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Post by professorhoya on Feb 21, 2020 12:16:40 GMT -5
I can. He's playing for a pro career and came here specifically to train for that with Patrick Ewing, not to make the minor league playoffs. If he's not ready, he's not ready. I think it has to be asked whether Mac was pushed back too quickly and whether he got hurt because of it. It’s also how you get labeled as “soft”. He was already a mid to end 2nd round selection in the nba....as an owner, you now perhaps think twice. If his aspiration is to play in Europe...yeah, sit out all the games you like. Again, if I was a game time decision for Butler, just don’t see how I am not at least I am a game time decision before the provy game. But that’s just me. Yurt7 sat out an entire year so he could learn from Pat (and he probably could have gone pro in some overseas league and made six figures). After all that the crew decided to go quit, bail and transfer leaving a skeleton of a team. Despite all that the team has played way above there heads. I don't think we can question Yurt7's dedication and if he could play he would be out there.
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Post by kettlehill on Feb 21, 2020 12:19:18 GMT -5
Not sure who else caught this, but I thought it was peculiar at the time so I went back to re-watch it. Right before tipoff at Butler, Andy Katz gave the update on Yurtseven and then Tim Brando said this: "In defense of the circumstances for Patrick Ewing, the loss of McClung may be more difficult today than the loss of Yurtseven. But in truth, what we're really witnessing is modern day college basketball where the coaches today sometimes just have to understand the modern day internet athlete, and who that athlete may be listening to. I'll leave it there." Made me think there are "handlers" thinking of his future professional paychecks. I thought that this statement by Brando was irresponsible and cowardly at the time, and now given its repercussions is even more sleazy. Are we to assume that he has inside info? Or what. Who was he talking about? So he throws out this BS intimating insider status, then says: “ Ill leave it at that”. This from an “insider” who mis-indentified Hoya players throughout the game.
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 21, 2020 12:22:29 GMT -5
Not sure who else caught this, but I thought it was peculiar at the time so I went back to re-watch it. Right before tipoff at Butler, Andy Katz gave the update on Yurtseven and then Tim Brando said this: "In defense of the circumstances for Patrick Ewing, the loss of McClung may be more difficult today than the loss of Yurtseven. But in truth, what we're really witnessing is modern day college basketball where the coaches today sometimes just have to understand the modern day internet athlete, and who that athlete may be listening to. I'll leave it there." Made me think there are "handlers" thinking of his future professional paychecks. I thought that this statement by Brando was irresponsible and cowardly at the time, and now given its repercussions is even more sleazy. Are we to assume that he has inside info? Or what. Who was he talking about? So he throws out this BS intimating insider status, then says: “ Ill leave it at that”. This from an “insider” who mis-indentified Hoya players throughout the game. Is senile old man Brando talking about McLung (internet athlete) or Yurt7?
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Post by justsaying on Feb 21, 2020 12:51:32 GMT -5
Yurt7 thread
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 21, 2020 12:55:15 GMT -5
Thanks - was looking for that Ava Wallace quote. Ridiculous how some here really want to go out of their way to paint Ewing in a bad light. Yeah, he really isn't coming across as a coach who supports his players and it really seems to be hurting recruiting. [That's sarcasm,in case anyone missed that.] I frickin hate this board sometimes. So much sanctimony. I will fully acknowledge that perhaps Ewing made a poor choice of words and/or did not mean for the comment to be interpreted as it has been by some (including me) here. But, the fact that multiple of us had the same reaction to the comment demonstrates that Ewing's choice of words was not clear. This isn't trying to paint Ewing in a bad light or going out of our way to do so, it's his own words. I realize that some here love Ewing, admire him as a Hall of Famer, and Georgetown great (which he was, and he deserves tons of respect for all of that), but all that doesn't mean he cannot make a mistake, even if the words were inadvertently a bad choice. As others have said, Ewing could have simply said, "Yurtseven is cleared medically, but still has some pain, so we are taking it day to day," and the last 3 pages of this thread would not exist right now.
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Post by njhoyalawya on Feb 21, 2020 12:57:13 GMT -5
When did he give that opinion? I listened to the press conference and read the recaps on the BE call. He gave no such opinion. He said Yurt was medically cleared, but chose not to play; it was Yurt's choice to make. That is it. And, Ava Wallace responded to a post on Twitter: To be very clear, I didn't hear any "blame" in Ewing's voice when he said Yurtseven was still feeling pain. Said it plainly. "He's been cleared, but still has pain." It sounded *to me* like the "still has pain" was the most important part. Saying that someone is medically cleared to play and "chose" not to is the statement. You know what that says. There's already 10 posters here saying that he's soft off of that one statement, because there is an implication there. They could easily have just said he's hurt and not ready. Yes, it says exactly what it means. It was his choice -- because the doctors cleared him -- and he chose not to play. Ewing honored that choice. Ewing simply spoke the facts when asked in the press conference. He explained it further in the BE call, and Ava Wallace cleared the confusion. Was he disappointed that Yurt chose not to play? I am sure he was. Why would he not be? Ewing is known to be a no-nonsense guy. He tells it like it is. In this case, he told us exactly how it was. Yurt was medically cleared, but chose not to play. Nothing more, nothing less. Hopefully, he is back on Saturday. Based upon his IG post of this morning, my guess is he will be playing. Go Hoyas!
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 21, 2020 13:00:26 GMT -5
I have no issue with Pat saying that Yurt "chose" not to play. That is the entire truth. If a recruit comes here because he has the option to make the decision not to play and the coach will be honest about that, then so be it. At this point though, either you think Pat throws his players under the bus or you think he's brutally honest about a player's decision. Getting close to dead horse territory here. You can be honest with your players without doing it publicly. Most successful coaches are honest to their player's face, but then do not recite their thoughts to the press. I think that is all most of us are expecting from Pat. Know when and when not to say things, erring on the side of saying nothing. I understand what you are saying but throughout Pat's time as HC at Georgetown, he has been brutally honest when asked a question. It's his personality overall. Yes he needs some polishing of his PR skills but I don't think this particular statement is as big of a deal as people are making. Unless you think he never talked to Yurt and just took that statement to the press passive-aggressively. This is what people have wanted to get away from the Hoya Paranoia and program secrecy. The coach is sharing his thoughts and reasons why things happen. Additionally, we have seen him err on the side of saying nothing this year when it is important enough (the legal/disciplinary issues).
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 21, 2020 13:19:37 GMT -5
Just a suggestion: let's try to keep the Yurtseven thread about Yurtseven. There's a Mac McCLung thread and even a thread about whether Coach Ewing's press releases and press conference comments mean what they read to mean. I'm going to have to waste a bunch of time moving digression discussion to different threads after work today. SMH On edit: multiple posts debating press releases and other discussion about the coach not this player were moved.
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Post by justsaying on Feb 21, 2020 13:22:24 GMT -5
Saying that someone is medically cleared to play and "chose" not to is the statement. You know what that says. There's already 10 posters here saying that he's soft off of that one statement, because there is an implication there. They could easily have just said he's hurt and not ready. Yes, it says exactly what it means. It was his choice -- because the doctors cleared him -- and he chose not to play. Ewing honored that choice. Ewing simply spoke the facts when asked in the press conference. He explained it further in the BE call, and Ava Wallace cleared the confusion. Was he disappointed that Yurt chose not to play? I am sure he was. Why would he not be? Ewing is known to be a no-nonsense guy. He tells it like it is. In this case, he told us exactly how it was. Yurt was medically cleared, but chose not to play. Nothing more, nothing less. Hopefully, he is back on Saturday. Based upon his IG post of this morning, my guess is he will be playing. Go Hoyas! true; nothing more, nothing less. if we don't want player information then the staff should revert to holding most information internal as before this staff was here. it's kind of refreshing to get player information similar to NBA sports
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Post by Omega on Feb 21, 2020 13:27:14 GMT -5
Oh just grown-up. Y'all hate for Coach Ewing is annoying. If he does "A" y'all say he should have done "B". If he does "B" y'all scream he should have done "A". The truth is y'all just hate that he has been successful in life. So whenever he makes a gaff, it's necessary to point it out to the world.
It's okay little boys and girls, he does make mistakes, so you will have plenty of opportunity to feel good about your little lives.
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Post by swhoya on Feb 21, 2020 13:37:22 GMT -5
Chill out everyone. I think it was probably “you can go but your ankle is tender, if you wait a few more days it will be less tender” so he choose to sit out another game to get closer to 100% (no inside info - but my gut feeling having dealt with enough injuries in competitive sports growing up) You guys are putting a lot of stock in a single word choice which I don’t believe gave the whole picture.
I don’t know where you guys get “me first” and all that. He has seemed to me to be a very good team mate. Does he think he is “the man” of course he does. So does Mac and Blair - and guess what, WE NEED THAT AND WANT THAT. You guys are crazy In watching the press conference, it was more the way PE said it that struck me as significant. I would say that the word choice was likely a deliberate one. I'd say it's beyond the pale that so-called fans would turn on one of their players and start questioning a players toughness, character, and life prospects because of a word, which undoubtedly doesn't tell the whole story, but I'm certainly not surprised. After all, this is the board that spent a gazillion posts questioning a player's commitment based on whether he smiled enough. Get a grip people. You don't know what's going on with his ankle. Being able to play is not the same thing as being able to play full speed. I've commented before that I think we would have been better off in the providence game with Yurt if he was healthy, and I think would have won the game. But I don't know what his level of pain is, and how fully engaged he could have been. I'd rather him sit and get him back for the rest of the season than have him play and have the same thing that happened to Mac and possibly lose him the rest of the way. Seriously, the way this board bashes its players based on the scantest of evidence--pretty sure most of us are lucky to not be so harshly judged. PE may very well have been sending a message to Yurt. But I promise he wasn't sending a message to you to judge the player not knowing what is going on.
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Post by Filo on Feb 21, 2020 13:48:47 GMT -5
Thanks - was looking for that Ava Wallace quote. Ridiculous how some here really want to go out of their way to paint Ewing in a bad light. Yeah, he really isn't coming across as a coach who supports his players and it really seems to be hurting recruiting. [That's sarcasm,in case anyone missed that.] I frickin hate this board sometimes. So much sanctimony. I will fully acknowledge that perhaps Ewing made a poor choice of words and/or did not mean for the comment to be interpreted as it has been by some (including me) here. But, the fact that multiple of us had the same reaction to the comment demonstrates that Ewing's choice of words was not clear. This isn't trying to paint Ewing in a bad light or going out of our way to do so, it's his own words. I realize that some here love Ewing, admire him as a Hall of Famer, and Georgetown great (which he was, and he deserves tons of respect for all of that), but all that doesn't mean he cannot make a mistake, even if the words were inadvertently a bad choice. As others have said, Ewing could have simply said, "Yurtseven is cleared medically, but still has some pain, so we are taking it day to day," and the last 3 pages of this thread would not exist right now. I am pretty agnostic on the Ewing front. I just want to see the Hoyas relevant again. So, I am more than willing to admit when he makes a mistake. His choice of words didn't bother me, but I will be happy to concede that -- unlike Ava Wallace - some might have interpreted them as negative. So, fine it's a mistake if you want to call it a mistake. But, yes, some are painting Ewing in a bad light by trying to tie in this somewhat dubious "mistake" with other crap, such as the Akinjo announcement, to pretend that Ewing somehow throws his players under the bus. It's utter BS, and obviously the recruits who have visited the program know it and they know Ewing has a great relationship with his players. The recruits' comments validate that, and so do the recent commitments. Sorry for the continued digression. I will drop it.
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Post by centercourt400s on Feb 21, 2020 16:17:18 GMT -5
Just a suggestion: let's try to keep the Yurtseven thread about Yurtseven. There's a Mac McCLung thread and even a thread about whether Coach Ewing's press releases and press conference comments mean what they read to mean. I'm going to have to waste a bunch of time moving digression discussion to different threads after work today. SMH Sorry Dan. The poster I was responding to made his absurd Ewing allegations in the context of Yurtseven's injury, then he added Mac's injury into the conversation as absurd additional evidence. I was just responding to the allegations in the space they were written. And I believe the allegations demanded a response. But I see your point. Hopefully this can all go to a more appropriate place, or perhaps it can just stop altogether. That would be nice.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 21, 2020 16:21:37 GMT -5
That would be historical. First time any disagreement ever stopped altogether in the history of HoyaTalk!
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Post by bicentennial on Feb 21, 2020 18:52:48 GMT -5
That would be historical. First time any disagreement ever stopped altogether in the history of HoyaTalk! They say adversity can lead to growth. Hoping this for both Hoyatalk and Yurtseven!
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Post by joey0403p on Feb 22, 2020 8:59:21 GMT -5
Any intel on The latest with yurt?
It’s been a while since he hurt it - it’s gotta be better now, right?
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 22, 2020 11:56:46 GMT -5
“From a manager’s perspective, you’re guided by medics and himself. He just didn’t quite get the right feeling going into the Chelsea game.”
The former Celtic boss has stated the Nigeria international will be given time to fully recover from the knee injury before rejoining his side.
“We can’t put any pressure on him to force him through,” he continued.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 22, 2020 23:16:18 GMT -5
The good thing is we can now let him rest his ankle for his pro career in Europe. Play Q and Tim for next year. Nothing left to play for this year.
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Post by blueandgray on Feb 23, 2020 11:27:31 GMT -5
I actually felt bad for yurt when he re-aggravated his ankle and slammed his hand in frustration. I think it was the first time this year that he expressed that degree of emotion. Wherever he ends up...I just hope he brings that emotion to the court. I would love for yurt to have a solid career...whether at gtown or elsewhere.
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Post by TC on Feb 23, 2020 13:05:47 GMT -5
I actually felt bad for yurt when he re-aggravated his ankle and slammed his hand in frustration. I think it was the first time this year that he expressed that degree of emotion. Wherever he ends up...I just hope he brings that emotion to the court. I would love for yurt to have a solid career...whether at gtown or elsewhere. "Actually felt bad" - how big of you. Ewing and the medical staff doing a great job here, they are now 2-2 with putting hurt players out on the floor too soon and watching them reinjure themselves.
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