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Post by prhoya on Feb 20, 2020 9:44:30 GMT -5
To me it’s simple. By all accounts Yurtseven had not even practiced yet. Hard to push a guy to get his first action in a game. We saw what happened with Mac. Have to question the judgment to allow him to play with the injury it looks like he has. As for the coach, he has to operate with what the players and medical staff tell him. Agree. I was pleasantly surprised when I saw Mac warming up before the game. Then he started to shoot 3s and missed 5 in a row by hitting the front of the rim. By my count, he made 1 of 10, which made me wonder if he was ready. But, like you said, you go with what the player tells you and we needed help.
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Post by njhoyalawya on Feb 20, 2020 9:53:02 GMT -5
Chill out everyone. I think it was probably “you can go but your ankle is tender, if you wait a few more days it will be less tender” so he choose to sit out another game to get closer to 100% (no inside info - but my gut feeling having dealt with enough injuries in competitive sports growing up) You guys are putting a lot of stock in a single word choice which I don’t believe gave the whole picture.
I don’t know where you guys get “me first” and all that. He has seemed to me to be a very good team mate. Does he think he is “the man” of course he does. So does Mac and Blair - and guess what, WE NEED THAT AND WANT THAT. You guys are crazy In watching the press conference, it was more the way PE said it that struck me as significant. I would say that the word choice was likely a deliberate one.
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Post by bostonfan on Feb 20, 2020 9:55:45 GMT -5
I don't think it is a good idea, or fair, to question a players character or toughness, without really knowing what he is going through physically. He is still a young guy who is trying to work through a difficult injury and balance what is best for him and his team.
Give him the benefit of the doubt and hope he returns to full strength soon.
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Post by NCHoya on Feb 20, 2020 10:12:35 GMT -5
If Yurt had not practiced since his injury, why would he play in this game? Ewing was a warrior when he was with the Knicks, but he was a professional with the security of a contract. It is awfully hard to ask Yurt to play when he has nothing to gain - you get no bonus points from scouts for playing mediocre because of injury. Also, after seeing what happened to Mac, you have to wonder if Mac was pressed into playing and just did not have Yurt's maturity to say no.
2003's point about Ewing using the media to undercut his players is real, and I am also not comfortable with it. Some of this might be Ewing's poor choice of words, frustration, etc; but it has happened too often to be totally excused. Ewing needs to take on more of the accountability in public, and not burden his players with blame. Keep it in the locker room.
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Post by hoyas315 on Feb 20, 2020 12:21:22 GMT -5
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Post by mdtd on Feb 20, 2020 12:32:33 GMT -5
Sometimes playing through pain actually hurts the team, especially if he would've played slower and softer against this Providence team. His decision makes sense. Playing slower would've hurt last night. Get healthy and beat DePaul and Xavier.
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Post by justsaying on Feb 20, 2020 12:48:35 GMT -5
If Yurt had not practiced since his injury, why would he play in this game? Ewing was a warrior when he was with the Knicks, but he was a professional with the security of a contract. It is awfully hard to ask Yurt to play when he has nothing to gain - you get no bonus points from scouts for playing mediocre because of injury. Also, after seeing what happened to Mac, you have to wonder if Mac was pressed into playing and just did not have Yurt's maturity to say no. 2003's point about Ewing using the media to undercut his players is real, and I am also not comfortable with it. Some of this might be Ewing's poor choice of words, frustration, etc; but it has happened too often to be totally excused. Ewing needs to take on more of the accountability in public, and not burden his players with blame. Keep it in the locker room. Not saying anyone here is wrong or right, but the coach also played 4 years as a college student and to think in those 4 years played he would know a little bit about possibly being injured and being ready to play with a certain amount of pain outside of a professional career. Some here have mentioned in the past they wanted more information to be available on players, now that we are seemingly starting to get that, now some seems to want that tempered. There is no right or wrong here, but one thing is certain we are not in that locker room. Just a thought.
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Post by TC on Feb 20, 2020 13:14:28 GMT -5
Some here have mentioned in the past they wanted more information to be available on players, now that we are seemingly starting to get that, now some seems to want that tempered. We're not getting more information, we're getting finger pointing.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 20, 2020 13:26:55 GMT -5
Some here have mentioned in the past they wanted more information to be available on players, now that we are seemingly starting to get that, now some seems to want that tempered. We're not getting more information, we're getting finger pointing. Correct. There is a big difference between these two: What Ewing Said (based on the Bancroft Tweet): Omer has been cleared to play but still has pain. It's his choice. What Ewing Could Have Said: The doctors have cleared Omer to play, but he still has pain, so we are taking it day by day. By saying it is Yurtseven's choice, it seems that Ewing is basically saying he doesn't have an opinion as to whether Omer plays with pain (or worse, he thinks he should)? We saw how well bringing McClung back prematurely worked last night. I really think this is an area where Ewing needs to work on his PR. Frankly, I think Ewing's PR approach is poor in this respect, and I do not think it's something that is going to make recruits want to play for him. It's not 1985 anymore.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 20, 2020 13:40:17 GMT -5
With regard to Mac, he had missed a couple weeks if practice, then had only one or two sessions, so I think Patrick just hoped Mac could give some minutes to spell the others, with maybe a little production. He then stepped on a defender's foot, not like he just aggravated it in the normal run of play.
As for Yurt, true that everyone has their own pain threshold and knows his own body best. Then again doctors usually know what the risk of re-injury, or more importantly of making an injury even worse, would be.
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Post by s4hoyas on Feb 20, 2020 18:21:14 GMT -5
Athletes play with a little pain all the time...I would even say its the norm...once the risk to further injury has subsided, its really just what the player can tolerate...and all Patrick was saying is that its up to the player to make the call...some of this commentary is a bit over the top to me...personally, if Yurt was able to go at least somewhat vs. Butler, I don't know why he wouldn't be able to go to some degree vs Providence barring any further injury...his team desperately needed him..I hope he's ready and can give us a good performance vs DePaul...his team needs him badly, assuming he can go...
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Post by OmaHoya on Feb 20, 2020 18:33:46 GMT -5
Not sure who else caught this, but I thought it was peculiar at the time so I went back to re-watch it.
Right before tipoff at Butler, Andy Katz gave the update on Yurtseven and then Tim Brando said this:
"In defense of the circumstances for Patrick Ewing, the loss of McClung may be more difficult today than the loss of Yurtseven. But in truth, what we're really witnessing is modern day college basketball where the coaches today sometimes just have to understand the modern day internet athlete, and who that athlete may be listening to. I'll leave it there."
Made me think there are "handlers" thinking of his future professional paychecks.
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Post by SDHoya on Feb 20, 2020 18:39:07 GMT -5
Not sure who else caught this, but I thought it was peculiar at the time so I went back to re-watch it. Right before tipoff at Butler, Andy Katz gave the update on Yurtseven and then Tim Brando said this: "In defense of the circumstances for Patrick Ewing, the loss of McClung may be more difficult today than the loss of Yurtseven. But in truth, what we're really witnessing is modern day college basketball where the coaches today sometimes just have to understand the modern day internet athlete, and who that athlete may be listening to. I'll leave it there." Made me think there are "handlers" thinking of his future professional paychecks. May be a reference to a former Hoya PG as well.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Feb 20, 2020 18:40:12 GMT -5
Not sure who else caught this, but I thought it was peculiar at the time so I went back to re-watch it. Right before tipoff at Butler, Andy Katz gave the update on Yurtseven and then Tim Brando said this: "In defense of the circumstances for Patrick Ewing, the loss of McClung may be more difficult today than the loss of Yurtseven. But in truth, what we're really witnessing is modern day college basketball where the coaches today sometimes just have to understand the modern day internet athlete, and who that athlete may be listening to. I'll leave it there." Made me think there are "handlers" thinking of his future professional paychecks. Could be....we just dont know. I did watch the Ewing presser and I did not glean the same negative reaction to Yurt as others did. I'm sure he wishes he were out there but I didn't find anything forceful or I tended by his tone or choice of words. It's a sprained ankle....by a guy that puts a lot of weight on it. As anyone with an injury like that knows, it feels pretty good a fair time before it's actually healed. You step on a crack in the sidewalk and you re injure it. By all that I just mean....we just can't know with any level of confidence what is going through his head (or his ankle).
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Feb 20, 2020 18:42:57 GMT -5
If you were on the bench last night watching Jagan Mosely and Terrell Allen play, laying it out completely on the line, you best suit up next game if you are capable.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 19:55:39 GMT -5
Not sure who else caught this, but I thought it was peculiar at the time so I went back to re-watch it. Right before tipoff at Butler, Andy Katz gave the update on Yurtseven and then Tim Brando said this: "In defense of the circumstances for Patrick Ewing, the loss of McClung may be more difficult today than the loss of Yurtseven. But in truth, what we're really witnessing is modern day college basketball where the coaches today sometimes just have to understand the modern day internet athlete, and who that athlete may be listening to. I'll leave it there." Made me think there are "handlers" thinking of his future professional paychecks. I did hear that, and thought it a very strange thing to say. Thanks for reminding.
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Post by njhoyalawya on Feb 20, 2020 20:57:07 GMT -5
If you were on the bench last night watching Jagan Mosely and Terrell Allen play, laying it out completely on the line, you best suit up next game if you are capable. Exactly. From the information available on the recent commits, it looks like PE is figuring out his type of player. Just like hiring in the workplace, sometimes you have to learn through trial and error and some misfires. I have a really good feeling about the incoming class, especially Beard.
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Post by justsaying on Feb 20, 2020 21:33:55 GMT -5
Some here have mentioned in the past they wanted more information to be available on players, now that we are seemingly starting to get that, now some seems to want that tempered. We're not getting more information, we're getting finger pointing. as stated before in that same post, There is no right or wrong here, but one thing is certain we are not in that locker room. share with us the additional information you have.
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Post by Loyal Hoya on Feb 20, 2020 22:19:16 GMT -5
I agree with those who say that we fans should not judge Yurtseven's situation/decision. We know that he was medically cleared, but we don't know what the docs told him, his level of pain, or his ability to contribute given his pain. I do not interpret Ewing's remarks as calling out or throwing shade on Yurtseven. It seems that he was straightforwardly answering the question that was asked. We know that Ewing has stated that players who are healthy should play (in reference to a hypothetical about Zion Williamson last year), but he also made it clear that it is a player's decision. We also know that Ewing has generally expressed pro-player sentiment and that he was President of the NBPA for several years. The idea that he is calling out players to deflect blame on himself is ridiculous and unfair. If you compare Ewing's press conferences to those of his peers (Izzo, Boeheim, K), you might be tempted to assume that he was an SFS grad rather than an art major, given his level of diplomacy.
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Post by hoyainla on Feb 20, 2020 23:43:32 GMT -5
I wonder how this debate falls on the lines of who supports players getting paid vs not.
The truth is Yurt's stock is free falling. If he or those around him thinks playing at less than 100% will hurt it more then he will likely sit. While a lot of guys have NBA aspirations, Yurt has been considered a 1st round pick for a long time and now the finish line is in sight and its looking less and less likely. He's trying to hold on for dear life.
I was very shocked how there were conflicting reports before the Butler game but now it all makes sense.
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