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Post by mapei on Mar 7, 2020 15:52:55 GMT -5
How about we just look forward to his continued development and enjoy his college career for two more years at Georgetown?
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Post by 95hoya on Mar 7, 2020 16:09:34 GMT -5
Yeah that never happened. Right... Where's the quote from the NBA GM?
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 7, 2020 20:25:26 GMT -5
Where's the quote from the NBA GM? If you rely on explicit public examples of proof to make sense of the world then you are missing a lot (not to mention the quote is in that article...). Mac returns as the best pure scorer in the big East next year and was the best after Howard and Powell this year.....yes I know the NBA requires role players and Mac is instant offense and sees the floor well. The NBA game is much more conducive to his game...it’s not rocket science. He improves the consistency on his jumper and he’s absolutely a prospect.....I don’t think many around here understand how much attitude factors into the success of an athlete (and anyone, for that matter). The kid’s competitiveness is only paralleled by a select few since I’ve been a fan...
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Mar 7, 2020 22:33:27 GMT -5
Where's the quote from the NBA GM? If you rely on explicit public examples of proof to make sense of the world then you are missing a lot (not to mention the quote is in that article...). Mac returns as the best pure scorer in the big East next year and was the best after Howard and Powell this year.....yes I know the NBA requires role players and Mac is instant offense and sees the floor well. The NBA game is much more conducive to his game...it’s not rocket science. He improves the consistency on his jumper and he’s absolutely a prospect.....I don’t think many around here understand how much attitude factors into the success of an athlete (and anyone, for that matter). The kid’s competitiveness is only paralleled by a select few since I’ve been a fan... Got it. It's that measurable "attitude" that no one can actually measure where the same behavior is often seen completely different based on your feelings about the player. Ok, I guess the quote in the article if "he doesn't shoot it consistently....3 pt numbers are ugly and the box score is kind of empty other than points" is an endorsement that he sees an NBA guard in his assessment. I agree with an earlier poster that suggested we enjoy the next two years and hope he improves enough to make this scout eat his words.
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Post by tashoya on Mar 7, 2020 22:44:39 GMT -5
Where's the quote from the NBA GM? If you rely on explicit public examples of proof to make sense of the world then you are missing a lot (not to mention the quote is in that article...). Mac returns as the best pure scorer in the big East next year and was the best after Howard and Powell this year.....yes I know the NBA requires role players and Mac is instant offense and sees the floor well. The NBA game is much more conducive to his game...it’s not rocket science. He improves the consistency on his jumper and he’s absolutely a prospect.....I don’t think many around here understand how much attitude factors into the success of an athlete (and anyone, for that matter). The kid’s competitiveness is only paralleled by a select few since I’ve been a fan... What do you think Powell and Howard's chances are of making the NBA? Mac has a lot of work to do to be as good as either of those guys. For now, since he's a sophomore, why not just root for him to be an excellent college player? One step at a time.
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Post by cgallstar02 on Mar 8, 2020 1:23:08 GMT -5
I just wonder how much non Georgetown basketball some of you watch. I'm not saying he definitely won't get there but right now,he hasn't shown a single consistent trait that is NBA caliber. This year is screwed up due to injury but he was definitely trending towards a repeat of last year's statistics with just higher minutes/usage. We just played Creighton and I'd suggest that all 3 of their guards are better prospects at the moment. I watch plenty of non Georgetown games and all I can say is if Nico Mannion and Cole Anthony are considered early to mid lottery selections, I don't see how Mac can't at least be in consideration for a second round pick. Not saying he is better than either of those guys, hence why he's not a projected lotto pick as they are, but watching the games, neither of those guys jump out as being significantly better than Mac. The only major advantage I see from those two is that they have better pure PG skills, particularly Mannion... still, I believe given the opportunity Mac has the skills to play PG, assuming he can somewhat curb his shot first mentality. He hasn't really gotten a chance to showcase that yet, since we had Akinjo and then Allen the last 2 seasons. Depending on what happens with the last couple roster spots next season, he may finally get a chance, at least part time to play some PG. If so, I think he will surprise some people. People can trash his shooting all they want, and yes he needs to get better, that said, let's compare his shooting numbers to the supposed top 3 college guards in the draft. Edwards - FG% 41 3PT% 31 FT% 78 Mannion - FG% 39 3PT% 33 FT% 81 Anthony - FG% 39 3PT% 36 FT% 76 Mac - FG% 39 3PT% 32 FT% 80 All four guys have extremely similar shooting numbers, so if Mac needs to improve there, you can certainly say the same for the top 3 college guards in the draft as well. As for his NBA traits, he certainly has NBA athleticism. His first step is quite good as is his ability to finish at the rim and create his own shot. His handles might not be Kyrie Irving caliber, but they are more than adequate. He splits double teams fairly effortlessly, and as wild and aggressive as he plays, rarely turns the ball over.
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Post by cgallstar02 on Mar 8, 2020 2:09:49 GMT -5
He's not close to an NBA player. Lots of kids can score. Role players in the NBA have to defend, rebound, pass and catch and shoot. He doesn't do that. Plenty of guys in the NBA that are scoring or shooting specialists that do little else. Lou Williams and Jamal Crawford would be two guys that come to mind as scoring specialists that provided little else to the box score much of their careers. And there are tons of Kyle Korver types out there that shoot and do little else. To assume that scoring ability alone is not enough to make it to the NBA is false. Beyond that, college to NBA doesn't always translate. Mr. Triple Double Russell Westbrook averaged 13 pts with 4 rebs and 4 assts in his sophomore year in college. Personally I think he compares favorably to Kendrick Nunn, and may even find a similar path to the pros. They have the same height, same body type, undersized SG's that are aggressive, athletic scorers. Nunn went undrafted and worked his way up from the G League. I could see the same happening with Mac. But, who knows... one part everyone is forgetting about or underestimating is individual workouts and athletic combine testing. I believe Mac will shine in both of those areas. People attribute Divincenzo's first round selection to his championship game performance, and yea that was a big part... but he also killed it in the athletic testing at the combine. If he'd been average there, he likely slips to the end of the first round or somewhere in the second. At the end of the day it only takes for one NBA GM to fall in love with a kid. There's enough potential there for that to happen with Mac. As for the scout talking about Mac... it's an article that used a quote... the scout could've said 10 great things before that, but the article is going to use the quote that fits the narrative they're trying to tell. If I asked a scout to break down Zion's game, I guarantee he would have plenty of negative things to critique him about, the same goes for every player ever. Every player breakdown is going to have pros and cons, unless you get the full breakdown you're just hearing what the article writer wants you to hear.
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Post by cgallstar02 on Mar 8, 2020 2:21:16 GMT -5
If you rely on explicit public examples of proof to make sense of the world then you are missing a lot (not to mention the quote is in that article...). Mac returns as the best pure scorer in the big East next year and was the best after Howard and Powell this year.....yes I know the NBA requires role players and Mac is instant offense and sees the floor well. The NBA game is much more conducive to his game...it’s not rocket science. He improves the consistency on his jumper and he’s absolutely a prospect.....I don’t think many around here understand how much attitude factors into the success of an athlete (and anyone, for that matter). The kid’s competitiveness is only paralleled by a select few since I’ve been a fan... What do you think Powell and Howard's chances are of making the NBA? Mac has a lot of work to do to be as good as either of those guys. For now, since he's a sophomore, why not just root for him to be an excellent college player? One step at a time. Personally I think both will make it, assuming they both go in the second round as projected I could see them both being steals... especially Howard. Mac is certainly not as good as either right now, but I don't see how that translates. Most of the players projected above them in the first round aren't nearly as good of college players as Howard and Powell either. Heron is nowhere near as good, but is also projected to go in the second round.
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Post by bigelephant on Mar 8, 2020 9:30:40 GMT -5
I just hope for two more years of a vastly improved Mac!!!
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 8, 2020 9:59:29 GMT -5
I just hope for two more years of a vastly improved Mac!!! Yep, let's see how much and in what ways he can improve his game. Then we can have these arguments in 2 years when they are actually relevant!
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Post by smokeyjack on Mar 8, 2020 15:54:15 GMT -5
Once again, timing of this discussion is comical when kid can’t even stay on the floor for his undermanned college team.
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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Mar 8, 2020 15:57:57 GMT -5
Once again, timing of this discussion is comical when kid can’t even stay on the floor for his undermanned college team. Intentionally making it seem like he’s sitting for any reason other than injury lmao. Nice.
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Post by cgallstar02 on Mar 8, 2020 16:44:16 GMT -5
Once again, timing of this discussion is comical when kid can’t even stay on the floor for his undermanned college team. Timing of the discussion seems solely predicated on the Bleacher Report article written a few days ago, literally detailing Mac's chances of making the NBA some day. No article, no discussion. Regardless, not sure what his injury status has to do with anything... it's sports, athletes get hurt every day... he's not sitting out these games by choice.
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 9, 2020 0:07:12 GMT -5
If you rely on explicit public examples of proof to make sense of the world then you are missing a lot (not to mention the quote is in that article...). Mac returns as the best pure scorer in the big East next year and was the best after Howard and Powell this year.....yes I know the NBA requires role players and Mac is instant offense and sees the floor well. The NBA game is much more conducive to his game...it’s not rocket science. He improves the consistency on his jumper and he’s absolutely a prospect.....I don’t think many around here understand how much attitude factors into the success of an athlete (and anyone, for that matter). The kid’s competitiveness is only paralleled by a select few since I’ve been a fan... Got it. It's that measurable "attitude" that no one can actually measure where the same behavior is often seen completely different based on your feelings about the player. Ok, I guess the quote in the article if "he doesn't shoot it consistently....3 pt numbers are ugly and the box score is kind of empty other than points" is an endorsement that he sees an NBA guard in his assessment. I agree with an earlier poster that suggested we enjoy the next two years and hope he improves enough to make this scout eat his words. Sounds like you can’t evaluate attitude, no need to project that onto me. But anywho, agree to disagree...
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 9, 2020 0:07:46 GMT -5
If you rely on explicit public examples of proof to make sense of the world then you are missing a lot (not to mention the quote is in that article...). Mac returns as the best pure scorer in the big East next year and was the best after Howard and Powell this year.....yes I know the NBA requires role players and Mac is instant offense and sees the floor well. The NBA game is much more conducive to his game...it’s not rocket science. He improves the consistency on his jumper and he’s absolutely a prospect.....I don’t think many around here understand how much attitude factors into the success of an athlete (and anyone, for that matter). The kid’s competitiveness is only paralleled by a select few since I’ve been a fan... What do you think Powell and Howard's chances are of making the NBA? Mac has a lot of work to do to be as good as either of those guys. For now, since he's a sophomore, why not just root for him to be an excellent college player? One step at a time. It’s not a zero sum situation...
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Post by blueandgray on Mar 9, 2020 1:11:06 GMT -5
I just want a healthy Mac. The kid is a grinder....love his energy and passion. If he continues to improve...watch out. If not, he’s still a major asset and great guy.
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Mar 9, 2020 7:29:20 GMT -5
Got it. It's that measurable "attitude" that no one can actually measure where the same behavior is often seen completely different based on your feelings about the player. Ok, I guess the quote in the article if "he doesn't shoot it consistently....3 pt numbers are ugly and the box score is kind of empty other than points" is an endorsement that he sees an NBA guard in his assessment. I agree with an earlier poster that suggested we enjoy the next two years and hope he improves enough to make this scout eat his words. Sounds like you can’t evaluate attitude, no need to project that onto me. But anywho, agree to disagree... You got me! I guess I can't. I'm pretty good at evaluating what the NBA scout quote actually said. I'll wait for the upcoming draft where I can hear all of the talking heads ignore the players results against top college competition and draft based on their interpretation of attitude. I mean we had a ball dominant guard that didn't like to pass but led the conference in assists who was "selfish" but it's nice to know that we have the ball dominant guard that doesn't like to pass that has a "great attitude". Okay partner, I'm just glad that your skills at evaluating attitude are better than mine. Now that i realize that, i think we are going to the final four next year.
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Post by cindad on Mar 9, 2020 7:59:13 GMT -5
I just wonder how much non Georgetown basketball some of you watch. I'm not saying he definitely won't get there but right now,he hasn't shown a single consistent trait that is NBA caliber. This year is screwed up due to injury but he was definitely trending towards a repeat of last year's statistics with just higher minutes/usage. We just played Creighton and I'd suggest that all 3 of their guards are better prospects at the moment. I watch plenty of non Georgetown games and all I can say is if Nico Mannion and Cole Anthony are considered early to mid lottery selections, I don't see how Mac can't at least be in consideration for a second round pick. Not saying he is better than either of those guys, hence why he's not a projected lotto pick as they are, but watching the games, neither of those guys jump out as being significantly better than Mac. The only major advantage I see from those two is that they have better pure PG skills, particularly Mannion... still, I believe given the opportunity Mac has the skills to play PG, assuming he can somewhat curb his shot first mentality. He hasn't really gotten a chance to showcase that yet, since we had Akinjo and then Allen the last 2 seasons. Depending on what happens with the last couple roster spots next season, he may finally get a chance, at least part time to play some PG. If so, I think he will surprise some people. People can trash his shooting all they want, and yes he needs to get better, that said, let's compare his shooting numbers to the supposed top 3 college guards in the draft. Edwards - FG% 41 3PT% 31 FT% 78 Mannion - FG% 39 3PT% 33 FT% 81 Anthony - FG% 39 3PT% 36 FT% 76 Mac - FG% 39 3PT% 32 FT% 80 All four guys have extremely similar shooting numbers, so if Mac needs to improve there, you can certainly say the same for the top 3 college guards in the draft as well. As for his NBA traits, he certainly has NBA athleticism. His first step is quite good as is his ability to finish at the rim and create his own shot. His handles might not be Kyrie Irving caliber, but they are more than adequate. He splits double teams fairly effortlessly, and as wild and aggressive as he plays, rarely turns the ball over. He is very far from being a NBA prospect. The NBA GM spelled it out very clearly in the article with the issue. To make the NBA you have to do 2 things at the NBA-level. I'll buy the reports he has NBA athleticism based on testing. But in game thats not the case. Mosely is a more explosive athlete in games. But everyone in the NBA is a NBA athlete, and the fact he can't just blow by players at will at the college level, what happens when you go up another level? If he was playing in the B10 or ACC how would he perform against high-caliber athletes nightly. The BE is a major conference but physical ability of the players is just a notch below the larger conferences? Outside of Nova, what teams have made an Elite 8 appearance since the 2014? The guy can score IF his shot is falling, there is no indicator he can do that on the nightly basis as a focal point of a team's offense. Also at his height he is just a poor ball handler. Here are some late first/second round graded guards, is he a better ballhandler than: Tre Jones D Dotson Javonte Smart Ayo Donsumo Ty Alexander (D-Wade light) So thats 5 guys of equal scoring capability similar heights, and already better ballhandlers/distributors of the basketball. Remember guys like JJ Reddick and Steph Curry. Their NBA careers were questionable late in their college careers because of their inability to handle the ball. Things they did almost exclusively their last year of college because their teams needed it, and also their resume needed. Until the stat geeks say its okay, Basketball people will refuse to put a player on the floor who can't handle the ball under 6'5", because it limits the team offensive, esp in the NBA. Kick it super old school Trajon Langdon was an excellent shooter in college but a terrible ballhandler, horrific this is probably the most extreme example of shooting to ball-handling for a fairly capable college guard. Once his shot wasn't falling in the NBA he buried on the bench for a terrible team, and didn't even play in 25% of the games over 3 years. Typically to be successful at that height you need to be a good consistent scorer, an excellent shooter, or be a lockdown defender. Being a capable distributor of the basketball is a given. Esp when there is skill is highly available otherwise. Michigan fan as a primary team but GU is the BE team I watch regularly. I'll take a guy like Duncan Robinson. Midway through his last year we saw a guy who was an obvious late 2nd or UFA. But would stick on a NBA team. He shot the ball well, a good ballhandler, plus he is 6'7", long, and can move his feet enough to stay with guards. Basically Malinowski on steroids. Plus he moves off the ball well so he comes open, a lot. McClung doesn't move off the ball at all except for that play GU runs with a downscreen and he comes off to the FT extended/Elbow and its a catch and shoot which he hits at a good clip honestly. This could be due to scheme or personal style of play. But 2 years into a college career unless there is drastic changes the book is written on your capabilities. Understand prior to his extended absence he had played some serious minutes in his career. All those guards in his HS class that are on much better teams ranked 50-150 that were buried behind upperclassman are starting to emerge now, and it will only accelerate next year. Lots players in outside the top 50 in major conferences don't get a situation like his of essentially unlimited playing time from day 1 on campus. Ranking means little 2 years in and the amount of time played though honestly, there are sophmores on my Michigan team who are night and day from the beginning of the season to now because they are actually playing. Be objective, McClung better right now than say a Tremont Waters/Carsen Edwards? Because thats the closes thing I can think of right now. Tremont Waters or Edwards is shorter, but I'm thinking in terms of recent college guys. If these guys were late 2nd round picks and prob wont be in the NBA in 2-3 years. It shows you have stiff the competition is. Remember Europe is producing 4-5 NBA guards a year now.
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Post by smokeyjack on Mar 9, 2020 9:23:18 GMT -5
Agree with pretty much all Cindad posted other than questioning the BE. I'll agree Big 10 is a stronger league this season, but ACC isn't close top to bottom - weakest that league has ever been. Don't forget - GU rolled Cuse...and that was after the defections and pushed Duke - No. 8 BE pushing No. 1 ACC. Just think ACC is very, very average this year. No question that Duke, FSU, UVA and UL are all very good, but bottom half of that conference is REALLY weak. Ga Tech at 5 is wretched, and it gets much worse before you get to Wake, BC and Pitt. Literally every season, BE gets stronger relative to other conferences top to bottom IMO.
As for Mac, I like certain aspects of his game, but he's nowhere close to an NBA player at this point - not remotely close. And given his style of play, getting injured is a HUGE red flag for NBA GMs, because his current effectiveness requires him to hurl himself all over the floor AI-style. B-chuck did that for more than a decade before an injury caused him to miss games.
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 9, 2020 9:39:30 GMT -5
Agree with pretty much all Cindad posted other than questioning the BE. I'll agree Big 10 is a stronger league this season, but ACC isn't close top to bottom - weakest that league has ever been. Don't forget - GU rolled Cuse...and that was after the defections and pushed Duke - No. 8 BE pushing No. 1 ACC. Just think ACC is very, very average this year. No question that Duke, FSU, UVA and UL are all very good, but bottom half of that conference is REALLY weak. Ga Tech at 5 is wretched, and it gets much worse before you get to Wake, BC and Pitt. Literally every season, BE gets stronger relative to other conferences top to bottom IMO. As for Mac, I like certain aspects of his game, but he's nowhere close to an NBA player at this point - not remotely close. And given his style of play, getting injured is a HUGE red flag for NBA GMs, because his current effectiveness requires him to hurl himself all over the floor AI-style. B-chuck did that for more than a decade before an injury caused him to miss games. They also aren't better ball handlers. They are better PGs and make better decisions but Mac's handles are not a problem....also that wasn't the#8 BE team when GTown played Duke. It was probably the #4/#5BE team. That was pre-defections...
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