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Post by professorhoya on Sept 23, 2020 7:13:10 GMT -5
Tons of teams are talking to Yurtseven right now. Would not be surprised if he gets taken at some point in the second by a team looking for a big to develop. Being an international talent may help as NBA is always looking to increase international following and TV following
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Post by seaweed on Sept 23, 2020 13:04:22 GMT -5
Is there any doubt that he is going to get paid to play in the League? He is in peak shape, has worked on his handles and outside shot for months now and has a long track record of performing at the highest level. I don’t see any gray area - Omer’s an NBA player and probably a pretty successful one
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Post by BigmanU on Oct 17, 2020 14:16:56 GMT -5
Very informative article!
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Post by professorhoya on Oct 17, 2020 14:54:21 GMT -5
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Oct 17, 2020 23:57:40 GMT -5
Considering how bad our defense was last year, this is...concerning, at the least.
That said, I wish Yurtseven the best and hope things work out for him.
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Post by rhw485 on Oct 19, 2020 6:41:10 GMT -5
I'm not sure how much time I want to spend parsing the words of the interview, but definitely some more questions than answers.
The comments about the defense are definitely concerning. If your best player comes to you and genuinely asks why we're playing a defense, in an effort to educate himself, and is told that's how I want to play it...that's not good. At a minimum you should be able to explain why and that might even help the player execute the scheme better in a way to accomplish what you want. Maybe that happened but I have no reason to doubt Yurt7 telling the truth here.
The comments about the transfers forcing him to be an inside presence more than an outside presence are interesting. Are we suggesting LeBlanc transfer(the only transfer who could be deemed an inside presence) really changed the way Yurt7 would function in the offense? With Pickett at the 4 you probably needed Yurt7 to roll to create space for shooters and LeBlanc in the dunker spot maybe would've allowed Yurt7 to pop for 3s. But LeBlanc and Yurt7 didn't play a lot of minutes together given Ewing's rotation so idk.
If anything, it sounded more like Akinjo transfer meant we couldn't generate quality looks for our shooters, so Yurt7 needed to post to draw double teams to help others because we didn't have other creators on floor. That's more viable.
Or maybe, and more likely, player and coach just had a disagreement on skill set and he thought he could shoot 3s and the staff didn't agree.
I learned w Derrickson not to doubt whether a player could make the league because they can truly transform their body and game in an offseason. And this is the longest offseason in history so he definitely can. But if Yurt7 makes the NBA it will be primarily because he did two things he didn't do at Gtown: (1) shoot 3s at a high clip, (2) credibly defend in the pick and roll, either by switching or playing effective drop coverage. He can certainly pull it off, I'll be rooting for him and wish him the best of luck.
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Post by seaweed on Oct 19, 2020 12:03:55 GMT -5
Considering how bad our defense was last year, this is...concerning, at the least. That said, I wish Yurtseven the best and hope things work out for him. The following quote makes me thing the above does not tell the whole story: “On the court he is very gritty and absolutely will not take no for an answer,” explained Yurtseven. “But off the court, he is literally the nicest guy ever. You could be intimidated by his size, but I guess you wouldn’t expect the kindness from him. He’s just an awesome person to talk with and be around. He’s always there to talk whenever you have anything really, any questions.” Not sure what would have made Yurt7 say what he did about the hedging, but he doesn't sound like someone who was concerned about communication with his coach.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Oct 19, 2020 12:24:32 GMT -5
Considering how bad our defense was last year, this is...concerning, at the least. That said, I wish Yurtseven the best and hope things work out for him. The following quote makes me thing the above does not tell the whole story: “On the court he is very gritty and absolutely will not take no for an answer,” explained Yurtseven. “But off the court, he is literally the nicest guy ever. You could be intimidated by his size, but I guess you wouldn’t expect the kindness from him. He’s just an awesome person to talk with and be around. He’s always there to talk whenever you have anything really, any questions.” Not sure what would have made Yurt7 say what he did about the hedging, but he doesn't sound like someone who was concerned about communication with his coach. Possibly. But, I think the distinction is that in the quote regarding hedging, Yurtseven was talking about Ewing the coach. I think the quote above is about Ewing the person. There is a big difference between someone who is kind and a fun person to talk to and be around, and a basketball coach.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 14:14:18 GMT -5
The following quote makes me thing the above does not tell the whole story: “On the court he is very gritty and absolutely will not take no for an answer,” explained Yurtseven. “But off the court, he is literally the nicest guy ever. You could be intimidated by his size, but I guess you wouldn’t expect the kindness from him. He’s just an awesome person to talk with and be around. He’s always there to talk whenever you have anything really, any questions.” Not sure what would have made Yurt7 say what he did about the hedging, but he doesn't sound like someone who was concerned about communication with his coach. Possibly. But, I think the distinction is that in the quote regarding hedging, Yurtseven was talking about Ewing the coach. I think the quote above is about Ewing the person. There is a big difference between someone who is kind and a fun person to talk to and be around, and a basketball coach. I agree with what you said about the differences between a coach and a person. There is also the job of being a coach and not necessarily being a player's friend. A coach doesn't allow a player to dictate to him about how he's going to coach and doesn't necessarily need someone who barely has any basketball experience tell him or question him about playing some defensive scheme. Being a player's friend would compromise the player's friend, who is supposed to the coach, and let the player do what he wants to do which isn't good for the system.
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Post by professorhoya on Oct 19, 2020 14:28:25 GMT -5
I'm not sure how much time I want to spend parsing the words of the interview, but definitely some more questions than answers. The comments about the defense are definitely concerning. If your best player comes to you and genuinely asks why we're playing a defense, in an effort to educate himself, and is told that's how I want to play it...that's not good. At a minimum you should be able to explain why and that might even help the player execute the scheme better in a way to accomplish what you want. Maybe that happened but I have no reason to doubt Yurt7 telling the truth here. The comments about the transfers forcing him to be an inside presence more than an outside presence are interesting. Are we suggesting LeBlanc transfer(the only transfer who could be deemed an inside presence) really changed the way Yurt7 would function in the offense? With Pickett at the 4 you probably needed Yurt7 to roll to create space for shooters and LeBlanc in the dunker spot maybe would've allowed Yurt7 to pop for 3s. But LeBlanc and Yurt7 didn't play a lot of minutes together given Ewing's rotation so idk. If anything, it sounded more like Akinjo transfer meant we couldn't generate quality looks for our shooters, so Yurt7 needed to post to draw double teams to help others because we didn't have other creators on floor. That's more viable. Or maybe, and more likely, player and coach just had a disagreement on skill set and he thought he could shoot 3s and the staff didn't agree. I learned w Derrickson not to doubt whether a player could make the league because they can truly transform their body and game in an offseason. And this is the longest offseason in history so he definitely can. But if Yurt7 makes the NBA it will be primarily because he did two things he didn't do at Gtown: (1) shoot 3s at a high clip, (2) credibly defend in the pick and roll, either by switching or playing effective drop coverage. He can certainly pull it off, I'll be rooting for him and wish him the best of luck. Pretty simple. We lost all our long atheltic wings (Galen, Myron) and a power forward (LeBlanc) Who is going to get the rebounds if Yurt7 is camping behind the 3pt line.
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Post by mdtd on Oct 19, 2020 14:53:40 GMT -5
I'm not sure how much time I want to spend parsing the words of the interview, but definitely some more questions than answers. The comments about the defense are definitely concerning. If your best player comes to you and genuinely asks why we're playing a defense, in an effort to educate himself, and is told that's how I want to play it...that's not good. At a minimum you should be able to explain why and that might even help the player execute the scheme better in a way to accomplish what you want. Maybe that happened but I have no reason to doubt Yurt7 telling the truth here. The comments about the transfers forcing him to be an inside presence more than an outside presence are interesting. Are we suggesting LeBlanc transfer(the only transfer who could be deemed an inside presence) really changed the way Yurt7 would function in the offense? With Pickett at the 4 you probably needed Yurt7 to roll to create space for shooters and LeBlanc in the dunker spot maybe would've allowed Yurt7 to pop for 3s. But LeBlanc and Yurt7 didn't play a lot of minutes together given Ewing's rotation so idk. If anything, it sounded more like Akinjo transfer meant we couldn't generate quality looks for our shooters, so Yurt7 needed to post to draw double teams to help others because we didn't have other creators on floor. That's more viable. Or maybe, and more likely, player and coach just had a disagreement on skill set and he thought he could shoot 3s and the staff didn't agree. I learned w Derrickson not to doubt whether a player could make the league because they can truly transform their body and game in an offseason. And this is the longest offseason in history so he definitely can. But if Yurt7 makes the NBA it will be primarily because he did two things he didn't do at Gtown: (1) shoot 3s at a high clip, (2) credibly defend in the pick and roll, either by switching or playing effective drop coverage. He can certainly pull it off, I'll be rooting for him and wish him the best of luck. Pretty simple. We lost all our long atheltic wings (Galen, Myron) and a power forward (LeBlanc) Who is going to get the rebounds if Yurt7 is camping behind the 3pt line. Offensive rebounding is not an issue if you are scoring easier with him on the perimeter
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Post by mdtd on Oct 19, 2020 14:57:21 GMT -5
Possibly. But, I think the distinction is that in the quote regarding hedging, Yurtseven was talking about Ewing the coach. I think the quote above is about Ewing the person. There is a big difference between someone who is kind and a fun person to talk to and be around, and a basketball coach. I agree with what you said about the differences between a coach and a person. There is also the job of being a coach and not necessarily being a player's friend. A coach doesn't allow a player to dictate to him about how he's going to coach and doesn't necessarily need someone who barely has any basketball experience tell him or question him about playing some defensive scheme. Being a player's friend would compromise the player's friend, who is supposed to the coach, and let the player do what he wants to do which isn't good for the system. I think the issue I have with this is more on the fact that Omer went to coach to learn why and learn how he could improve his positioning in this defense and coach just said "because I said so." It doesn't create a good impression, especially since our defense was atrocious last season and the hard hedge was a big part of that.
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Post by trillesthoya on Oct 19, 2020 15:13:34 GMT -5
I agree with what you said about the differences between a coach and a person. There is also the job of being a coach and not necessarily being a player's friend. A coach doesn't allow a player to dictate to him about how he's going to coach and doesn't necessarily need someone who barely has any basketball experience tell him or question him about playing some defensive scheme. Being a player's friend would compromise the player's friend, who is supposed to the coach, and let the player do what he wants to do which isn't good for the system. I think the issue I have with this is more on the fact that Omer went to coach to learn why and learn how he could improve his positioning in this defense and coach just said "because I said so." It doesn't create a good impression, especially since our defense was atrocious last season and the hard hedge was a big part of that. Yeah, every so often a major red flag comes up with Coach Ewing that I try to ignore. The whole "totally ignore player input" thing is a big one.
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Post by calhoya on Oct 19, 2020 15:17:16 GMT -5
I was also a little concerned by some of the comments, but only if it is true that no explanation was offered to questions from a player, but ultimately it's Ewing's team, and Ewing's recruits and he gets to make the decisions. Last year is virtually impossible to evaluate, but the two prior years help to offer glimpses as to what Ewing might be or not be as a coach. He has a desire to play quickly. He would like to use a deeper rotation than he could last year. He has failed yet to improve the defense of the team even though each year has featured a very different set and type of player. He has an ambitious approach to recruiting by offering many players, including very highly ranked players, but has at least this year had to settle for a collection of very unheralded recruits and transfers. Lots of questions, few answers and the hopes of Hoya nation riding on his success. Keep saying that this is a very important year for Ewing and I do not believe that results should be ignored. Expectations are probably as low as they have been in my memory and the bar is set very low. If he cannot exceed that low level of expectations then he is probably not the right guy to turn this around. I think that that is a very reasonable means by which to evaluate the coach and one that would not be questioned if his last name was not Ewing and his coaching roots were not traceable to Big John.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 15:23:52 GMT -5
I think the issue I have with this is more on the fact that Omer went to coach to learn why and learn how he could improve his positioning in this defense and coach just said "because I said so." It doesn't create a good impression, especially since our defense was atrocious last season and the hard hedge was a big part of that. Yeah, every so often a major red flag comes up with Coach Ewing that I try to ignore. The whole "totally ignore player input" thing is a big one. I met Omer, he is a nice guy. However, we are hearing him tell his side of the story. We haven't heard Coach's story. Was it "I want to learn both ways so I can figure out how to position myself better in both defensive schemes"? Or what is "Coach why don't we just play this one particular scheme instead of this one"? Sometimes kids want to take the easy way out and not necessarily buy into something. Maybe one defensive scheme was much easier for him and he would rather play that easier scheme. Besides all of that, if I were a coach and I am asking you to do one thing, I don't need you asking me about some other thing while we are working on this one thing. I need you to focus on that one thing that we are working on. As an employer, I've had to get rid of employees who want to do things their way and not do what I ask of them. Most of the time, when I would turn my back and trust them to get done what I want done, they would do it their way and screw up and cost me money and time. It is okay to question but at least give the coach's way a chance first. Like Mutombo says, "trust the system folks".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 15:31:13 GMT -5
I was also a little concerned by some of the comments, but only if it is true that no explanation was offered to questions from a player, but ultimately it's Ewing's team, and Ewing's recruits and he gets to make the decisions. Last year is virtually impossible to evaluate, but the two prior years help to offer glimpses as to what Ewing might be or not be as a coach. He has a desire to play quickly. He would like to use a deeper rotation than he could last year. He has failed yet to improve the defense of the team even though each year has featured a very different set and type of player. He has an ambitious approach to recruiting by offering many players, including very highly ranked players, but has at least this year had to settle for a collection of very unheralded recruits and transfers. Lots of questions, few answers and the hopes of Hoya nation riding on his success. Keep saying that this is a very important year for Ewing and I do not believe that results should be ignored. Expectations are probably as low as they have been in my memory and the bar is set very low. If he cannot exceed that low level of expectations then he is probably not the right guy to turn this around. I think that that is a very reasonable means by which to evaluate the coach and one that would not be questioned if his last name was not Ewing and his coaching roots were not traceable to Big John. "I think that that is a very reasonable means by which to evaluate the coach and one that would not be questioned if his last name was not Ewing and his coaching roots were not traceable to Big John". Do not forget he's tied to the Van Gundy's, Ray, Riley, Jordan etc etc etc. I think if I were a player on Georgetown's team, I would rather listen to coach than listen to my teammate whose belly aching. We'll see how far Omer gets with his basketball career. I hope he makes the hall of fame and coach for 15 years in the NBA. Do not forget guys, Omer was only here for one year. We have other players that will be walking the halls of Georgetown who will be coached by Ewing in the foreseeable future.
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Post by calhoya on Oct 19, 2020 16:18:04 GMT -5
I was also a little concerned by some of the comments, but only if it is true that no explanation was offered to questions from a player, but ultimately it's Ewing's team, and Ewing's recruits and he gets to make the decisions. Last year is virtually impossible to evaluate, but the two prior years help to offer glimpses as to what Ewing might be or not be as a coach. He has a desire to play quickly. He would like to use a deeper rotation than he could last year. He has failed yet to improve the defense of the team even though each year has featured a very different set and type of player. He has an ambitious approach to recruiting by offering many players, including very highly ranked players, but has at least this year had to settle for a collection of very unheralded recruits and transfers. Lots of questions, few answers and the hopes of Hoya nation riding on his success. Keep saying that this is a very important year for Ewing and I do not believe that results should be ignored. Expectations are probably as low as they have been in my memory and the bar is set very low. If he cannot exceed that low level of expectations then he is probably not the right guy to turn this around. I think that that is a very reasonable means by which to evaluate the coach and one that would not be questioned if his last name was not Ewing and his coaching roots were not traceable to Big John. "I think that that is a very reasonable means by which to evaluate the coach and one that would not be questioned if his last name was not Ewing and his coaching roots were not traceable to Big John". Do not forget he's tied to the Van Gundy's, Ray, Riley, Jordan etc etc etc. I think if I were a player on Georgetown's team, I would rather listen to coach than listen to my teammate whose belly aching. We'll see how far Omer gets with his basketball career. I hope he makes the hall of fame and coach for 15 years in the NBA. Do not forget guys, Omer was only here for one year. We have other players that will be walking the halls of Georgetown who will be coached by Ewing in the foreseeable future. Fair enough and I completely agree that Ewing came with significant recommendations and training. However, my point is that going forward he can and should be judged as any other coach heading into his 4th year at a program that still has some national cachet, even if diminished.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 16:22:24 GMT -5
"I think that that is a very reasonable means by which to evaluate the coach and one that would not be questioned if his last name was not Ewing and his coaching roots were not traceable to Big John". Do not forget he's tied to the Van Gundy's, Ray, Riley, Jordan etc etc etc. I think if I were a player on Georgetown's team, I would rather listen to coach than listen to my teammate whose belly aching. We'll see how far Omer gets with his basketball career. I hope he makes the hall of fame and coach for 15 years in the NBA. Do not forget guys, Omer was only here for one year. We have other players that will be walking the halls of Georgetown who will be coached by Ewing in the foreseeable future. Fair enough and I completely agree that Ewing came with significant recommendations and training. However, my point is that going forward he can and should be judged as any other coach heading into his 4th year at a program that still has some national cachet, even if diminished. Yeah but the thread was about Yurt speaking on a defensive scheme that Ewing wanted to run. How did it get to Ewing being judged for his job? Or, are we back to that again? Do you wish to have another coach instead of Ewing? Is this what your comment is really about? If so, who would you like to come and coach the Hoyas? Also, when do you expect for this coach to get us back to the final four?
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