug 11, 2020 13:28:30 GMT -5 MCIGuy said:

1-Keep trashing Ighoefe with your bs stats which mean next to nothing since he only played 12 games and was frozen on the bench for most of the year. If the team needed his services more and he had played those 12 games in the first 12 contests of the season, I feel he would have made the required growth for BE play, including handling his personal foul situation better. this is how it often works. He had to learn and get acclimated to the American level version of the game and how the coaching staff went about putting him in that situation (often because they had no choice) was not ideal.

2-There is this continual selfishness on this board to advocate EVERY year using up all the scholarships available. But as the season gets underway the same folks want the rotation limited to 8 or 9 guys. Easy for you guys to do this and brush it off but it's hard on the kids who feel they busted their butts and should be earning minutes. And, no, a once in a lifetime exodus of players in a given season is not an excuse for us not learning this lesson (a lesson that other teams have learned)of overstuffing the roster, especially with players not good enough to leave early for the pros.

1. This is ridiculous. How did I "trash" Ighoefe? This is what I said about him, "Timothy barely played last season, and while he has nice size, he is clearly behind in skill development. To offer specifics, he was often out of place on defense, he fouled at an extremely high rate in his limited time (7.1 fouls per 40 minutes), and generally he is raw." I specifically then noted he could improve. Perhaps you disagree with my assessment, which is perfectly fine, but I am not "trashing" the kid. Further, your little riff on stats in your other post is similarly out of place. I literally use one stat here - how much he fouls. That is an objective stat, and one that realistically limits his time on the floor, without improvement. It is also entirely consistent with the conventional wisdom that young big men foul a lot. How is that not relevant, when the issue we are discussing is playing time?

As I said, it's perfectly fair if you are more bullish on Tim. Simply because I do not share that optimism does not mean I am "trashing him." I have been around here for a long time, and I do not intend on trashing anybody. Unlike some, I am not such a homer that I am going to ignore reality - if a player's performance is not good, I'll point that out, as I have in the past for guys like Mourning, Trey Dickerson, or, at times, Pickett. But, I have never had an ounce of ill will toward any of them, and in no way mean to trash anybody. If think assessing a guy is "trashing" them, then we will never come to agreement on this. I get that some fans only want the good, and suppress the bad, which is fine. But that doesn't mean people with other views are "trashing" the guys that you are optimistic about.

2. I do not have a strong desire to fill all 13 scholarships all the time. I am fine with leaving one or two open if that's ideal, BUT I do think that a situation like last year demonstrates why you need to have most of them filled. It's true that if you have 13 players, some simply will not play. You can work around that with class balance, etc. (hard to do when you lose 4 guys in one season), but it's never easy. That is partly why I do not mind recruiting a project like Ighoefe or Wilson. If they come in understanding that they will have to work for minutes, and may not get them, then I am fine having them on the roster.