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Post by tashoya on Jan 7, 2022 21:20:57 GMT -5
I have no problem admitting I was wrong about him getting to the league. Good for him. The statement at the time was accurate. Since you're such a fanboy, how do you feel about the minutes Mac is getting? If he had any of the skills Williams had, he wouldn't be nailed to the bench. His minutes are exactly what I would expect. He was initially signed when they had like 10 guys out with Covid, he would've gotten heavy minutes the first game but the game ended up being postponed because the Raptors didn't have 8 guys. By the time the Bulls played again, all 10 guys had cleared protocols. His second 10 day was as a practice body since they had a few new guys out plus a few injuries. On top of that they're probably trying to get a good look at him as a potential signing for next season, or a late season signing this year in the event a guard suffers a season ending injury. At the end of the day they're the #1 current team in the East, why would a UDFA on a 10 day be playing any real minutes for them? Heck, someone like Bouknight who I think was a lotto pick on a team not as good as the Bulls can barely get minutes for the Hornets and if he does it's garbage time, so not sure why you think I would expect Mac to be playing now that almost all the guys are back? It's still a great experience for him, and could potentially lead to something in the future with the Bulls next year or later this season. Agree. If he had any skills remotely close to Jason Williams, he would have seen spot minutes. I don't know why you find admitting that so difficult. |
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 11, 2022 14:21:29 GMT -5
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Post by tashoya on Jan 11, 2022 15:54:06 GMT -5
I guess they didn't see all of the Jason Williams comps on this board. |
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Post by cgallstar02 on Jan 16, 2022 23:34:42 GMT -5
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Post by cgallstar02 on Jan 17, 2022 1:01:38 GMT -5
Agree. If he had any skills remotely close to Jason Williams, he would have seen spot minutes. I don't know why you find admitting that so difficult. Couldn't you say the same about Rex Chapman who was a better NBA player than J-Will? So what's the difference? You seem really clueless about how NBA player comparisons work. Watched a couple of Baylor games, multiple times Fran Fraschilla compared Akinjo to Kyle Lowry. Is he saying Akinjo is going to be a first round pick and future NBA all-star? Of course not. He's saying Akinjo's style of play reminds him of Kyle Lowry. When Andrew Wiggins came out of high school he was compared to LeBron James. Do you remember Harold Miner aka Baby Jordan? He was compared to MJ cus he was a great dunker and looked somewhat like MJ. No player is ever going to be a perfect comparison. Kobe is the closest we've ever had to MJ but there's still a ton of differences. Of course there's a ton of differences between Williams/McClung as I already outlined for you. There's also a lot of similarities. Essentially the same height (6'1, 6'2)... grew up in tiny towns in Virginia/West Virginia... McClung has a very similar haircut to the one Williams had in high school, college and his rookie year. Neither player was a big recruit out of high school. Both players will go for the flashy play over the fundamental one. Williams is the only under 6'3 white guy dunking in NBA games over the last 20-30 years than I can think of. Both players were far more popular than how good they were/are merited. And as I already proved, McClung himself stated in high school that Williams was his favorite player and the player he modeled his game after which is quite obvious to anyone who watched Williams play much back in the day. Secondly, you do realize that most NBA comparisons are based on someones ceiling? A mid level NBA starter which Williams was is McClung's ceiling. His floor is maybe a few more 10 day call ups over the next couple years followed by a career over seas. Most probable is somewhere in between. Lastly, do you think James Bouknight could be "remotely" as good as Williams by the time his career is over? He was a lottery pick and plays for a team not as good or deep at the guard position as the Bulls and can't seem to get spot minutes. Yet you expect McClung on a pair of 10 days to be playing 10-20 minutes a night off the bench for a team vying for home court advantage and a 1 seed in the playoffs? Where a player is today has little to do with where they will be in 3-5 years. McClung could very well be playing in Europe 3 years from now, or he could be a starter or rotation guy on an NBA team, regardless of what he's doing it won't deter from the fact he has a lot of similarities to Williams. |
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Post by tashoya on Jan 17, 2022 20:55:33 GMT -5
Agree. If he had any skills remotely close to Jason Williams, he would have seen spot minutes. I don't know why you find admitting that so difficult. Couldn't you say the same about Rex Chapman who was a better NBA player than J-Will? So what's the difference? You seem really clueless about how NBA player comparisons work. Watched a couple of Baylor games, multiple times Fran Fraschilla compared Akinjo to Kyle Lowry. Is he saying Akinjo is going to be a first round pick and future NBA all-star? Of course not. He's saying Akinjo's style of play reminds him of Kyle Lowry. When Andrew Wiggins came out of high school he was compared to LeBron James. Do you remember Harold Miner aka Baby Jordan? He was compared to MJ cus he was a great dunker and looked somewhat like MJ. No player is ever going to be a perfect comparison. Kobe is the closest we've ever had to MJ but there's still a ton of differences. Of course there's a ton of differences between Williams/McClung as I already outlined for you. There's also a lot of similarities. Essentially the same height (6'1, 6'2)... grew up in tiny towns in Virginia/West Virginia... McClung has a very similar haircut to the one Williams had in high school, college and his rookie year. Neither player was a big recruit out of high school. Both players will go for the flashy play over the fundamental one. Williams is the only under 6'3 white guy dunking in NBA games over the last 20-30 years than I can think of. Both players were far more popular than how good they were/are merited. And as I already proved, McClung himself stated in high school that Williams was his favorite player and the player he modeled his game after which is quite obvious to anyone who watched Williams play much back in the day. Secondly, you do realize that most NBA comparisons are based on someones ceiling? A mid level NBA starter which Williams was is McClung's ceiling. His floor is maybe a few more 10 day call ups over the next couple years followed by a career over seas. Most probable is somewhere in between. Lastly, do you think James Bouknight could be "remotely" as good as Williams by the time his career is over? He was a lottery pick and plays for a team not as good or deep at the guard position as the Bulls and can't seem to get spot minutes. Yet you expect McClung on a pair of 10 days to be playing 10-20 minutes a night off the bench for a team vying for home court advantage and a 1 seed in the playoffs? Where a player is today has little to do with where they will be in 3-5 years. McClung could very well be playing in Europe 3 years from now, or he could be a starter or rotation guy on an NBA team, regardless of what he's doing it won't deter from the fact he has a lot of similarities to Williams. Shorter version: they're both white and have some flash. Their games aren't remotely similar. And, no, I didn't expect Mac to get minutes because he's not good enough to stick in the NBA. Williams was because he had a varied skillset. Mac does not. |
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Post by hoyas212 on Jan 17, 2022 22:28:27 GMT -5
Mac got 2 10 day contracts because of coronavirus necessitating g league call ups at a rate many multiples higher than under normal circumstances. He'd be extremely fortunate to get another 10 day contract in a normal season. His game is not similar to Jason Williams, one of the most gifted passers ever. And his ceiling is nowhere close to a nba rotational piece.
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Post by cgallstar02 on Jan 18, 2022 3:19:36 GMT -5
Mac got 2 10 day contracts because of coronavirus necessitating g league call ups at a rate many multiples higher than under normal circumstances. He'd be extremely fortunate to get another 10 day contract in a normal season. His game is not similar to Jason Williams, one of the most gifted passers ever. And his ceiling is nowhere close to a nba rotational piece. Says the same group of geniuses who trashed Yurtseven on a daily basis two years ago about how'd he never be an NBA player. Same group that's now doubting Aminu's chances as an NBA player... if that's where the opinions are now, just imagine if he ever decided to transfer? He'd go from borderline NBAer to G League benchwarmer in about 5 minutes. Funny how every good player that transfers suddenly has no chance at the NBA, and even the good ones that stick around get very little respect since most fans seem unable to differentiate the players abilities from the ineptitude of their coach. |
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Post by aleutianhoya on Jan 18, 2022 8:32:44 GMT -5
Mac got 2 10 day contracts because of coronavirus necessitating g league call ups at a rate many multiples higher than under normal circumstances. He'd be extremely fortunate to get another 10 day contract in a normal season. His game is not similar to Jason Williams, one of the most gifted passers ever. And his ceiling is nowhere close to a nba rotational piece. Says the same group of geniuses who trashed Yurtseven on a daily basis two years ago about how'd he never be an NBA player. Same group that's now doubting Aminu's chances as an NBA player... if that's where the opinions are now, just imagine if he ever decided to transfer? He'd go from borderline NBAer to G League benchwarmer in about 5 minutes. Funny how every good player that transfers suddenly has no chance at the NBA, and even the good ones that stick around get very little respect since most fans seem unable to differentiate the players abilities from the ineptitude of their coach. Not everyone trashed Yurtseven. Some did. Others didn't. Just like some were always high on Mac; others not so much. In any event, regardless of one's opinions on individual players, you can't look at Yurt and fairly conclude anything but that he was benefited by being here. That may not ACTUALLY be true; none of us has any idea what he actually learned here and developed here versus what could have happened at another school. But the perception can't be anything but that he transferred here and now is succeeding in the league on the strength of a classic low-post game of the ilk that one would identify with our head coach. Fair or not. Right or wrong. For the record: Mac: Size and finishing at the rim will always be an issue. His professional future depends almost entirely on his consistency from outside. His athleticism is good enough at this level, although not elite as it was at lower levels. I personally don't think he improved in any of those areas when he left, at least not at a rate different from what would have happened here. Aminu: Right now? I just don't see it. Not able to get to the basket against athletic defenders and his shot is nowhere near what would be necessary at the next level, particularly for a guy without elite quickness. Good finisher when he gets to the rim, but not elite. And his playmaking is a negative currently. So, there's not much in the offensive arsenal at present that screams "he's an NBA player." I do think he has the makeup to turn into a plus-to-elite defender. If you combine that with what is already elite rebounding for his size and position, then he can turn that into an NBA career with just a bit of improvement from outside, or developing better playmaking ability. It's possible all of that happens, of course. It's just that it's a lot. |
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Post by hoyas212 on Jan 18, 2022 9:56:34 GMT -5
Mac got 2 10 day contracts because of coronavirus necessitating g league call ups at a rate many multiples higher than under normal circumstances. He'd be extremely fortunate to get another 10 day contract in a normal season. His game is not similar to Jason Williams, one of the most gifted passers ever. And his ceiling is nowhere close to a nba rotational piece. Says the same group of geniuses who trashed Yurtseven on a daily basis two years ago about how'd he never be an NBA player. Same group that's now doubting Aminu's chances as an NBA player... if that's where the opinions are now, just imagine if he ever decided to transfer? He'd go from borderline NBAer to G League benchwarmer in about 5 minutes. Funny how every good player that transfers suddenly has no chance at the NBA, and even the good ones that stick around get very little respect since most fans seem unable to differentiate the players abilities from the ineptitude of their coach. Changing the subject because you're entirely incorrect, just as you were about how good NBA scouts are at their jobs. Yurtseven was already on NBA team's radars when he came to Georgetown. People were critical of his play and nobody thought he'd be setting rookie rebounding records, but nobody is surprised he's an NBA player. Only Georgetown fans thought Jamorko Pickett had a shot at the NBA, and he's already on a 2 way contract and has been called up multiple times. Saying Aminu's decision making and game have a long way to go isn't doubting his NBA chances. Everyone recognizes his potential based on size, skill, and work ethic. As much animosity as people have for Akinjo, don't think anyone would be too surprised if he is able to develop into a backup pg in the league. Mac had a good college career, he way overachieved based on his ranking. His success was predicated on his ability to penetrate and draw fouls, which he would never be able to do at the NBA level. It's pretty cool that he got to have a cup of coffee in the NBA because a pandemic necessitated an unprecedented number of G League call ups. To compare him to Jason Williams or say he's got NBA rotation potential is just Gate City cult delusion. The NBA isn't looking for small shoot first guards who don't shoot or defend very well. His basketball playing future is 99% more likely to be in Cypress than Chicago. |
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Post by tafkashfsee on Jan 18, 2022 10:04:52 GMT -5
It is amazing to me how many couch potatoes on here really want this young man to fail. Probably half of you all never even picked up a basketball. I'm rooting for you Mac! Keep doing what you're doing playa and ignore the haters!
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Post by tashoya on Jan 18, 2022 15:51:47 GMT -5
It is amazing to me how many couch potatoes on here really want this young man to fail. Probably half of you all never even picked up a basketball. I'm rooting for you Mac! Keep doing what you're doing playa and ignore the haters! Pointing out that he has a slim chance of making the NBA isn't the same as rooting for him to fail. Just as blowing smoke up his butt isn't the same as having an actual point with regard to his chances. As for the couch potato part and the basketball part, I don't think you're making the point you think you are but at least you're consistent in that regard. |
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Post by tafkashfsee on Jan 18, 2022 15:56:25 GMT -5
It is amazing to me how many couch potatoes on here really want this young man to fail. Probably half of you all never even picked up a basketball. I'm rooting for you Mac! Keep doing what you're doing playa and ignore the haters! Pointing out that he has a slim chance of making the NBA isn't the same as rooting for him to fail. Just as blowing smoke up his butt isn't the same as having an actual point with regard to his chances. As for the couch potato part and the basketball part, I don't think you're making the point you think you are but at least you're consistent in that regard. How do you know how much of a chance he has in making the NBA? Are you a scout, an evaluator, who are you? |
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Post by hoyas212 on Jan 18, 2022 19:22:43 GMT -5
Pointing out that he has a slim chance of making the NBA isn't the same as rooting for him to fail. Just as blowing smoke up his butt isn't the same as having an actual point with regard to his chances. As for the couch potato part and the basketball part, I don't think you're making the point you think you are but at least you're consistent in that regard. How do you know how much of a chance he has in making the NBA? Are you a scout, an evaluator, who are you? Even if you disagree with peoples’ assessment of his professional basketball potential, you could do the math. What percentage of the NBA is comprised of undrafted U.S. born college players? It’s a very small percentage. |
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Post by tashoya on Jan 18, 2022 20:24:49 GMT -5
Pointing out that he has a slim chance of making the NBA isn't the same as rooting for him to fail. Just as blowing smoke up his butt isn't the same as having an actual point with regard to his chances. As for the couch potato part and the basketball part, I don't think you're making the point you think you are but at least you're consistent in that regard. How do you know how much of a chance he has in making the NBA? Are you a scout, an evaluator, who are you? Remind me what position he got drafted? A fairly good indicator of how much of a chance a guy has is his draft position. You remember the draft, right? The one Mac wasn't selected in. That doesn't mean he has no shot. It means he has a very slim chance. It's made that much slimmer because he doesn't have a single elite skill. Not one. His biggest advantage is his athleticism which, as everyone with 2 eyes knows, isn't the advantage at the pro level as it was in college. And, he didn't dominate in college with his athleticism. And, his measurables work against him, too. If he were 6'7" with his athleticism, we'd be talking about an entirely different thing. Sort of like talking about Mac and White Chocolate. To say that he's more likely to play internationally than he is to stick in the NBA isn't crapping on the kid. It's objectively true. |
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Post by cgallstar02 on Jan 19, 2022 5:56:34 GMT -5
33 pts, 8 boards, 4 assists, 4 steals, 2 blocks tonight
Vintage White Chocolate on this play... steal, behind the back, no look alley-oop
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Post by tafkashfsee on Jan 19, 2022 8:43:52 GMT -5
33 pts, 8 boards, 4 assists, 4 steals, 2 blocks tonight Vintage White Chocolate on this play... steal, behind the back, no look alley-oop He's only got a slim chance of making the NBA because he was an undrafted bum. Don't you all expect for him to be in the NBA, he's just wasting his time. |
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Post by hoyas212 on Jan 19, 2022 9:20:00 GMT -5
33 pts, 8 boards, 4 assists, 4 steals, 2 blocks tonight Vintage White Chocolate on this play... steal, behind the back, no look alley-oop He's only got a slim chance of making the NBA because he was an undrafted bum. Don't you all expect for him to be in the NBA, he's just wasting his time. If the eye test of Mac's college career and NBA summer league doesn't convince you that Mac has long odds to make the NBA, do the simple math. It's an objective fact that undrafted U.S. born college players have a slim chance of sticking in the NBA, especially if they go undrafted as an upperclassman. Jason Williams was extremely highly regarded, he was the #7 overall pick. |
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Post by cgallstar02 on Jan 19, 2022 16:25:51 GMT -5
How do you know how much of a chance he has in making the NBA? Are you a scout, an evaluator, who are you? Even if you disagree with peoples’ assessment of his professional basketball potential, you could do the math. What percentage of the NBA is comprised of undrafted U.S. born college players? It’s a very small percentage. Here's a list of undrafted players that played in the NBA... while the list includes players who have only played a few games and cover every year in history, let's focus in on the last few years and the players that have carved out starting or rotational roles in the NBA. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_undrafted_playersNow, it generally takes UDFA's longer to get going since they usually don't get to the league for a year or two after their draft and even then it takes a team longer to give them a shot, so let's go back a few years and look at the 2016 draft. To be quick, I'm only checking out players I'm familiar with as current NBA guys. 2016... wikipedia stats aren't including this seasons NBA stats so those games played and started aren't added Ryan Arcidiacano 207 GP, 36 GS Alex Caruso 184 GP, 19 GS Yogi Ferrell 259 GP, 53 GS Dorian Finney Smith 314 GP, 202 GS Bryn Forbes 331 GP, 165 GS Shaq Harrison 173 GP, 23 GS Danuel House 179 GP, 92 GS Derrick Jone's Jr 229 GP, 89 GS Damion Lee 153 GP, 48 GS David Nwaba 191 GP, 46 GS Gary Payton 71 GP, 23 GS Wayne Selden 127 GP, 27 GS Fred Van Fleet 283 GP, 134 GS So that's at least 13 UDFA's that carved out roles in the NBA from one draft class. There were probably several I missed as well. Every guys path is obviously different. Caruso for instance was way behind Arcidicano his first couple seasons, but now Arch is essentially out of the league while Caruso is starting for one of the best teams in the league and just signed a pretty big contract. Now let's look at Mac's draft class. While there's a ton of factors that will go in to a UDFA becoming a full time NBA player, the one unbiased, non opinion related factor would be stats. The G League 50 game season is about 1/3rd complete. In order to qualify for a league leader, you need to of played 6 games or more. Mac has played 16. Mac ranks 15th in the G League in scoring, and 12th in assists. Of the players from Mac's draft class, both drafted and undrafted you've got 2 ahead of him in scoring, Carlik Jones (UDFA) and Brandon Boston (2nd round pick) only 6 games played since's he's mainly with the big club now. Assists you've got Ayayi, McKinley Wright, and RJ Nebhard ahead of Mac, all UDFA's. Based on looking at the 2016 class, it's safe to assume that an average of 10 or so guys per draft will go from UDFA to essentially being real NBA players and not just there for a few games type of thing. Looking at Mac's G League stats, he seems to be one of the top 2 or 3 guys along with Carlik Jones from his draft class, not only for UDFA's, but a lot of 2nd and even some first round picks have been playing primarily in the G League from Mac's class, yet he seems to be outperforming pretty much all of them. Even more impressive, Mac is doing that as being undrafted and not on a 2 way, since teams are generally prioritizing their 2 way guys and draft picks in terms of playing time and offensive focal point. Additionally, Mac is on arguably the most talented team in the G League outside of the Ignite. Frank Mason, Cam Oliver, Mason Jones, Chaundee Brown, Jay Huff, Sekou Dembouya, Paris Bass, Stanley Johnson. To lead that team in scoring and be ranked 12th in the G League in assists is pretty impressive considering how much NBA talent is there. So if 10 guys from this class will go from UDFA (there's one seemingly already in Austin Reeves) to long term NBA players and Mac is outperforming virtually all of them, one would have to think that's a pretty good barometer that Mac has a decent chance to be one of those 10 or so guys. Of course he may not, but you can't deny that at least for now he's certainly trending in that direction. |
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Post by cgallstar02 on Jan 19, 2022 17:02:23 GMT -5
Says the same group of geniuses who trashed Yurtseven on a daily basis two years ago about how'd he never be an NBA player. Same group that's now doubting Aminu's chances as an NBA player... if that's where the opinions are now, just imagine if he ever decided to transfer? He'd go from borderline NBAer to G League benchwarmer in about 5 minutes. Funny how every good player that transfers suddenly has no chance at the NBA, and even the good ones that stick around get very little respect since most fans seem unable to differentiate the players abilities from the ineptitude of their coach. Changing the subject because you're entirely incorrect, just as you were about how good NBA scouts are at their jobs. Yurtseven was already on NBA team's radars when he came to Georgetown. People were critical of his play and nobody thought he'd be setting rookie rebounding records, but nobody is surprised he's an NBA player. Only Georgetown fans thought Jamorko Pickett had a shot at the NBA, and he's already on a 2 way contract and has been called up multiple times. Saying Aminu's decision making and game have a long way to go isn't doubting his NBA chances. Everyone recognizes his potential based on size, skill, and work ethic. As much animosity as people have for Akinjo, don't think anyone would be too surprised if he is able to develop into a backup pg in the league.Mac had a good college career, he way overachieved based on his ranking. His success was predicated on his ability to penetrate and draw fouls, which he would never be able to do at the NBA level. It's pretty cool that he got to have a cup of coffee in the NBA because a pandemic necessitated an unprecedented number of G League call ups. To compare him to Jason Williams or say he's got NBA rotation potential is just Gate City cult delusion. The NBA isn't looking for small shoot first guards who don't shoot or defend very well. His basketball playing future is 99% more likely to be in Cypress than Chicago. Where did I say he wasn't on NBA radars? That's exactly why folks were bashing his NBA chances. No one was ever trashing guys like Allen, Blair, Mosely, Malinowski, etc in terms of their NBA chances because they were never considered as possible NBA players. Only players thought to have somewhat of a chance (Akinjo, Mac, Yurt, Pickett, etc) got bashed about how they would never make the league. Also, since you claim to of been around back then to authoritatively claim to know what was being said about Yurt during his time here, who were you posting as back then? Your account says it was created in 2021 and I have no clue who I'm even talking to. Now as for Yurt and the opinions of many on this board, let's look at some gems from a mid season thread that was titled "Yurtseven's Struggles" and had to be renamed because the original title was too offensive. This is a collection of comments from that thread followed by just a few from Yurt's own thread. 1. One thing is for sure....Wahab has more upside than both and knows what to do with the ball when he has it down low.
2. Amen brother!!!!
3. Good luck in the WNBA Omer!
4. Why did anyone expect him to be different than the player he was at NC State. He chose to sit out a year when he was already a starter on a high major team. It was a bizarre decision. He wanted to go to the NBA but he's not an NBA player.
5. They are both on Dickie vs all charmin team.
6. This kid is more hard-headed than Govan, and that's a lot to say. At least Govan showed a superlative feature in his 3-pt shooting. Omer and Pat have scrapped that part of his game. I wonder what feedback he will receive from the NBA workouts and if he'll then leave school or return, go to Europe or the G-League.
7. He needs to learn how to finish when he's two feet away from the basket. A falling away hook shot with no arch just doesn't cut it....especially when you have a 4 inch height difference than the guy guarding you. Time to get tough Omer!! Sheesh.
8. Q really showed me a lot tonight. If he got a step on his defender, he was looking to tear the rim down every chance he got. A far cry from our current and most recent former starting centers.Even PC McQ gets in on the action taking a slight jab at Yurt's D with this one. 9. I thought the postgame reply by Ewing that he wants to see more from Q on the defensive end was curious. Hard to claim the defense was vastly better last night with the starter in there.
10. Yurt is flawed. I don’t see his chances in the nba, anyone with size can shut him down. He is a nice college player and can def play professionally if he’d like. I just don’t think that will be in nba
11. Ewing didn’t fade away like Yurtseven and wasn’t soft.
Now here's a few from Yurt's thread 1. He is SOFT. Will be a pro but most likely not in the NBA.
2. Seems like a nice guy & I hope he has a solid career in the pros....not the NBA. Not good enough. Don’t care about metrics, usage or scheme I simply think of one 4 letter word when I think of Yurtseven: S-O-F-T .
3. Why would Yurt return? Would he improve his stock enough to warrant first round NBA money? Considering how he was manhandled by the better big men in our league this year I see no future for him in the NBA. He blew his chance to impress this year. He's headed to Europe and eventually a successful career outside of basketball. Nice guy, some soft basketball skills but seriously lacking in basketball meanery.
4. If by "get a chance," you mean he'll get invited to Portsmouth (if that even happens with Covid19), then, yes, he'll get another chance to prove he's not as soft offensively, as slow defensively and as generally ineffective against like-sized guys as he looked this season. I'd love to have him back given our returning roster and its many holes. I think there would be plenty of minutes for him and Qudus, so don't put me in the camp that thinks his return would slow Wahab's growth one bit. That said, I don't think it would help him that much to come back. What he does well (great shot from inside '12, a nice array of fadeaway moves, solid movement without the ball and decent passer) and what he does not (horrific finisher for size in close, slow defensive recovery, unproven deep shot) isn't likely to change that much with another year.
5. He's a pure finesse guy with slow feet and no "meanery." Those guys do better in the NBA than the Big East, but only if they are considerably more efficient than Yurt on the offensive end. He left a LOT of points out there on missed bunnies and mishandled putbacks and can't cover one 4 or 5 in the NBA...not ONE...on a single roster. In fact, he's so marginal athletically and generally passive, I'm not sure there's a 3 in the NBA who wouldn't eat him up on both ends of a matchup. I see him as a solid reserve on a pro team in Europe.
6. In my opinion Yurtseven is slow and not very athletic. He has a great jump shot, I have not seen outstanding range. And I would consider him slow. He appears massive but doesn't move quickly at all.
7. It's not just that he is slow, it's also that he plays soft. Q doesn't need to play 40mins. We just need Tim or Malcolm to be able to spell Q for 10-15mins. I would take a tough guy like Jones(Xavier) everyday over a more skilled softy like Yurt. Q gives the toughness and most of the skillset...
8. I am hoping against hope, more than anything else heading into the offseason, that he is not back next year. It was a failed experiment. A risk worth taking at the time, but a pretty poor outcome for all parties. Move on.
To be fair there was very small hand full of posters that seemed to genuinely believe in Yurt as a future NBA player. And a decent amount that while certainly not calling him a future NBAer were at least supportive and basically would say, why bash him, he's a Hoya, support him and wish him the best. |
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