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Post by professorhoya on Jan 3, 2022 18:57:28 GMT -5
In what ways other than height and skin color? Their flair for the game combined with yes, their height and skin color. McClung is by far the most "flashy" white player to come along since J-Will. Do you think their popularity is a coincidence? Williams had the number one selling jersey in the NBA as a rookie and nearly made the all-star game in fan voting despite not having close to all-star numbers. In the YouTube/social media era Williams would've been a star in high school like McClung, but he wasn't exposed to the world till he made it to the NBA. McClung of course was a huge star in high school/college, and like Williams if he's ever able to get consistent minutes and put up decent numbers, will be a much bigger star at the NBA level than he'd probably be deserving of. In other words, Williams was a 12 and 6 guy at the NBA level, if McClung can someday put up similar numbers, he'll be treated (at least for awhile) as an all-star. I mean when he scored his first bucket the other night, the NBA posted it on their official YouTube page (already over half a million views)... you think they do that for every rookie let alone UDFA's? In terms of playing styles, there are difference and similarities. Williams, even in High School, was a pure point guard. Mac is much more of a scorer. McClung is faster and jumps higher, but Williams was no slouch athletically, and with his incredible ball control I would say is faster with the ball in his hands. Of course McClung will never be the caliber of passer/ball handler Williams was, as Williams was by many NBA legends accounts the greatest ball handler of all time and an incredible passer as well. That said McClung passes and less so dribbles with a similar flair as Williams did and is highly underrated (on this board at least) in both areas. Both are streaky somewhat erratic three point shooters. J-Will was in love with the 3 and would constantly come down full speed with 18 or less on the shot clock and jack a pull up 3 5 or 6 feet behind the line. Thankfully Mac doesn't really do that, though it was fun to see Jason do it when it worked. Mac prefers to go to the hole much more than Jason, and I would say is his one big advantage. Jason was an excellent penetrator... both players have elite off hands... but Jason feared contact... he was not a tough player and rarely took advantage of his driving ability the way someone like AI did, who despite his tiny frame (by NBA standards) would drive relentless to the hole. Mac has that similar toughness/fearlessness as AI and will continually sacrifice his body going to the basket. Here's a quote from Mac's AAU coach:Mines, the Team Loaded coach who also coached current Georgetown freshman Antwan Walker, was impressed with the small-town kid’s game. McClung reminded Mines of Jason Williams, the former NBA point guard from West Virginia.“The first time I saw him, I saw he had skill, he wasn’t this kid who walked in and started jumping and dunking,” Mines said. “Most kids, they can jump or whatever, but they can’t do both,” Mines continued. “He can do both, and it was fascinating to me to watch him play. He reminds me of Jason Williams — they called him ‘White Chocolate’ — just to watch the flair on the passes, the behind-the-back passes, the no-look passes, just his swag.”Never mind the fact I've seen the comparison made countless times on other forums (Bulls, Lakers, YouTube, etc.) it's as plain as day. If you can't see it I can only assume you've see very little of J-Will in action, or your blind hatred of Mac simply refuses to allow you to see any good qualities he has that might be similar to current or former NBA players. I would disagree with this. Besides both having highlight reel snippets, I see them as very different players. Jason Williams was a ball magician with his passing and dribbling. That first year he had an elite skill and was on sports center every night. However once Stephon Marbury and others started to complain about JWill's blatant carrying the league changed the rules (or rather started enforcing them) and he was no longer the nightly sportscenter highlight. After that he no longer had an elite skill/player but was a solid rotation player. He never was an above the rim player either, he's whole flash was based off that carrying handle. (the best dribbler of all time is probably Isaiah Thomas, who could dribble the ball with one finger. He used his fingers to dribble, not his whole hand to carry the ball) Mac has elite athleticism and also is built strong like a strong safety (football player dad). He's more of an unstoppable scorer who is also sound in his passing and dribbling. I think the closest comp is prime Rex Chapman. Though I think Mac can become a complete point guard and become a super athletic version of TJ McConnell. When are you going to setup that podcast with Mac and Rex Chapman (with Josh Hopkins)? |
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 3, 2022 18:58:50 GMT -5
Excuses. Win Big East Tournament Championship Game. but . . . Gets 5 star All American. But . . . Gets 2 guys from the same team into the NBA. But . . . You should realize by now that if these people have no mercy for the coach or best player who built the program and got us to 3 national Championships in 4 years, that they are going to eat everyone. He has a career record of 68 and 64, 1 tournament appearance in 5 years which ended with a first round beat down to a mediocre Colorado team. Neither Pickett nor Yurt were drafted. Both players received contracts based off two things... their size combined with their summer league performances. Pickett was always going to be intriguing to NBA teams due to his length combined with the fact he's a decent enough 3 point shooter. Yurt was more of a prospect at NC State than at Georgetown. Generally you can give credit to a coach if his system makes a player look better than he really is. Yurt and Pickett both in fact looked worse than they really were, and NBA teams quickly realized it once they were out of the Georgetown setting. Im not saying he tanked their careers, I mean neither guy was close to a lottery pick or first round lock, but he didn't do them any favors either and certainly isn't the reason they're in the league. If someone like Dante Harris makes the league someday, that would be a case where you could credit Patrick. Sports is a performance based business, not just at Georgetown... its far more brutal in the professional world. Guys can take teams to the playoffs year after, then have one or two bad seasons and the fans are booing like crazy and demanding they're fired. Ewing hasn't performed at a high level, there's no getting around it. One tourney appearance in 5 seasons is not good no matter how you wanna spin it. I doubt it's personal with most, they just want to win, and if one guy can't get it done, they'd like to see what another can do. Like you said yourself. Excuses. You can always make excuses no matter what Mac or Coach Ewing achieve. |
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Post by guru on Jan 3, 2022 20:13:01 GMT -5
Good for him. He has lucked into a couple 10 days during a pandemic. He should save his money for when he’s manning the register at the Gate City Co-op. Let the excuses fly! All I heard in high school was how he'd be lucky to be a rotation guy by his junior or senior year at Georgtown... started every game. When he picked Texas Tech, I kept hearing how he can't defend and you have to play defense to play for Beard... started every game, Big East all conference selection and newcomer of the year. Then you have this entire thread littered with posts about how he'll never so much as sniff an NBA roster. Let's see... had the best combine of all 90 players that participated. One of the best combines of all time. Spent training camp with the Lakers and about 5 or 6 future hall of famers. Killed it for 13 games in the G League. Now on his second 10 day with the first place team in the Eastern conference. Already shut down every single thing you guys said he couldn't and wouldn't do. I hope you people are better at your day jobs than you are at this, cus you all have been laughably wrong at every turn. God forbid some of you bitter old men would just admit you were wrong and give the kid some credit. Instead you come up with excuses. Like I said before, if he becomes a rotation guy, you'll just say his numbers suck. If his numbers are decent, you'll say, yea on a bad team, or say well it's not like he's an all star or anything. There'll always be some new excuse. But at the end of the day every single thing you guys said he couldn't or wouldn't do, he did. It's over, you lost, just accept it and move on... the good news is you still have Q to hate on for awhile longer and I'm sure there'll be no shortage of transfers next season for you to direct all your anger and hate towards. Why are you still posting here? Take your fanboy act to some Chicago Bulls board or wherever McClung is clinging onto at the moment. He was a huge disappointment as a Hoya, left the team unceremoniously, and is of no interest to most on this board. I will be sure to get you his autograph in a few years if I have to get off the interstate in Gate City. He’ll be easy enough to find posted up at the Glory Days Cafe! Have a good one. |
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Post by tashoya on Jan 3, 2022 20:25:52 GMT -5
In what ways other than height and skin color? Their flair for the game combined with yes, their height and skin color. McClung is by far the most "flashy" white player to come along since J-Will. Do you think their popularity is a coincidence? Williams had the number one selling jersey in the NBA as a rookie and nearly made the all-star game in fan voting despite not having close to all-star numbers. In the YouTube/social media era Williams would've been a star in high school like McClung, but he wasn't exposed to the world till he made it to the NBA. McClung of course was a huge star in high school/college, and like Williams if he's ever able to get consistent minutes and put up decent numbers, will be a much bigger star at the NBA level than he'd probably be deserving of. In other words, Williams was a 12 and 6 guy at the NBA level, if McClung can someday put up similar numbers, he'll be treated (at least for awhile) as an all-star. I mean when he scored his first bucket the other night, the NBA posted it on their official YouTube page (already over half a million views)... you think they do that for every rookie let alone UDFA's? In terms of playing styles, there are difference and similarities. Williams, even in High School, was a pure point guard. Mac is much more of a scorer. McClung is faster and jumps higher, but Williams was no slouch athletically, and with his incredible ball control I would say is faster with the ball in his hands. Of course McClung will never be the caliber of passer/ball handler Williams was, as Williams was by many NBA legends accounts the greatest ball handler of all time and an incredible passer as well. That said McClung passes and less so dribbles with a similar flair as Williams did and is highly underrated (on this board at least) in both areas. Both are streaky somewhat erratic three point shooters. J-Will was in love with the 3 and would constantly come down full speed with 18 or less on the shot clock and jack a pull up 3 5 or 6 feet behind the line. Thankfully Mac doesn't really do that, though it was fun to see Jason do it when it worked. Mac prefers to go to the hole much more than Jason, and I would say is his one big advantage. Jason was an excellent penetrator... both players have elite off hands... but Jason feared contact... he was not a tough player and rarely took advantage of his driving ability the way someone like AI did, who despite his tiny frame (by NBA standards) would drive relentless to the hole. Mac has that similar toughness/fearlessness as AI and will continually sacrifice his body going to the basket. Here's a quote from Mac's AAU coach:Mines, the Team Loaded coach who also coached current Georgetown freshman Antwan Walker, was impressed with the small-town kid’s game. McClung reminded Mines of Jason Williams, the former NBA point guard from West Virginia.“The first time I saw him, I saw he had skill, he wasn’t this kid who walked in and started jumping and dunking,” Mines said. “Most kids, they can jump or whatever, but they can’t do both,” Mines continued. “He can do both, and it was fascinating to me to watch him play. He reminds me of Jason Williams — they called him ‘White Chocolate’ — just to watch the flair on the passes, the behind-the-back passes, the no-look passes, just his swag.”Never mind the fact I've seen the comparison made countless times on other forums (Bulls, Lakers, YouTube, etc.) it's as plain as day. If you can't see it I can only assume you've see very little of J-Will in action, or your blind hatred of Mac simply refuses to allow you to see any good qualities he has that might be similar to current or former NBA players. Flair? Mac couldn't carry Williams' jock in that regard. Mac's "flair" was in HS. What's flashy now? The occasional difficult lay-up? And, Mac is a below average passer. Obviously, the height and the skin color are comparable. Their games are not. Just because you've seen the comp elsewhere doesn't make it any more true. Williams, by his own admission, was a below average scorer and didn't look for his shot often enough. Mac almost exclusively looks for his shot and is a scorer. |
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Post by guru on Jan 3, 2022 20:27:57 GMT -5
Their flair for the game combined with yes, their height and skin color. McClung is by far the most "flashy" white player to come along since J-Will. Do you think their popularity is a coincidence? Williams had the number one selling jersey in the NBA as a rookie and nearly made the all-star game in fan voting despite not having close to all-star numbers. In the YouTube/social media era Williams would've been a star in high school like McClung, but he wasn't exposed to the world till he made it to the NBA. McClung of course was a huge star in high school/college, and like Williams if he's ever able to get consistent minutes and put up decent numbers, will be a much bigger star at the NBA level than he'd probably be deserving of. In other words, Williams was a 12 and 6 guy at the NBA level, if McClung can someday put up similar numbers, he'll be treated (at least for awhile) as an all-star. I mean when he scored his first bucket the other night, the NBA posted it on their official YouTube page (already over half a million views)... you think they do that for every rookie let alone UDFA's? In terms of playing styles, there are difference and similarities. Williams, even in High School, was a pure point guard. Mac is much more of a scorer. McClung is faster and jumps higher, but Williams was no slouch athletically, and with his incredible ball control I would say is faster with the ball in his hands. Of course McClung will never be the caliber of passer/ball handler Williams was, as Williams was by many NBA legends accounts the greatest ball handler of all time and an incredible passer as well. That said McClung passes and less so dribbles with a similar flair as Williams did and is highly underrated (on this board at least) in both areas. Both are streaky somewhat erratic three point shooters. J-Will was in love with the 3 and would constantly come down full speed with 18 or less on the shot clock and jack a pull up 3 5 or 6 feet behind the line. Thankfully Mac doesn't really do that, though it was fun to see Jason do it when it worked. Mac prefers to go to the hole much more than Jason, and I would say is his one big advantage. Jason was an excellent penetrator... both players have elite off hands... but Jason feared contact... he was not a tough player and rarely took advantage of his driving ability the way someone like AI did, who despite his tiny frame (by NBA standards) would drive relentless to the hole. Mac has that similar toughness/fearlessness as AI and will continually sacrifice his body going to the basket. Here's a quote from Mac's AAU coach:Mines, the Team Loaded coach who also coached current Georgetown freshman Antwan Walker, was impressed with the small-town kid’s game. McClung reminded Mines of Jason Williams, the former NBA point guard from West Virginia.“The first time I saw him, I saw he had skill, he wasn’t this kid who walked in and started jumping and dunking,” Mines said. “Most kids, they can jump or whatever, but they can’t do both,” Mines continued. “He can do both, and it was fascinating to me to watch him play. He reminds me of Jason Williams — they called him ‘White Chocolate’ — just to watch the flair on the passes, the behind-the-back passes, the no-look passes, just his swag.”Never mind the fact I've seen the comparison made countless times on other forums (Bulls, Lakers, YouTube, etc.) it's as plain as day. If you can't see it I can only assume you've see very little of J-Will in action, or your blind hatred of Mac simply refuses to allow you to see any good qualities he has that might be similar to current or former NBA players. Flair? Mac couldn't carry Williams' jock in that regard. Mac's "flair" was in HS. What's flashy now? The occasional difficult lay-up? And, Mac is a below average passer. Obviously, the height and the skin color are comparable. Their games are not. Just because you've seen the comp elsewhere doesn't make it any more true. Williams, by his own admission, was a below average scorer and didn't look for his shot often enough. Mac almost exclusively looks for his shot and is a scorer. It’s an absurd comparison. Jason Williams was drafted 7th overall. McClung is getting a cup of coffee in the league because half the players are out with COVID. He has more in common with Cletus the slack jawed yokel than Jason Williams. This fanboy can keep dreaming. |
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Post by tashoya on Jan 3, 2022 20:29:21 GMT -5
Flair? Mac couldn't carry Williams' jock in that regard. Mac's "flair" was in HS. What's flashy now? The occasional difficult lay-up? And, Mac is a below average passer. Obviously, the height and the skin color are comparable. Their games are not. Just because you've seen the comp elsewhere doesn't make it any more true. Williams, by his own admission, was a below average scorer and didn't look for his shot often enough. Mac almost exclusively looks for his shot and is a scorer. It’s an absurd comparison. Jason Williams was drafted 7th overall. McClung is getting a cup of coffee in the league because half the players are out with COVID. He has more in common with Cletus the slack jawed yokel than Jason Williams. This fanboy can keep dreaming. Is that poster Mac or Mac's mom? That's the only way I can sort of get the insanity of the comp. |
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 3, 2022 21:26:26 GMT -5
Flair? Mac couldn't carry Williams' jock in that regard. Mac's "flair" was in HS. What's flashy now? The occasional difficult lay-up? And, Mac is a below average passer. Obviously, the height and the skin color are comparable. Their games are not. Just because you've seen the comp elsewhere doesn't make it any more true. Williams, by his own admission, was a below average scorer and didn't look for his shot often enough. Mac almost exclusively looks for his shot and is a scorer. It’s an absurd comparison. Jason Williams was drafted 7th overall. McClung is getting a cup of coffee in the league because half the players are out with COVID. He has more in common with Cletus the slack jawed yokel than Jason Williams. This fanboy can keep dreaming. This is too funny. Mac goes to his left better than Cletus the slack jawed yokel. I was never the biggest Jason Williams fan, but agree that the Mac comparison is absurd. |
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Post by cgallstar02 on Jan 3, 2022 22:00:50 GMT -5
Let the excuses fly! All I heard in high school was how he'd be lucky to be a rotation guy by his junior or senior year at Georgtown... started every game. When he picked Texas Tech, I kept hearing how he can't defend and you have to play defense to play for Beard... started every game, Big East all conference selection and newcomer of the year. Then you have this entire thread littered with posts about how he'll never so much as sniff an NBA roster. Let's see... had the best combine of all 90 players that participated. One of the best combines of all time. Spent training camp with the Lakers and about 5 or 6 future hall of famers. Killed it for 13 games in the G League. Now on his second 10 day with the first place team in the Eastern conference. Already shut down every single thing you guys said he couldn't and wouldn't do. I hope you people are better at your day jobs than you are at this, cus you all have been laughably wrong at every turn. God forbid some of you bitter old men would just admit you were wrong and give the kid some credit. Instead you come up with excuses. Like I said before, if he becomes a rotation guy, you'll just say his numbers suck. If his numbers are decent, you'll say, yea on a bad team, or say well it's not like he's an all star or anything. There'll always be some new excuse. But at the end of the day every single thing you guys said he couldn't or wouldn't do, he did. It's over, you lost, just accept it and move on... the good news is you still have Q to hate on for awhile longer and I'm sure there'll be no shortage of transfers next season for you to direct all your anger and hate towards. Why are you still posting here? Take your fanboy act to some Chicago Bulls board or wherever McClung is clinging onto at the moment. He was a huge disappointment as a Hoya, left the team unceremoniously, and is of no interest to most on this board. I will be sure to get you his autograph in a few years if I have to get off the interstate in Gate City. He’ll be easy enough to find posted up at the Glory Days Cafe! Have a good one. Guess you're mad he made more in 20 days than you do in 3 years, despite that fact you're probably 30 years older. Someones bitter they never got promoted from the stock room to the register. |
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Post by tashoya on Jan 3, 2022 22:03:56 GMT -5
Why are you still posting here? Take your fanboy act to some Chicago Bulls board or wherever McClung is clinging onto at the moment. He was a huge disappointment as a Hoya, left the team unceremoniously, and is of no interest to most on this board. I will be sure to get you his autograph in a few years if I have to get off the interstate in Gate City. He’ll be easy enough to find posted up at the Glory Days Cafe! Have a good one. Guess you're mad he made more in 20 days than you do in 3 years, despite that fact you're probably 30 years older. Someones bitter they never got promoted from the stock room to the register. Not a great guess on a Georgetown board. |
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Post by cgallstar02 on Jan 3, 2022 22:10:48 GMT -5
It’s an absurd comparison. Jason Williams was drafted 7th overall. McClung is getting a cup of coffee in the league because half the players are out with COVID. He has more in common with Cletus the slack jawed yokel than Jason Williams. This fanboy can keep dreaming. Is that poster Mac or Mac's mom? That's the only way I can sort of get the insanity of the comp. You act like I'm comparing him to Chris Paul or Dame Lillard... again, Williams was a 12 and 6 guy... who was far more popular than his numbers merited because of his color and style of play. While McClung isn't a sure thing, 12 and 6 is not some other worldly number to average and could easily be attainable for him in a few years, and like Williams his popularity would far outweigh his productivity. Professorhoya just compared him to Rex Chapman, who in his prime was a better player than Williams, yet you find the Williams comparison absurd and not that? Every day there are far less talented players than Mac compared to far better players than Williams. |
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 3, 2022 22:18:00 GMT -5
Is that poster Mac or Mac's mom? That's the only way I can sort of get the insanity of the comp. You act like I'm comparing him to Chris Paul or Dame Lillard... again, Williams was a 12 and 6 guy... who was far more popular than his numbers merited because of his color and style of play. While McClung isn't a sure thing, 12 and 6 is not some other worldly number to average and could easily be attainable for him in a few years, and like Williams his popularity would far outweigh his productivity. Professorhoya just compared him to Rex Chapman, who in his prime was a better player than Williams, yet you find the Williams comparison absurd and not that? Every day there are far less talented players than Mac compared to far better players than Williams. |
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Post by tashoya on Jan 3, 2022 22:24:27 GMT -5
Is that poster Mac or Mac's mom? That's the only way I can sort of get the insanity of the comp. You act like I'm comparing him to Chris Paul or Dame Lillard... again, Williams was a 12 and 6 guy... who was far more popular than his numbers merited because of his color and style of play. While McClung isn't a sure thing, 12 and 6 is not some other worldly number to average and could easily be attainable for him in a few years, and like Williams his popularity would far outweigh his productivity. Professorhoya just compared him to Rex Chapman, who in his prime was a better player than Williams, yet you find the Williams comparison absurd and not that? Every day there are far less talented players than Mac compared to far better players than Williams. Yes, because Rex had similar skills to Mac, though with better size. Also, Mac never averaged 12 and 6 in college (his high in steals was 2.4) but you think that's more realistic in the pros? Get a grip. |
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Post by cgallstar02 on Jan 3, 2022 22:24:34 GMT -5
Their flair for the game combined with yes, their height and skin color. McClung is by far the most "flashy" white player to come along since J-Will. Do you think their popularity is a coincidence? Williams had the number one selling jersey in the NBA as a rookie and nearly made the all-star game in fan voting despite not having close to all-star numbers. In the YouTube/social media era Williams would've been a star in high school like McClung, but he wasn't exposed to the world till he made it to the NBA. McClung of course was a huge star in high school/college, and like Williams if he's ever able to get consistent minutes and put up decent numbers, will be a much bigger star at the NBA level than he'd probably be deserving of. In other words, Williams was a 12 and 6 guy at the NBA level, if McClung can someday put up similar numbers, he'll be treated (at least for awhile) as an all-star. I mean when he scored his first bucket the other night, the NBA posted it on their official YouTube page (already over half a million views)... you think they do that for every rookie let alone UDFA's? In terms of playing styles, there are difference and similarities. Williams, even in High School, was a pure point guard. Mac is much more of a scorer. McClung is faster and jumps higher, but Williams was no slouch athletically, and with his incredible ball control I would say is faster with the ball in his hands. Of course McClung will never be the caliber of passer/ball handler Williams was, as Williams was by many NBA legends accounts the greatest ball handler of all time and an incredible passer as well. That said McClung passes and less so dribbles with a similar flair as Williams did and is highly underrated (on this board at least) in both areas. Both are streaky somewhat erratic three point shooters. J-Will was in love with the 3 and would constantly come down full speed with 18 or less on the shot clock and jack a pull up 3 5 or 6 feet behind the line. Thankfully Mac doesn't really do that, though it was fun to see Jason do it when it worked. Mac prefers to go to the hole much more than Jason, and I would say is his one big advantage. Jason was an excellent penetrator... both players have elite off hands... but Jason feared contact... he was not a tough player and rarely took advantage of his driving ability the way someone like AI did, who despite his tiny frame (by NBA standards) would drive relentless to the hole. Mac has that similar toughness/fearlessness as AI and will continually sacrifice his body going to the basket. Here's a quote from Mac's AAU coach:Mines, the Team Loaded coach who also coached current Georgetown freshman Antwan Walker, was impressed with the small-town kid’s game. McClung reminded Mines of Jason Williams, the former NBA point guard from West Virginia.“The first time I saw him, I saw he had skill, he wasn’t this kid who walked in and started jumping and dunking,” Mines said. “Most kids, they can jump or whatever, but they can’t do both,” Mines continued. “He can do both, and it was fascinating to me to watch him play. He reminds me of Jason Williams — they called him ‘White Chocolate’ — just to watch the flair on the passes, the behind-the-back passes, the no-look passes, just his swag.”Never mind the fact I've seen the comparison made countless times on other forums (Bulls, Lakers, YouTube, etc.) it's as plain as day. If you can't see it I can only assume you've see very little of J-Will in action, or your blind hatred of Mac simply refuses to allow you to see any good qualities he has that might be similar to current or former NBA players. Flair? Mac couldn't carry Williams' jock in that regard. Mac's "flair" was in HS. What's flashy now? The occasional difficult lay-up? And, Mac is a below average passer. Obviously, the height and the skin color are comparable. Their games are not. Just because you've seen the comp elsewhere doesn't make it any more true. Williams, by his own admission, was a below average scorer and didn't look for his shot often enough. Mac almost exclusively looks for his shot and is a scorer. The flair is obvious, half his passes in the g league have been of the no look, behind the back, alley oop, etc. variety. Also a comparison is just that, it doesn't mean they are carbon copies, of course there are differences as I already detailed. Would you say that Williams early in his career was a far more popular player than how good he was merited? Would you say than McClung is far more popular than how good he is merits? Why those two and no other white players that weren't insanely good have merited such popularity? Color of skin, height, and style of play. |
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 3, 2022 22:27:42 GMT -5
Flair? Mac couldn't carry Williams' jock in that regard. Mac's "flair" was in HS. What's flashy now? The occasional difficult lay-up? And, Mac is a below average passer. Obviously, the height and the skin color are comparable. Their games are not. Just because you've seen the comp elsewhere doesn't make it any more true. Williams, by his own admission, was a below average scorer and didn't look for his shot often enough. Mac almost exclusively looks for his shot and is a scorer. The flair is obvious, half his passes in the g league have been of the no look, behind the back, alley oop, etc. variety. Also a comparison is just that, it doesn't mean they are carbon copies, of course there are differences as I already detailed. Would you say that Williams early in his career was a far more popular player than how good he was merited? Would you say than McClung is far more popular than how good he is merits? Why those two and no other white players that weren't insanely good have merited such popularity? Color of skin, height, and style of play.
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Post by cgallstar02 on Jan 3, 2022 22:28:42 GMT -5
You act like I'm comparing him to Chris Paul or Dame Lillard... again, Williams was a 12 and 6 guy... who was far more popular than his numbers merited because of his color and style of play. While McClung isn't a sure thing, 12 and 6 is not some other worldly number to average and could easily be attainable for him in a few years, and like Williams his popularity would far outweigh his productivity. Professorhoya just compared him to Rex Chapman, who in his prime was a better player than Williams, yet you find the Williams comparison absurd and not that? Every day there are far less talented players than Mac compared to far better players than Williams. Yes, because Rex had similar skills to Mac, though with better size. Also, Mac never averaged 12 and 6 in college (his high in steals was 2.4) but you think that's more realistic in the pros? Get a grip. Russ averaged 12 4 and 4 and averages a triple double every year in the pros, what does college have to do with the pros? I could name a thousand more examples of guys who's college stats have 0 reflection on their pro stats. |
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Post by tashoya on Jan 3, 2022 22:31:15 GMT -5
Flair? Mac couldn't carry Williams' jock in that regard. Mac's "flair" was in HS. What's flashy now? The occasional difficult lay-up? And, Mac is a below average passer. Obviously, the height and the skin color are comparable. Their games are not. Just because you've seen the comp elsewhere doesn't make it any more true. Williams, by his own admission, was a below average scorer and didn't look for his shot often enough. Mac almost exclusively looks for his shot and is a scorer. The flair is obvious, half his passes in the g league have been of the no look, behind the back, alley oop, etc. variety. Also a comparison is just that, it doesn't mean they are carbon copies, of course there are differences as I already detailed. Would you say that Williams early in his career was a far more popular player than how good he was merited? Would you say than McClung is far more popular than how good he is merits? Why those two and no other white players that weren't insanely good have merited such popularity? Color of skin, height, and style of play. Again, their games are nothing alike. At all. Not close. And, Williams was and will remain the FAR better player. The only similarities are their skin tone and their height as I stated in my original response and all your responses have done is prove that you believe that, too. You just love Mac too much to say it outright. It's fine. The more you post the more you prove other people's points. It's a shame you're missing out on the humor of it. |
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Post by cgallstar02 on Jan 3, 2022 22:34:11 GMT -5
I would disagree with this. Besides both having highlight reel snippets, I see them as very different players. Jason Williams was a ball magician with his passing and dribbling. That first year he had an elite skill and was on sports center every night. However once Stephon Marbury and others started to complain about JWill's blatant carrying the league changed the rules (or rather started enforcing them) and he was no longer the nightly sportscenter highlight. After that he no longer had an elite skill/player but was a solid rotation player. He never was an above the rim player either, he's whole flash was based off that carrying handle. (the best dribbler of all time is probably Isaiah Thomas, who could dribble the ball with one finger. He used his fingers to dribble, not his whole hand to carry the ball) Mac has elite athleticism and also is built strong like a strong safety (football player dad). He's more of an unstoppable scorer who is also sound in his passing and dribbling. I think the closest comp is prime Rex Chapman. Though I think Mac can become a complete point guard and become a super athletic version of TJ McConnell. When are you going to setup that podcast with Mac and Rex Chapman (with Josh Hopkins)? Williams wasn't the dunker that Mac is, but I wouldn't call him a below the rim athlete. As for the comparison, we'll just have to agree to disagree |
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Post by tashoya on Jan 3, 2022 22:37:46 GMT -5
Yes, because Rex had similar skills to Mac, though with better size. Also, Mac never averaged 12 and 6 in college (his high in steals was 2.4) but you think that's more realistic in the pros? Get a grip. Russ averaged 12 4 and 4 and averages a triple double every year in the pros, what does college have to do with the pros? I could name a thousand more examples of guys who's college stats have 0 reflection on their pro stats. Okay. I want that list of a thousand. Mac has improved his shooting and good on him for that. However, he's a minus defender and a below average passer and he hasn't improved either of those two things. His athletic ability, at his size, won't carry him like it did in HS. It's not elite at the NBA level. What else is he going to bring to the table to make him stick in the league? |
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 3, 2022 22:40:00 GMT -5
Would you say than McClung is far more popular than how good he is merits? Why those two and no other white players that weren't insanely good have merited such popularity? Color of skin, height, and style of play. I don't think you understand how similar Mac and Rex Chapman are. It appears that you don't realize how popular Rex was his freshman year at Kentucky when he burst on the national scene. They named that town Rexington, Kentucy while he was there. If you actually listened to the podcasts you would know he couldn't walk outside or go to bars or restaurants because he would be swarmed by fans. His peak popularity was those two years at Kentucky. If they actually had Insagram or youtube back then he would have had a billion followers. Go hook Mac up with Rex on his podcast. Rex can mentor him and teach him tricks of the trade, especially since their style and athleticism is very similar and they have similar paths. Rex modeled his game after Doctor Dunkenstein, Darrell Griffith. That was his idol. He didn't want to play like some coaches son white "fundamentals" player. |
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Post by cgallstar02 on Jan 3, 2022 22:40:19 GMT -5
The flair is obvious, half his passes in the g league have been of the no look, behind the back, alley oop, etc. variety. Also a comparison is just that, it doesn't mean they are carbon copies, of course there are differences as I already detailed. Would you say that Williams early in his career was a far more popular player than how good he was merited? Would you say than McClung is far more popular than how good he is merits? Why those two and no other white players that weren't insanely good have merited such popularity? Color of skin, height, and style of play. Again, their games are nothing alike. At all. Not close. And, Williams was and will remain the FAR better player. The only similarities are their skin tone and their height as I stated in my original response and all your responses have done is prove that you believe that, too. You just love Mac too much to say it outright. It's fine. The more you post the more you prove other people's points. It's a shame you're missing out on the humor of it. How do I believe that? Williams was my favorite player back in the day... watched him play every game for about 10 years. First time I saw Mac play, it was the first time I had seen someone that reminded me of Williams. It has nothing to do with who's better, again Chapman is better than Williams so if that was important Id side with that comparison. His AAU coach saw the same as me. And like I said, I see it all the time in other forums etc... so it's clearly not some wild thing only Im seeing. |
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