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Post by professorhoya on Jan 3, 2022 22:42:11 GMT -5
I would disagree with this. Besides both having highlight reel snippets, I see them as very different players. Jason Williams was a ball magician with his passing and dribbling. That first year he had an elite skill and was on sports center every night. However once Stephon Marbury and others started to complain about JWill's blatant carrying the league changed the rules (or rather started enforcing them) and he was no longer the nightly sportscenter highlight. After that he no longer had an elite skill/player but was a solid rotation player. He never was an above the rim player either, he's whole flash was based off that carrying handle. (the best dribbler of all time is probably Isaiah Thomas, who could dribble the ball with one finger. He used his fingers to dribble, not his whole hand to carry the ball) Mac has elite athleticism and also is built strong like a strong safety (football player dad). He's more of an unstoppable scorer who is also sound in his passing and dribbling. I think the closest comp is prime Rex Chapman. Though I think Mac can become a complete point guard and become a super athletic version of TJ McConnell. When are you going to setup that podcast with Mac and Rex Chapman (with Josh Hopkins)? Williams wasn't the dunker that Mac is, but I wouldn't call him a below the rim athlete. As for the comparison, we'll just have to agree to disagree JWill can barely get up there. Not explosive at all like Mac or Rex. |
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 3, 2022 22:44:51 GMT -5
Again, their games are nothing alike. At all. Not close. And, Williams was and will remain the FAR better player. The only similarities are their skin tone and their height as I stated in my original response and all your responses have done is prove that you believe that, too. You just love Mac too much to say it outright. It's fine. The more you post the more you prove other people's points. It's a shame you're missing out on the humor of it. How do I believe that? Williams was my favorite player back in the day... watched him play every game for about 10 years. First time I saw Mac play, it was the first time I had seen someone that reminded me of Williams. It has nothing to do with who's better, again Chapman is better than Williams so if that was important Id side with that comparison. His AAU coach saw the same as me. And like I said, I see it all the time in other forums etc... so it's clearly not some wild thing only Im seeing. Honestly it's simply a matter of you really don't know that much about Rex. Mac's trajectory and experiences are alot more similar to Rex than JWill. |
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Post by tashoya on Jan 3, 2022 22:45:49 GMT -5
Again, their games are nothing alike. At all. Not close. And, Williams was and will remain the FAR better player. The only similarities are their skin tone and their height as I stated in my original response and all your responses have done is prove that you believe that, too. You just love Mac too much to say it outright. It's fine. The more you post the more you prove other people's points. It's a shame you're missing out on the humor of it. How do I believe that? Williams was my favorite player back in the day... watched him play every game for about 10 years. First time I saw Mac play, it was the first time I had seen someone that reminded me of Williams. It has nothing to do with who's better, again Chapman is better than Williams so if that was important Id side with that comparison. His AAU coach saw the same as me. And like I said, I see it all the time in other forums etc... so it's clearly not some wild thing only Im seeing. Well, all of you folks that are saying that are objectively wrong. Their actual games couldn't be more dissimilar. You just refuse to believe it. You think white guy with "flair." That's where it ends. It has nothing to do with their actual skills or styles of play. |
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 3, 2022 22:53:54 GMT -5
Rex Chapman Highlights 1986 vs. Louisville
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Post by tashoya on Jan 3, 2022 23:11:55 GMT -5
Rex Chapman Highlights 1986 vs. Louisville Much more apt comparison. Though, even in that short clip, one can see how much better Rex was than Mac at that age. Mac will need several years at his current age to reach Rex even at that point of his college career. But, the skillsets and styles of play are far more similar than the other ridiculous comparison. |
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 3, 2022 23:20:07 GMT -5
Rex Chapman Highlights 1986 vs. Louisville Much more apt comparison. Though, even in that short clip, one can see how much better Rex was than Mac at that age. Mac will need several years at his current age to reach Rex even at that point of his college career. But, the skillsets and styles of play are far more similar than the other ridiculous comparison. I think if you could transport Mac back in a time machine to 1986 he would have had more success simply because the players were smaller and less athletic overall back then. Not everyone could dunk in games back then, even alot of power forwards couldn't dunk in games. Jordan ushered in the era of the 6-6 shooting guard but even that didn't happen in the NBA till the mid 90s and late 90s for the college game in reaction to Jordan's dominance. Similarly if 1986 Rex was transported to 2021 NCAA, he would have not been as dominant as he was in 1986. |
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Post by tashoya on Jan 4, 2022 0:00:19 GMT -5
Much more apt comparison. Though, even in that short clip, one can see how much better Rex was than Mac at that age. Mac will need several years at his current age to reach Rex even at that point of his college career. But, the skillsets and styles of play are far more similar than the other ridiculous comparison. I think if you could transport Mac back in a time machine to 1986 he would have had more success simply because the players were smaller and less athletic overall back then. Not everyone could dunk in games back then, even alot of power forwards couldn't dunk in games. Jordan ushered in the era of the 6-6 shooting guard but even that didn't happen in the NBA till the mid 90s and late 90s for the college game in reaction to Jordan's dominance. Similarly if 1986 Rex was transported to 2021 NCAA, he would have not been as dominant as he was in 1986. No argument there. That said, Rex was a better skilled college player. It wouldn't have required a confluence of events for him to have gotten to the League and prospered. And, Mac would've been more of an outlier athletically in 1986. His stockier frame would have helped him more then, too. As for today's game, Mac isn't a unicorn of any sort. He needs to be a very good shooter to stick. Clearly, he knows that. He doesn't have the length or instincts to be a plus defender. In any case, Mac isn't the player Rex was but the skillset is certainly more similar than Mac and White Chocolate comp because the Mac/Williams comparison is objectively ridiculous. |
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Post by cgallstar02 on Jan 4, 2022 2:40:41 GMT -5
How do I believe that? Williams was my favorite player back in the day... watched him play every game for about 10 years. First time I saw Mac play, it was the first time I had seen someone that reminded me of Williams. It has nothing to do with who's better, again Chapman is better than Williams so if that was important Id side with that comparison. His AAU coach saw the same as me. And like I said, I see it all the time in other forums etc... so it's clearly not some wild thing only Im seeing. Honestly it's simply a matter of you really don't know that much about Rex. Mac's trajectory and experiences are alot more similar to Rex than JWill. Funny, I watched Rex play in college, followed his career somewhat closely in the NBA. Experiences? Rex's dad was a coach and incredibly mean to Rex throughout childhood, I read a story about how despite Rex being one of the top players in the country his dad would never encourage him or give him praise, only criticize. He said one day his dad came to a game and he dropped like 40 something, and his dad just talked ish to him about a turnover or mistake he made or something. Other than that, Rex was a great dunker but became mostly a shooter in the NBA. He was a McDonald's AA and top 10 recruit. Became a drug addict and got caught stealing out the Apple store. Guess he has now turned his life around. Williams, like McClung was not a big recruit. Not a top 100, not an AA. He tried out for Kentucky while Billy D was an assistant there, in fact Billy got him the tryout. Pitino said he just wasn't good enough. Billy ended up getting the Marshall job and Williams followed him there. Williams dad was the local sheriff in a tiny town and had the keys to the gym, Williams would go there every night and workout by himself practicing his dribbles and throwing passes off the wall. Mac's dad is a local judge in a tiny town... he built Mac a gym in the basement where Mac would work on his vertical leap every night. Both guys were underrated, undervalued prospects out of high school that worked incredibly hard to get where they are. Rex's dad was a 6'6 pro basketball player and later coach. Rex was one of the chosen ones from early in his high school days and was essentially an NBA talent by the time he was a senior. I would say Mac and Jason's experiences are a lot more similar. |
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Post by cgallstar02 on Jan 4, 2022 2:55:01 GMT -5
How do I believe that? Williams was my favorite player back in the day... watched him play every game for about 10 years. First time I saw Mac play, it was the first time I had seen someone that reminded me of Williams. It has nothing to do with who's better, again Chapman is better than Williams so if that was important Id side with that comparison. His AAU coach saw the same as me. And like I said, I see it all the time in other forums etc... so it's clearly not some wild thing only Im seeing. Well, all of you folks that are saying that are objectively wrong. Their actual games couldn't be more dissimilar. You just refuse to believe it. You think white guy with "flair." That's where it ends. It has nothing to do with their actual skills or styles of play. So because someone who has probably seen a handful of J-Will highlights and has a personal vendetta against Mac says there's no similarities that makes it true? Again, I watched every Williams game from the first 9 years of his career. Once he went to the Magic and his playing time decreased, I stopped watching as much. I've seen every college/g league game of Mac's career. I would say I have a better understanding of both player's games. Nevermind the AAU coach who coached Mac and players far better than Mac also seeing the exact same thing. Nope, the bitter Hoyatalk hater knows more. Speaking of "wrong", here's a post of yours from a few months ago "The Mac McClung thread is right next to the NBA Hoyas thread. It's the closest he'll likely ever get." Care to admit you were wrong there? |
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Post by cgallstar02 on Jan 4, 2022 5:15:41 GMT -5
Even McClung himself claims to of modeled his game after Williams. www.prephoops.com/2016/02/recruiting-report-mac-mcclung-2018/From 2016 It’s easy to be deceived by McClung, who looks like the typical floor general point guard. However, you would never guess how dynamic of an athlete and creator he is with the ball in his hands.
“Honestly, I’ve always kinda had that attitude of being different,” McClung said about his game. “I just loved watching Jason Williams when I was growing up, and I modeled my game after him.”
It’s easy to tell after a few possessions that Jason “White Chocolate” Williams is McClung’s favorite player. He has a tight handle, one that allows him to on ball defenders and get in the lane with ease. He’s also a dynamic athlete who can play above the rim in transition and contort his body in traffic to finish.
And more... On the Hilltop, the Hoyas are generating excitement with their incoming freshman class led by Mac McClung. The much hyped McClung has been compared to every flashy ball handler from former Hoya, Allen Iverson to Jason “White Chocolate” Williams.white chocolate V2We got lil white chocolate lolThe New White Chocolate! CRAZY HOPS! INSANE Handles! White chocolateThe new white chocolate? Not as flashy as j-will but more hops obviously and better driver /jump shot It looks like we have ourselves a Jason Williams "White Chocolate" part 2.White Chocolate is a good comparison. He will instantly be Tech's most hated player...think about all those Duke guys you hate. What do they all have in common? Reminds me of white chocolate Jason Williams. The new White Chocolate?And the list goes on... scattered all over Lakers, Bulls, Tech forums. etc. If the very player he claims to of modeled his game after is also the very player myself, his AAU coach and so many fans on the internet all instantly saw the first time seeing him play isn't validation of who he's similar to, I don't know what more you need. Combine that with the fact that they are the only 2 white guys in the last 20 plus years who's popularity has far outweighed how good they were and it becomes undeniable. |
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 4, 2022 7:24:49 GMT -5
News of McClung’s exploits has spread around the state and R.E. Lee coach Jarrett Hatcher has taken notice. “He’s probably much more enjoyable to watch than to figure out how to stop,” Hatcher said. “He’s super athletic and is a tremendous shooter, with what seems to be limitless range. … I have no earthly idea how to stop him, plus he’s got great teammates. Maybe the VHSL will let us use seven guys on defense.” Former University of Kentucky and National Basketball Association star Rex Chapman comes to mind when Hatcher watches McClung. heraldcourier.com/sports/gate-citys-mcclung-has-some-extra-motivation/article_900bc6f0-fed4-11e6-9daa-237ccc3467d3.html |
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 4, 2022 7:27:38 GMT -5
Even McClung himself claims to of modeled his game after Williams. www.prephoops.com/2016/02/recruiting-report-mac-mcclung-2018/From 2016 It’s easy to be deceived by McClung, who looks like the typical floor general point guard. However, you would never guess how dynamic of an athlete and creator he is with the ball in his hands.
“Honestly, I’ve always kinda had that attitude of being different,” McClung said about his game. “I just loved watching Jason Williams when I was growing up, and I modeled my game after him.”
It’s easy to tell after a few possessions that Jason “White Chocolate” Williams is McClung’s favorite player. He has a tight handle, one that allows him to on ball defenders and get in the lane with ease. He’s also a dynamic athlete who can play above the rim in transition and contort his body in traffic to finish.
And more... On the Hilltop, the Hoyas are generating excitement with their incoming freshman class led by Mac McClung. The much hyped McClung has been compared to every flashy ball handler from former Hoya, Allen Iverson to Jason “White Chocolate” Williams.white chocolate V2We got lil white chocolate lolThe New White Chocolate! CRAZY HOPS! INSANE Handles! White chocolateThe new white chocolate? Not as flashy as j-will but more hops obviously and better driver /jump shot It looks like we have ourselves a Jason Williams "White Chocolate" part 2.White Chocolate is a good comparison. He will instantly be Tech's most hated player...think about all those Duke guys you hate. What do they all have in common? Reminds me of white chocolate Jason Williams. The new White Chocolate?And the list goes on... scattered all over Lakers, Bulls, Tech forums. etc. If the very player he claims to of modeled his game after is also the very player myself, his AAU coach and so many fans on the internet all instantly saw the first time seeing him play isn't validation of who he's similar to, I don't know what more you need. Combine that with the fact that they are the only 2 white guys in the last 20 plus years who's popularity has far outweighed how good they were and it becomes undeniable. He's said he's modeled his game off Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant and AI as well, so that quote can be taken with a grain of salt. I don't see much White Chocolate in his game. |
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 4, 2022 8:31:15 GMT -5
Honestly it's simply a matter of you really don't know that much about Rex. Mac's trajectory and experiences are alot more similar to Rex than JWill. Funny, I watched Rex play in college, followed his career somewhat closely in the NBA. Experiences? Rex's dad was a coach and incredibly mean to Rex throughout childhood, I read a story about how despite Rex being one of the top players in the country his dad would never encourage him or give him praise, only criticize. He said one day his dad came to a game and he dropped like 40 something, and his dad just talked ish to him about a turnover or mistake he made or something. Other than that, Rex was a great dunker but became mostly a shooter in the NBA. He was a McDonald's AA and top 10 recruit. Became a drug addict and got caught stealing out the Apple store. Guess he has now turned his life around. Williams, like McClung was not a big recruit. Not a top 100, not an AA. He tried out for Kentucky while Billy D was an assistant there, in fact Billy got him the tryout. Pitino said he just wasn't good enough. Billy ended up getting the Marshall job and Williams followed him there. Williams dad was the local sheriff in a tiny town and had the keys to the gym, Williams would go there every night and workout by himself practicing his dribbles and throwing passes off the wall. Mac's dad is a local judge in a tiny town... he built Mac a gym in the basement where Mac would work on his vertical leap every night. Both guys were underrated, undervalued prospects out of high school that worked incredibly hard to get where they are. Rex's dad was a 6'6 pro basketball player and later coach. Rex was one of the chosen ones from early in his high school days and was essentially an NBA talent by the time he was a senior. I would say Mac and Jason's experiences are a lot more similar. This is a weird take that you frown on Rex becoming addicted to pain killer opioids considering Jason Williams was a drug addict who got kicked out of Florida by the aforementioned Billy Donovan for drugs. The drug addict label is probably what hurt JWill's prospects and rankings more than anything else. As far as I can tell Mac is clean and doesn't do drugs, which is more similar to Rex Chapman who didn't do drugs in high school, college or most of his NBA career. It was only at the latter stages of his career when he took pain killers for his multiple injuries that he became addicted to opioids. What is Mac known for? Why is he an Instagram/Youtube sensation? It's his dunking. What was Rex known for at UK? It wasn't his three pt shooting or scoring ability. It was his dunking. Rex would have gone viral and had a billion Instagram followers if that existed back in the day. I think you are letting your JWill fandom blind you on this. Mac and Rex have so much in come on that it would be a shame if you kept them separated from each other just because of JWill. Set up the podcast with Mac and Rex. |
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Post by tashoya on Jan 4, 2022 8:40:01 GMT -5
Well, all of you folks that are saying that are objectively wrong. Their actual games couldn't be more dissimilar. You just refuse to believe it. You think white guy with "flair." That's where it ends. It has nothing to do with their actual skills or styles of play. So because someone who has probably seen a handful of J-Will highlights and has a personal vendetta against Mac says there's no similarities that makes it true? Again, I watched every Williams game from the first 9 years of his career. Once he went to the Magic and his playing time decreased, I stopped watching as much. I've seen every college/g league game of Mac's career. I would say I have a better understanding of both player's games. Nevermind the AAU coach who coached Mac and players far better than Mac also seeing the exact same thing. Nope, the bitter Hoyatalk hater knows more. Speaking of "wrong", here's a post of yours from a few months ago "The Mac McClung thread is right next to the NBA Hoyas thread. It's the closest he'll likely ever get." Care to admit you were wrong there? I have no problem admitting I was wrong about him getting to the league. Good for him. The statement at the time was accurate. Since you're such a fanboy, how do you feel about the minutes Mac is getting? If he had any of the skills Williams had, he wouldn't be nailed to the bench. |
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 4, 2022 9:12:31 GMT -5
So because someone who has probably seen a handful of J-Will highlights and has a personal vendetta against Mac says there's no similarities that makes it true? Again, I watched every Williams game from the first 9 years of his career. Once he went to the Magic and his playing time decreased, I stopped watching as much. I've seen every college/g league game of Mac's career. I would say I have a better understanding of both player's games. Nevermind the AAU coach who coached Mac and players far better than Mac also seeing the exact same thing. Nope, the bitter Hoyatalk hater knows more. Speaking of "wrong", here's a post of yours from a few months ago "The Mac McClung thread is right next to the NBA Hoyas thread. It's the closest he'll likely ever get." Care to admit you were wrong there? I have no problem admitting I was wrong about him getting to the league. Good for him. The statement at the time was accurate. Since you're such a fanboy, how do you feel about the minutes Mac is getting? If he had any of the skills Williams had, he wouldn't be nailed to the bench. To be fair to you though, he's technically only in the NBA because of the COVID expanded roster. The Lakers didn't feel like keeping him or sending him up to their main roster even when they needed point guards. So until he actually makes the NBA without the COVID exception, you still aren't wrong. I think Mac will make the NBA because he has the desire and work ethic. His passing seems to be coming along, the biggest thing will still be his defense and consistency with his 3 pt shot. If CGAllstar would just hook him up with Rex Chapman or Jeremy Lin, they could teach him how to use his athleticism properly when shooting the 3. In Jeremy Lin's case early in his career he was trying to jump as high as he could on his 3, which would slow the release and lead to inconsistency. Chapman's 3 is probably the perfect combination of using his athleticism while not compromising consistency or mechanics with his 3. |
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Post by gatormcclusky on Jan 4, 2022 15:13:18 GMT -5
Funny, I watched Rex play in college, followed his career somewhat closely in the NBA. Experiences? Rex's dad was a coach and incredibly mean to Rex throughout childhood, I read a story about how despite Rex being one of the top players in the country his dad would never encourage him or give him praise, only criticize. He said one day his dad came to a game and he dropped like 40 something, and his dad just talked ish to him about a turnover or mistake he made or something. Other than that, Rex was a great dunker but became mostly a shooter in the NBA. He was a McDonald's AA and top 10 recruit. Became a drug addict and got caught stealing out the Apple store. Guess he has now turned his life around. Williams, like McClung was not a big recruit. Not a top 100, not an AA. He tried out for Kentucky while Billy D was an assistant there, in fact Billy got him the tryout. Pitino said he just wasn't good enough. Billy ended up getting the Marshall job and Williams followed him there. Williams dad was the local sheriff in a tiny town and had the keys to the gym, Williams would go there every night and workout by himself practicing his dribbles and throwing passes off the wall. Mac's dad is a local judge in a tiny town... he built Mac a gym in the basement where Mac would work on his vertical leap every night. Both guys were underrated, undervalued prospects out of high school that worked incredibly hard to get where they are. Rex's dad was a 6'6 pro basketball player and later coach. Rex was one of the chosen ones from early in his high school days and was essentially an NBA talent by the time he was a senior. I would say Mac and Jason's experiences are a lot more similar. This is a weird take that you frown on Rex becoming addicted to pain killer opioids considering Jason Williams was a drug addict who got kicked out of Florida by the aforementioned Billy Donovan for drugs. The drug addict label is probably what hurt JWill's prospects and rankings more than anything else. As far as I can tell Mac is clean and doesn't do drugs, which is more similar to Rex Chapman who didn't do drugs in high school, college or most of his NBA career. It was only at the latter stages of his career when he took pain killers for his multiple injuries that he became addicted to opioids. What is Mac known for? Why is he an Instagram/Youtube sensation? It's his dunking. What was Rex known for at UK? It wasn't his three pt shooting or scoring ability. It was his dunking. Rex would have gone viral and had a billion Instagram followers if that existed back in the day. I think you are letting your JWill fandom blind you on this. Mac and Rex have so much in come on that it would be a shame if you kept them separated from each other just because of JWill. Set up the podcast with Mac and Rex. I was in Gainesville for a couple years while Williams was at UF, saw him play live a bunch of times. He got kicked out of school for failing a test for weed, not pills or hard drugs - I'm sure that wasn't good for his draft stock, but he went from a relative unknown pre-draft to getting picked #7 with the Kings, so I don't think it actually hurt him all that much in the long run. I don't want to get too deep into this argument but a couple things: 1) Jason Williams couldn't jump like McClung but he was plenty explosive in terms of first step and quickness - he was fast as hell in college, and he wasn't breaking guys' ankles in the league just because his crossovers were nice, the kid was very, very quick. Williams' ballhandling was definitely much better than Mac, though, and he had better vision and super fast hands too. JWill was never really good enough overall to be a top guy in the league, but after he went to Memphis and played for Hubie Brown, he cut out a lot of his dumb turnovers and became a much more controlled and better player (although less fun to watch for sure).  2) Mac definitely has similarities to Rex but I also can see a bit of resemblance to JWill - they obviously don't play a similar style, Williams was a pass-first distributor and McClung is more of a pure scorer. But McClung is an excellent passer when he wants to be, and the way he loves to go for the flashy highlight reel passes on drives or the break is definitely reminiscent of Williams in that you don't see a whole lot of guys doing that type of stuff regularly. (They're also kind of similar in that neither one gives much of a crap about the defensive end of the floor, although to be fair Mac has gotten a lot better on that end since leaving GTown) 3) McClung absolutely has the talent within him to be a rotation guy for an NBA team - I think his eventual fit is as a Lou Williams/JJ Barea instant offense off the bench type guy - but it's going to depend on him becoming much more consistent in his shooting and overall level of play. At times he's looked like the best player on the court in college and the G-League, and at times he's looked like a scrub that can't buy a bucket. The biggest part of that is his 3pt shooting - he's gotten much better from his freshman year at GT but he's still too streaky from deep. If and when he finally develops consistency to be a knock-down shooter from range, he'll be on an NBA roster for good. 3) There seem to be a lot of Hoya fans that seriously dislike McClung and actively want to see him fail (and that even seemed to be the case with some of y'all - although to a lesser degree - even while he was playing for Georgetown). I get that he didn't exactly leave on the best of terms, but I think that maybe an upper-class big city Northeastern school full of wealthy, ultra-liberal folks was never a real good fit for a small-town Southern kid to begin with, and I think some of the attitudes towards McClung on this board are indicative of that. But that's just my opinion, you guys carry on with the discussion here and I'll bow out the side door. |
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Post by tafkashfsee on Jan 4, 2022 15:52:17 GMT -5
This is a weird take that you frown on Rex becoming addicted to pain killer opioids considering Jason Williams was a drug addict who got kicked out of Florida by the aforementioned Billy Donovan for drugs. The drug addict label is probably what hurt JWill's prospects and rankings more than anything else. As far as I can tell Mac is clean and doesn't do drugs, which is more similar to Rex Chapman who didn't do drugs in high school, college or most of his NBA career. It was only at the latter stages of his career when he took pain killers for his multiple injuries that he became addicted to opioids. What is Mac known for? Why is he an Instagram/Youtube sensation? It's his dunking. What was Rex known for at UK? It wasn't his three pt shooting or scoring ability. It was his dunking. Rex would have gone viral and had a billion Instagram followers if that existed back in the day. I think you are letting your JWill fandom blind you on this. Mac and Rex have so much in come on that it would be a shame if you kept them separated from each other just because of JWill. Set up the podcast with Mac and Rex. I was in Gainesville for a couple years while Williams was at UF, saw him play live a bunch of times. He got kicked out of school for failing a test for weed, not pills or hard drugs - I'm sure that wasn't good for his draft stock, but he went from a relative unknown pre-draft to getting picked #7 with the Kings, so I don't think it actually hurt him all that much in the long run. I don't want to get too deep into this argument but a couple things: 1) Jason Williams couldn't jump like McClung but he was plenty explosive in terms of first step and quickness - he was fast as hell in college, and he wasn't breaking guys' ankles in the league just because his crossovers were nice, the kid was very, very quick. Williams' ballhandling was definitely much better than Mac, though, and he had better vision and super fast hands too. JWill was never really good enough overall to be a top guy in the league, but after he went to Memphis and played for Hubie Brown, he cut out a lot of his dumb turnovers and became a much more controlled and better player (although less fun to watch for sure).  2) Mac definitely has similarities to Rex but I also can see a bit of resemblance to JWill - they obviously don't play a similar style, Williams was a pass-first distributor and McClung is more of a pure scorer. But McClung is an excellent passer when he wants to be, and the way he loves to go for the flashy highlight reel passes on drives or the break is definitely reminiscent of Williams in that you don't see a whole lot of guys doing that type of stuff regularly. (They're also kind of similar in that neither one gives much of a crap about the defensive end of the floor, although to be fair Mac has gotten a lot better on that end since leaving GTown) 3) McClung absolutely has the talent within him to be a rotation guy for an NBA team - I think his eventual fit is as a Lou Williams/JJ Barea instant offense off the bench type guy - but it's going to depend on him becoming much more consistent in his shooting and overall level of play. At times he's looked like the best player on the court in college and the G-League, and at times he's looked like a scrub that can't buy a bucket. The biggest part of that is his 3pt shooting - he's gotten much better from his freshman year at GT but he's still too streaky from deep. If and when he finally develops consistency to be a knock-down shooter from range, he'll be on an NBA roster for good. 3) There seem to be a lot of Hoya fans that seriously dislike McClung and actively want to see him fail (and that even seemed to be the case with some of y'all - although to a lesser degree - even while he was playing for Georgetown). I get that he didn't exactly leave on the best of terms, but I think that maybe an upper-class big city Northeastern school full of wealthy, ultra-liberal folks was never a real good fit for a small-town Southern kid to begin with, and I think some of the attitudes towards McClung on this board are indicative of that. But that's just my opinion, you guys carry on with the discussion here and I'll bow out the side door. I always rooted for Mac. I got mad when he left Georgetown but I've always believed in him and his getting to the league. He only needed to work on his passing game, get consistent with his jump shot and stop it with the dunking because no one cares about that crap. I think he has learned his lesson. |
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Post by Filo on Jan 4, 2022 18:51:27 GMT -5
I really don’t care about Mac any more so no idea why I decided to read this insanity. Was going to weigh in on some but, again, I just don’t care. However - this quote made me laugh, with the poster then bowing out of any further exchange:
“I think that maybe an upper-class big city Northeastern school full of wealthy, ultra-liberal folks was never a real good fit for a small-town Southern kid to begin with…”
SMH
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Post by cgallstar02 on Jan 7, 2022 20:09:49 GMT -5
I have no problem admitting I was wrong about him getting to the league. Good for him. The statement at the time was accurate. Since you're such a fanboy, how do you feel about the minutes Mac is getting? If he had any of the skills Williams had, he wouldn't be nailed to the bench. His minutes are exactly what I would expect. He was initially signed when they had like 10 guys out with Covid, he would've gotten heavy minutes the first game but the game ended up being postponed because the Raptors didn't have 8 guys. By the time the Bulls played again, all 10 guys had cleared protocols. His second 10 day was as a practice body since they had a few new guys out plus a few injuries. On top of that they're probably trying to get a good look at him as a potential signing for next season, or a late season signing this year in the event a guard suffers a season ending injury. At the end of the day they're the #1 current team in the East, why would a UDFA on a 10 day be playing any real minutes for them? Heck, someone like Bouknight who I think was a lotto pick on a team not as good as the Bulls can barely get minutes for the Hornets and if he does it's garbage time, so not sure why you think I would expect Mac to be playing now that almost all the guys are back? It's still a great experience for him, and could potentially lead to something in the future with the Bulls next year or later this season. |
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