blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 1, 2020 18:53:53 GMT -5
It is what it is. I will miss the warriors on the team who have been giving it their all the entire year. We know who they are.
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mdtd
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Post by mdtd on Mar 1, 2020 19:52:06 GMT -5
If you want to keep the Creighton game close, you desperately need Yurtseven back.
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blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 1, 2020 22:31:08 GMT -5
He’s not all that interested in coming back....and everyone knows it.
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Post by guru on Mar 2, 2020 7:56:04 GMT -5
He’s not all that interested in coming back....and everyone knows it. The Yurtseven experiment will go down alongside the Josh Smith experiment as an utter failure. We can only hope that Yurtseven might graduate, unlike Smith.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Mar 2, 2020 8:12:07 GMT -5
He’s not all that interested in coming back....and everyone knows it. The Yurtseven experiment will go down alongside the Josh Smith experiment as an utter failure. We can only hope that Yurtseven might graduate, unlike Smith. I want him back or another alternative. Anyone who saw the game yesterday saw that our frosh centers are not ready to start and we cannot count on a frosh-to-soph jump. It’s a huge risk for Pat’s career. Of this year’s roster, Blair and Pickett didn’t have that jump. Soph Mosely improved slightly in FG%, but had more TOs and lower FT%. Mac had potential to do it, but it’s inconclusive. No one else can be measured. Who was the last player to make that mythical jump at GU?
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Bigs"R"Us
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 2, 2020 8:16:16 GMT -5
Frankly, I was expecting Yurtseven to be way more impactful.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 2, 2020 8:16:45 GMT -5
He’s not all that interested in coming back....and everyone knows it. The Yurtseven experiment will go down alongside the Josh Smith experiment as an utter failure. We can only hope that Yurtseven might graduate, unlike Smith. This comment is going to go down as one of the dumbest and most butthurt in Hoyatalk history....unfortunately it doesn’t qualify for one of your most clown takes of this month even.
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 2, 2020 8:19:17 GMT -5
The Yurtseven experiment will go down alongside the Josh Smith experiment as an utter failure. We can only hope that Yurtseven might graduate, unlike Smith. I want him back or another alternative. Anyone who saw the game yesterday saw that our frosh centers are not ready to start and we cannot count on a frosh-to-soph jump. It’s a huge risk for Pat’s career. Of this year’s roster, Blair and Pickett didn’t have that jump. Soph Mosely improved slightly in FG%, but had more TOs and lower FT%. Mac had potential to do it, but it’s inconclusive. No one else can be measured. Who was the last player to make that mythical jump at GU? Literally what? Qudus not good enough to start? I see the self-hate and salt flows abundantly in the early mornings... Improvement is mythical now? No need to over complicate basketball...
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rhw485
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Post by rhw485 on Mar 2, 2020 8:23:36 GMT -5
The Yurtseven experiment will go down alongside the Josh Smith experiment as an utter failure. We can only hope that Yurtseven might graduate, unlike Smith. I want him back or another alternative. Anyone who saw the game yesterday saw that our frosh centers are not ready to start and we cannot count on a frosh-to-soph jump. It’s a huge risk for Pat’s career. Of this year’s roster, Blair and Pickett didn’t have that jump. Soph Mosely improved slightly in FG%, but had more TOs and lower FT%. Mac had potential to do it, but it’s inconclusive. No one else can be measured. Who was the last player to make that mythical jump at GU? I think that speaks more broadly to a player development question, and one this program has hopefully addressed w Crouch. I guess the answer is Otto Porter but it happens everywhere else across our league so we need to look in the mirror on that front. I would hope for bigs the player development falls on Ewing. I'm personally of the view that Yurt7 contribution was underappreciated, and calling this is a failure is very harsh. He was all set to be 1st team All-BE center before the injury and averaged a double double. Finalist for the National Center of Year Award. I think we expect too much out of the centers because of our history. I blame the defensive issues on broader systemic issues than anything he did. I am disappointed he did not spend the year off being a viable 3 point shooter, as it would've helped us and made him more viable professionally (although that's another player development question imo). I can't speak to the comments suggesting he doesn't want to play. He tried to play at less than 100%, re-injured himself and was ineffective when he tried to gut it out. None of us know his current medical status. Agree those expecting Wahab and Tim I. to simply replace the production we got from Yurt7 will be disappointed, one of the main reasons I think we're due to take a step back next year.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Mar 2, 2020 8:30:00 GMT -5
I want him back or another alternative. Anyone who saw the game yesterday saw that our frosh centers are not ready to start and we cannot count on a frosh-to-soph jump. It’s a huge risk for Pat’s career. Of this year’s roster, Blair and Pickett didn’t have that jump. Soph Mosely improved slightly in FG%, but had more TOs and lower FT%. Mac had potential to do it, but it’s inconclusive. No one else can be measured. Who was the last player to make that mythical jump at GU? Literally what? Qudus not good enough to start? I see the self-hate and salt flows abundantly in the early mornings... Improvement is mythical now? No need to over complicate basketball... I guess you didn’t see the game. The rest of your commentary is stupid. Care to answer who was the last player to make that mythical jump at GU?
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 2, 2020 8:34:44 GMT -5
Frankly, I was expecting Yurtseven to be way more impactful. I think everyone did. But (and this isn't responding to you but instead to others on this thread), there's an enormous difference between "disappointing in the sense that we thought we'd get more" and "his season was a failure" or "it's better that he's not playing now or won't be next year."
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rockhoya
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 2, 2020 8:46:20 GMT -5
Literally what? Qudus not good enough to start? I see the self-hate and salt flows abundantly in the early mornings... Improvement is mythical now? No need to over complicate basketball... I guess you didn’t see the game. The rest of your commentary is stupid. Care to answer who was the last player to make that mythical jump at GU? I guess you haven’t watched the whole season and your eyes can’t track specific areas of improvement.... And no, I don’t care to engage you on that silly point. I get you’re hurt because of your own unobjective and unrealistic expectations but being negative for the sake of being negative contributes nothing and quite frankly it’s weak.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 2, 2020 8:50:35 GMT -5
I guess you didn’t see the game. The rest of your commentary is stupid. Care to answer who was the last player to make that mythical jump at GU? I guess you haven’t watched the whole season and your eyes can’t track specific areas of improvement.... And no, I don’t care to engage you on that silly point. I get you’re hurt because of your own unobjective and unrealistic expectations but being negative for the sake of being negative contributes nothing and quite frankly it’s weak. Another silly post without answering the question. Btw, I’ve watched every game this season.
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madgesiq92
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Post by madgesiq92 on Mar 2, 2020 8:56:56 GMT -5
It has been frustrating to watch Kevin Willard develop a raw Romario Gill into more of an impact player than Yurtseven.
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 2, 2020 8:57:14 GMT -5
I guess you haven’t watched the whole season and your eyes can’t track specific areas of improvement.... And no, I don’t care to engage you on that silly point. I get you’re hurt because of your own unobjective and unrealistic expectations but being negative for the sake of being negative contributes nothing and quite frankly it’s weak. Another silly post without answering the question. Btw, I’ve watched every game this season. I just explained why I wouldnt engage the question....why are you acting like it’s even a relevant point or even a well-put question? And yeah I’m not surprised, so the way I see it is it’s particularly embarrassing for you to have “watched” all the games and still come to the conclusion that Qudus won’t be ready to start next year. But yeah anyway that’s the last you’re hearing from me until you have some real and accurate basketball-related and sports-related arguments to make..
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 2, 2020 9:00:05 GMT -5
It has been frustrating to watch Kevin Willard develop a raw Romario Gill into more of an impact player than Yurtseven. Yurt got hurt and Gill can block some shots, but if he can even be remotely considered more impactful it’s because of the team makeup....but even then Gill is not as good or impactful. Not even close. Stop with the self-deprecating doom and gloom. It surely can’t be making you feel any better. Don’t get lost in some post-game coach speak...
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Post by prhoya on Mar 2, 2020 9:01:57 GMT -5
Another silly post without answering the question. Btw, I’ve watched every game this season. I just explained why I wouldnt engage the question....why are you acting like it’s even a relevant point or even a well-put question? And yeah I’m not surprised, so the way I see it is it’s particularly embarrassing for you to have “watched” all the games and still come to the conclusion that Qudus won’t be ready to start next year. But yeah anyway that’s the last you’re hearing from me until you have some real and accurate basketball-related and sports-related arguments to make.. I understand my question is not easy to answer for you and instead you try silly attacks. My accurate analysis was too much for you to counter. Fellow poster rhw485 answered thoughtfully.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 2, 2020 9:39:00 GMT -5
There’s one simple question that we can ask: would this roster be better off if Yurtseven was not injured? The answer is clearly yes. As I’ve said elsewhere, he’s definitely not played as well as I expected he would, but he’s still a good solid player. Calling his recruitment or time at Georgetown a failure is absolutely ridiculous.
Every game we hear announcers say that what better a place for a big man to learn than at Georgetown. Yet, two years in a row our fan base has turned on our bigs (Govan and Yurtseven) and placed a ton of blame on them for softness, poor play, etc. I am not sure why the players keep getting blamed here and not the staff that’s supposed to be so excellent at developing big men.
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madgesiq92
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Post by madgesiq92 on Mar 2, 2020 9:39:47 GMT -5
It has been frustrating to watch Kevin Willard develop a raw Romario Gill into more of an impact player than Yurtseven. Yurt got hurt and Gill can block some shots, but if he can even be remotely considered more impactful it’s because of the team makeup....but even then Gill is not as good or impactful. Not even close. Stop with the self-deprecating doom and gloom. It surely can’t be making you feel any better. Don’t get lost in some post-game coach speak... a I’m literally looking at the KenPom numbers for both players and struggling to see what Yurt does better than Gill. Forget about the defensive side of the ball Gill has a better offensive efficiency rating.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 9:55:59 GMT -5
Yurt got hurt and Gill can block some shots, but if he can even be remotely considered more impactful it’s because of the team makeup....but even then Gill is not as good or impactful. Not even close. Stop with the self-deprecating doom and gloom. It surely can’t be making you feel any better. Don’t get lost in some post-game coach speak... a I’m literally looking at the KenPom numbers for both players and struggling to see what Yurt does better than Gill. Forget about the defensive side of the ball Gill has a better offensive efficiency rating. He's also almost 15 points higher than his teammate Myles Powell. So just tell us right now you think Gill's a (much) better offensive player than Powell and everyone can agree with the rest of your argument re: Omer.
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