Mac McClung

[tashoya]

Dec 22, 2021 23:22:16 GMT -5 hoyaatheart55 said:

Dec 22, 2021 23:05:36 GMT -5 tashoya said:

He's a pro. As such, it's categorized under the Pro & College part of the board. Do you see posts about Jeff Green or Otto Porter on the main board? If you ever do, the mods move them to this part of the board fairly quickly because the main board is for current players/news.

I did for the first 11 years of this threads life.

But thanks for the info nice talkin to ya.

Odd gripe about a temporary Hoya that hasn't been a Hoya in a couple of years and no longer plays college basketball. Silver lining: news about Mac will be much easier to find in the Pro and College thread because stuff about him doesn't remotely belong on the main board and would very quickly get buried on page 3 or 4.

[hoyaatheart55]

Dec 22, 2021 23:47:26 GMT -5 tashoya said:

Dec 22, 2021 23:22:16 GMT -5 hoyaatheart55 said:

I did for the first 11 years of this threads life.

But thanks for the info nice talkin to ya.

Odd gripe about a temporary Hoya that hasn't been a Hoya in a couple of years and no longer plays college basketball. Silver lining: news about Mac will be much easier to find in the Pro and College thread because stuff about him doesn't remotely belong on the main board and would very quickly get buried on page 3 or 4.

Yea ok great thanks!

[cgallstar02]

[tafkashfsee]

Dec 30, 2021 2:33:21 GMT -5 cgallstar02 said:

I am proud of you Mac and you proved that what I said about you was true. Keep up the good work young fella!

[cgallstar02]

[beenaround]

It sucks that he abandoned our program. However, I have no doubt this kid has worked extremely hard for this…and I am happy for him. Hope he can stick in the league in some capacity.

[professorhoya]

Jan 1, 2022 17:33:53 GMT -5 beenaround said:

It sucks that he abandoned our program. However, I have no doubt this kid has worked extremely hard for this…and I am happy for him. Hope he can stick in the league in some capacity.

That team has 3 guys who are in the league now (Yurt7, Jamorko Mac). And Akinjo may join them. Everyone also thought LeBlanc had the most NBA talent but he made a bunch of wrong decisions when he had the keys the kingdom at Georgetown.

If it hadn't been for the transfers due to LeBlanc's poor judgement and had there not been COVID (which ended up cancelling that season anyway), one does have to wonder how far that team could have gone.

[jpj]

Mac signed his 2nd 10 day contract with the Bulls. He is now warming up at Capital One for the game against the Wizards.

[cgallstar02]

Jan 1, 2022 18:40:36 GMT -5 professorhoya said:

That team has 3 guys who are in the league now (Yurt7, Jamorko Mac). And Akinjo may join them. Everyone also thought LeBlanc had the most NBA talent but he made a bunch of wrong decisions when he had the keys the kingdom at Georgetown.

If it hadn't been for the transfers due to LeBlanc's poor judgement and had there not been COVID (which ended up cancelling that season anyway), one does have to wonder how far that team could have gone.

I never understood everyone's obsession with LeBlanc and people touting him as having the best chance at an NBA career from that team and the one from the previous season. Granted, I thought he was a good college player, and a very good role player, but he simply never had the offensive ability to be an NBA player... at his size with little to no shooting and ball handling ability, you would have to be an insanely good rebounder and defender to make it to the next level. It was typical of most Hoyatalkers opinions though, as defenders who rarely shoot (LeBlanc, Mosely, Allen) were placed on a pedestal, while offensive players not known for their defense were the whipping boys (Govan, Yurt, Mac). If I had a dollar for every time someone blasted Yurt, Mac, and Pickett's NBA chances on this board I'd be rich. They said Yurt was too soft and slow, Mac too small and can't pass, dribble, or shoot, Pickett too passive and unskilled. Now hoya212, and many others are probably avoiding this thread like the plague!

I'm not sure how LeBlanc had the keys to the kingdom? He was in the doghouse when he left. While I don't think Patrick is a good coach, and admittedly I thought it was a terrible decision at the time, it turns out limiting LeBlanc's playing time was not a mistake. He seemed to be a perfect fit for LSU... defender/rebounder who rarely shoots on a team with the biggest ball hog in college in Cam Thomas, plus Javonte Smart, Darius Days, and Trendon Watford, yet he played even less there than he did those first 6 games at Georgetown. Now he's at a mid-major and can't even start, less than 20 mins off the bench. Clearly he lost his heart and desire for whatever reason after his freshman season, and without that he's not skilled enough to play a major role for anyone. So turns out Patrick was actually right on that one. 

Yes, that was a very talented team... 3 current NBA players, the starting PG for the current #1 team in the nation, Blair, one of the top scorers in the Big East last year, very good role players in Mosely, Allen, LeBlanc... Wahab, probably the best overall player on last year's team... and 2 guys in Myron and Galen that probably could've been solid players down the line if not for the off court stuff. That said, Ewing seemed to be struggling to put it together. He was going 10, 11 deep every night which is too much at the college level. Most good teams play their core 7 or 8 guys major minutes, and everyone else is garbage time or occasional spot minutes due to foul trouble, matchups, etc. Maybe he was experimenting and would've locked in a shorter rotation by conference play, maybe not, regardless, the good teams aren't really experimenting early, they're playing to win every game and want their chemistry and rotations already locked in by conference play, not still trying to figure things out. Beard lost his back to back top 35 recruits early season to the portal last year and this year (Burnett, Tyson) cus he refused to play them simply because of their rankings, and instead is focused on winning now, which is what any good coach should be doing. Ewing on the other hand was playing Myron Gardner (freshman non top 250) ahead of Blair and eating up better more experienced players minutes. So in summary, I have my doubts that team would have even made the tourney, let alone made some noise there. 

[cgallstar02]

Jan 1, 2022 17:33:53 GMT -5 beenaround said:

It sucks that he abandoned our program. However, I have no doubt this kid has worked extremely hard for this…and I am happy for him. Hope he can stick in the league in some capacity.

A player can only sign two 10-day contracts with a team, so once this one is up, if the Bulls want to keep him they'll have to waive someone. They actually did this with McKinnie last week, he signed two 10 days and they liked him so much they waived Alize Johnson and signed McKinnie for the rest of the season. Still, McKinnie is a local kid who's been in the league for 5 seasons now and he got a chance to show his stuff when all the guys were out with covid. Mac's only chance to play "real" minutes was going to be the first game when he first signed, since they had a ton of guys out then, but the Raptors didn't have the mandatory 8 so the game got postponed and by the time they played again most the Bulls guys were back. If they're going to waive anyone to keep Mac it'd be one of their 2 way guys, Dotson, since he's same age, size, position as McClung... it'd be pointless to keep both of them. Still Dotson's been around since last season and Mac's only chance to upstage him would be in practice, since both guys will only play garbage time. 

Maybe Billy Donovan will be a supporter, Mac has always reminded me in many ways of Jason Williams, and Billy was his coach and mentor in college... I'm sure Billy sees it too, so maybe he'll keep him around in part because of that. Ultimately though, I'd rather see him sign with a lower level non playoff caliber team where he can get an opportunity to play some real minutes at some point. Either way, it's great he's getting a chance to practice with top tier guys like Lavine, Derozan, etc... this after training camp with Lebron, Russ, AD, etc... all these experiences should really help him for next season. 

[guru]

Jan 1, 2022 18:54:52 GMT -5 jpj said:

Mac signed his 2nd 10 day contract with the Bulls. He is now warming up at Capital One for the game against the Wizards.

Nailed to the bench - but dude had the best seat in the house. Hope he savors the view

[rlo24]

Jan 1, 2022 22:22:44 GMT -5 guru said:

Jan 1, 2022 18:54:52 GMT -5 jpj said:

Mac signed his 2nd 10 day contract with the Bulls. He is now warming up at Capital One for the game against the Wizards.

Nailed to the bench - but dude had the best seat in the house. Hope he savors the view

And getting PAID fairly well to do so!

[SSHoya]

Jan 2, 2022 10:03:57 GMT -5 rlo24 said:

Jan 1, 2022 22:22:44 GMT -5 guru said:

Nailed to the bench - but dude had the best seat in the house. Hope he savors the view

And getting PAID fairly well to do so!

NBA 10-day contract salaries are based upon years in the League. Looks like Mac making $106K+ total for his two 10-day contracts.

Years in NBA Salary
0 $53,176
1 $85,578
2 $95,930
3 $99,380
4 $102,831
5 $111,457
6 $120,083
7 $128,709
8 $137,336
9 $138,019
10+ $151,821

www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/12/salaries-for-10-day-contracts-in-2021-22.html

[professorhoya]

Jan 1, 2022 19:44:43 GMT -5 cgallstar02 said:

Jan 1, 2022 18:40:36 GMT -5 professorhoya said:

That team has 3 guys who are in the league now (Yurt7, Jamorko Mac). And Akinjo may join them. Everyone also thought LeBlanc had the most NBA talent but he made a bunch of wrong decisions when he had the keys the kingdom at Georgetown.

If it hadn't been for the transfers due to LeBlanc's poor judgement and had there not been COVID (which ended up cancelling that season anyway), one does have to wonder how far that team could have gone.

I never understood everyone's obsession with LeBlanc and people touting him as having the best chance at an NBA career from that team and the one from the previous season. Granted, I thought he was a good college player, and a very good role player, but he simply never had the offensive ability to be an NBA player... at his size with little to no shooting and ball handling ability, you would have to be an insanely good rebounder and defender to make it to the next level. It was typical of most Hoyatalkers opinions though, as defenders who rarely shoot (LeBlanc, Mosely, Allen) were placed on a pedestal, while offensive players not known for their defense were the whipping boys (Govan, Yurt, Mac). If I had a dollar for every time someone blasted Yurt, Mac, and Pickett's NBA chances on this board I'd be rich. They said Yurt was too soft and slow, Mac too small and can't pass, dribble, or shoot, Pickett too passive and unskilled. Now hoya212, and many others are probably avoiding this thread like the plague!

He looked the part and had NBA level measurables while guys like Mac and Yurt7 didn't.
He had a really good freshman year, so had a good trajectory but then made a bunch of bad personal mistakes and got a big head and thought he was better than he was and didn't need to listen to Coach.

Now he's bounced around alot and I don't think he will ever live up to his potential. His best year was under Coach Ewing in year one. Wasn't good with Will Wade and doesn't appear to be good with UAB. If he had just shut up and listened like JaMorko, he might be on his way to the NBA. He seemed like a good kid but sadly seems like a cautionary tale of what not to do.

Margin of error between being in the NBA and not being in the NBA is so small. Even when you have most of the NBA measurables like JaMorko, it still comes down to listening to coach, staying out of trouble and skills development. The 3 things that JaMorko, Mac and Yurt7 all have are hard work, eyes on the prize, and dedication.

[guru]

Jan 2, 2022 10:03:57 GMT -5 rlo24 said:

Jan 1, 2022 22:22:44 GMT -5 guru said:

Nailed to the bench - but dude had the best seat in the house. Hope he savors the view

And getting PAID fairly well to do so!

Good for him. He has lucked into a couple 10 days during a pandemic. He should save his money for when he’s manning the register at the Gate City Co-op.

[tashoya]

Jan 1, 2022 20:29:31 GMT -5 cgallstar02 said:

Jan 1, 2022 17:33:53 GMT -5 beenaround said:

It sucks that he abandoned our program. However, I have no doubt this kid has worked extremely hard for this…and I am happy for him. Hope he can stick in the league in some capacity.

A player can only sign two 10-day contracts with a team, so once this one is up, if the Bulls want to keep him they'll have to waive someone. They actually did this with McKinnie last week, he signed two 10 days and they liked him so much they waived Alize Johnson and signed McKinnie for the rest of the season. Still, McKinnie is a local kid who's been in the league for 5 seasons now and he got a chance to show his stuff when all the guys were out with covid. Mac's only chance to play "real" minutes was going to be the first game when he first signed, since they had a ton of guys out then, but the Raptors didn't have the mandatory 8 so the game got postponed and by the time they played again most the Bulls guys were back. If they're going to waive anyone to keep Mac it'd be one of their 2 way guys, Dotson, since he's same age, size, position as McClung... it'd be pointless to keep both of them. Still Dotson's been around since last season and Mac's only chance to upstage him would be in practice, since both guys will only play garbage time. 

Maybe Billy Donovan will be a supporter, Mac has always reminded me in many ways of Jason Williams, and Billy was his coach and mentor in college... I'm sure Billy sees it too, so maybe he'll keep him around in part because of that. Ultimately though, I'd rather see him sign with a lower level non playoff caliber team where he can get an opportunity to play some real minutes at some point. Either way, it's great he's getting a chance to practice with top tier guys like Lavine, Derozan, etc... this after training camp with Lebron, Russ, AD, etc... all these experiences should really help him for next season. 

In what ways other than height and skin color?

[cgallstar02]

Jan 3, 2022 15:43:43 GMT -5 tashoya said:

Jan 1, 2022 20:29:31 GMT -5 cgallstar02 said:

A player can only sign two 10-day contracts with a team, so once this one is up, if the Bulls want to keep him they'll have to waive someone. They actually did this with McKinnie last week, he signed two 10 days and they liked him so much they waived Alize Johnson and signed McKinnie for the rest of the season. Still, McKinnie is a local kid who's been in the league for 5 seasons now and he got a chance to show his stuff when all the guys were out with covid. Mac's only chance to play "real" minutes was going to be the first game when he first signed, since they had a ton of guys out then, but the Raptors didn't have the mandatory 8 so the game got postponed and by the time they played again most the Bulls guys were back. If they're going to waive anyone to keep Mac it'd be one of their 2 way guys, Dotson, since he's same age, size, position as McClung... it'd be pointless to keep both of them. Still Dotson's been around since last season and Mac's only chance to upstage him would be in practice, since both guys will only play garbage time. 

Maybe Billy Donovan will be a supporter, Mac has always reminded me in many ways of Jason Williams, and Billy was his coach and mentor in college... I'm sure Billy sees it too, so maybe he'll keep him around in part because of that. Ultimately though, I'd rather see him sign with a lower level non playoff caliber team where he can get an opportunity to play some real minutes at some point. Either way, it's great he's getting a chance to practice with top tier guys like Lavine, Derozan, etc... this after training camp with Lebron, Russ, AD, etc... all these experiences should really help him for next season. 

In what ways other than height and skin color?

Their flair for the game combined with yes, their height and skin color. McClung is by far the most "flashy" white player to come along since J-Will. Do you think their popularity is a coincidence? Williams had the number one selling jersey in the NBA as a rookie and nearly made the all-star game in fan voting despite not having close to all-star numbers. In the YouTube/social media era Williams would've been a star in high school like McClung, but he wasn't exposed to the world till he made it to the NBA. McClung of course was a huge star in high school/college, and like Williams if he's ever able to get consistent minutes and put up decent numbers, will be a much bigger star at the NBA level than he'd probably be deserving of. In other words, Williams was a 12 and 6 guy at the NBA level, if McClung can someday put up similar numbers, he'll be treated (at least for awhile) as an all-star. I mean when he scored his first bucket the other night, the NBA posted it on their official YouTube page (already over half a million views)... you think they do that for every rookie let alone UDFA's?

In terms of playing styles, there are difference and similarities. Williams, even in High School, was a pure point guard. Mac is much more of a scorer. McClung is faster and jumps higher, but Williams was no slouch athletically, and with his incredible ball control I would say is faster with the ball in his hands. Of course McClung will never be the caliber of passer/ball handler Williams was, as Williams was by many NBA legends accounts the greatest ball handler of all time and an incredible passer as well. That said McClung passes and less so dribbles with a similar flair as Williams did and is highly underrated (on this board at least) in both areas. Both are streaky somewhat erratic three point shooters. J-Will was in love with the 3 and would constantly come down full speed with 18 or less on the shot clock and jack a pull up 3 5 or 6 feet behind the line. Thankfully Mac doesn't really do that, though it was fun to see Jason do it when it worked. Mac prefers to go to the hole much more than Jason, and I would say is his one big advantage. Jason was an excellent penetrator... both players have elite off hands... but Jason feared contact... he was not a tough player and rarely took advantage of his driving ability the way someone like AI did, who despite his tiny frame (by NBA standards) would drive relentless to the hole. Mac has that similar toughness/fearlessness as AI and will continually sacrifice his body going to the basket. 

Here's a quote from Mac's AAU coach:

Mines, the Team Loaded coach who also coached current Georgetown freshman Antwan Walker, was impressed with the small-town kid’s game. McClung reminded Mines of Jason Williams, the former NBA point guard from West Virginia.

“The first time I saw him, I saw he had skill, he wasn’t this kid who walked in and started jumping and dunking,” Mines said. “Most kids, they can jump or whatever, but they can’t do both,” Mines continued. “He can do both, and it was fascinating to me to watch him play. He reminds me of Jason Williams — they called him ‘White Chocolate’ — just to watch the flair on the passes, the behind-the-back passes, the no-look passes, just his swag.”

Never mind the fact I've seen the comparison made countless times on other forums (Bulls, Lakers, YouTube, etc.) it's as plain as day. If you can't see it I can only assume you've see very little of J-Will in action, or your blind hatred of Mac simply refuses to allow you to see any good qualities he has that might be similar to current or former NBA players. 

[cgallstar02]

Jan 3, 2022 14:47:19 GMT -5 guru said:

Jan 2, 2022 10:03:57 GMT -5 rlo24 said:

And getting PAID fairly well to do so!

Good for him. He has lucked into a couple 10 days during a pandemic. He should save his money for when he’s manning the register at the Gate City Co-op.

Let the excuses fly! All I heard in high school was how he'd be lucky to be a rotation guy by his junior or senior year at Georgtown... started every game. When he picked Texas Tech, I kept hearing how he can't defend and you have to play defense to play for Beard... started every game, Big East all conference selection and newcomer of the year. Then you have this entire thread littered with posts about how he'll never so much as sniff an NBA roster. Let's see... had the best combine of all 90 players that participated. One of the best combines of all time. Spent training camp with the Lakers and about 5 or 6 future hall of famers. Killed it for 13 games in the G League. Now on his second 10 day with the first place team in the Eastern conference. Already shut down every single thing you guys said he couldn't and wouldn't do. I hope you people are better at your day jobs than you are at this, cus you all have been laughably wrong at every turn. God forbid some of you bitter old men would just admit you were wrong and give the kid some credit. Instead you come up with excuses. Like I said before, if he becomes a rotation guy, you'll just say his numbers suck. If his numbers are decent, you'll say, yea on a bad team, or say well it's not like he's an all star or anything. There'll always be some new excuse. But at the end of the day every single thing you guys said he couldn't or wouldn't do, he did. It's over, you lost, just accept it and move on... the good news is you still have Q to hate on for awhile longer and I'm sure there'll be no shortage of transfers next season for you to direct all your anger and hate towards. 

 

[professorhoya]

Jan 3, 2022 17:29:42 GMT -5 cgallstar02 said:

Jan 3, 2022 14:47:19 GMT -5 guru said:

Good for him. He has lucked into a couple 10 days during a pandemic. He should save his money for when he’s manning the register at the Gate City Co-op.

Let the excuses fly! All I heard in high school was how he'd be lucky to be a rotation guy by his junior or senior year at Georgtown... started every game. When he picked Texas Tech, I kept hearing how he can't defend and you have to play defense to play for Beard... started every game, Big East all conference selection and newcomer of the year. Then you have this entire thread littered with posts about how he'll never so much as sniff an NBA roster. Let's see... had the best combine of all 90 players that participated. One of the best combines of all time. Spent training camp with the Lakers and about 5 or 6 future hall of famers. Killed it for 13 games in the G League. Now on his second 10 day with the first place team in the Eastern conference. Already shut down every single thing you guys said he couldn't and wouldn't do. I hope you people are better at your day jobs than you are at this, cus you all have been laughably wrong at every turn. God forbid some of you bitter old men would just admit you were wrong and give the kid some credit. Instead you come up with excuses. Like I said before, if he becomes a rotation guy, you'll just say his numbers suck. If his numbers are decent, you'll say, yea on a bad team, or say well it's not like he's an all star or anything. There'll always be some new excuse. But at the end of the day every single thing you guys said he couldn't or wouldn't do, he did. It's over, you lost, just accept it and move on... the good news is you still have Q to hate on for awhile longer and I'm sure there'll be no shortage of transfers next season for you to direct all your anger and hate towards. 

 

Excuses. Win Big East Tournament Championship Game. but . . .
Gets 5 star All American. But . . .
Gets 2 guys from the same team into the NBA. But . . .

You should realize by now that if these people have no mercy for the coach or best player who built the program and got us to 3 national Championships in 4 years, that they are going to eat everyone.

[cgallstar02]

Jan 3, 2022 18:16:21 GMT -5 professorhoya said:

Jan 3, 2022 17:29:42 GMT -5 cgallstar02 said:

Let the excuses fly! All I heard in high school was how he'd be lucky to be a rotation guy by his junior or senior year at Georgtown... started every game. When he picked Texas Tech, I kept hearing how he can't defend and you have to play defense to play for Beard... started every game, Big East all conference selection and newcomer of the year. Then you have this entire thread littered with posts about how he'll never so much as sniff an NBA roster. Let's see... had the best combine of all 90 players that participated. One of the best combines of all time. Spent training camp with the Lakers and about 5 or 6 future hall of famers. Killed it for 13 games in the G League. Now on his second 10 day with the first place team in the Eastern conference. Already shut down every single thing you guys said he couldn't and wouldn't do. I hope you people are better at your day jobs than you are at this, cus you all have been laughably wrong at every turn. God forbid some of you bitter old men would just admit you were wrong and give the kid some credit. Instead you come up with excuses. Like I said before, if he becomes a rotation guy, you'll just say his numbers suck. If his numbers are decent, you'll say, yea on a bad team, or say well it's not like he's an all star or anything. There'll always be some new excuse. But at the end of the day every single thing you guys said he couldn't or wouldn't do, he did. It's over, you lost, just accept it and move on... the good news is you still have Q to hate on for awhile longer and I'm sure there'll be no shortage of transfers next season for you to direct all your anger and hate towards. 

 

Excuses. Win Big East Tournament Championship Game. but . . .
Gets 5 star All American. But . . .
Gets 2 guys from the same team into the NBA. But . . .

You should realize by now that if these people have no mercy for the coach or best player who built the program and got us to 3 national Championships in 4 years, that they are going to eat everyone.

He has a career record of 68 and 64, 1 tournament appearance in 5 years which ended with a first round beat down to a mediocre Colorado team. Neither Pickett nor Yurt were drafted. Both players received contracts based off two things... their size combined with their summer league performances. Pickett was always going to be intriguing to NBA teams due to his length combined with the fact he's a decent enough 3 point shooter. Yurt was more of a prospect at NC State than at Georgetown. Generally you can give credit to a coach if his system makes a player look better than he really is. Yurt and Pickett both in fact looked worse than they really were, and NBA teams quickly realized it once they were out of the Georgetown setting. Im not saying he tanked their careers, I mean neither guy was close to a lottery pick or first round lock, but he didn't do them any favors either and certainly isn't the reason they're in the league. If someone like Dante Harris makes the league someday, that would be a case where you could credit Patrick. 

Sports is a performance based business, not just at Georgetown... its far more brutal in the professional world. Guys can take teams to the playoffs year after, then have one or two bad seasons and the fans are booing like crazy and demanding they're fired. Ewing hasn't performed at a high level, there's no getting around it. One tourney appearance in 5 seasons is not good no matter how you wanna spin it. I doubt it's personal with most, they just want to win, and if one guy can't get it done, they'd like to see what another can do.